LOTG 6 slot and Kin 5 slot purchase version.
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Darth_Khasei,
Posted on: 2011-11-26 04:32 in Player Questions
Note that although only the full sets appear in the Black Friday category, individual pieces of the sets are also available, and similarly discounted. So rather than try to find a build that would want to slot the whole set, save yourself some points and only buy the useful pieces.
Yep, seen that -hence thinking might as well buy even more of say 4 of each rather than less of a full set of 5 if I only really want 4.
I bought 5 of the LotG global recharge pieces. They can retain level 50 strength while still working at level 25. You can't buy something like that in the game.
But to answer your question, no. I've never 5-slotted KC or 6-slotted LotG. At best I've 2-3 slotted LotG and 4-slotted KC.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
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Please also note that it is cheaper to buy the whole kinetic set individually, rather than the whole set. |
Originally Posted by Hopeling
Note that although only the full sets appear in the Black Friday category, individual pieces of the sets are also available, and similarly discounted. So rather than try to find a build that would want to slot the whole set, save yourself some points and only buy the useful pieces.
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I don't have the store in front of me, but I looked them over considering the purchase, but decided against it because I wasnt' sure how they would work.
At present, I can get these already without spending any money. So, why the fuss?
Dispari, you mention that the LotG will retain the level 50 strength while at
25. You're referring to the IO strength and the bonuses? Or just the bonuses? I'd thought they would scale down with level. There was no information on how these would work in the store. I wouldn't even know where to look for it. If it is the case that we can get those bonuses from these sets at level 1 (in theory only - in practice, we haven't the slots at level 1 to take full advantage) then it might be worthwhile. In a respec situation, it might be different - but I think if your character is level 50 and opts to get that item, then you'd get that item at level 50 - but, again, there's no documentation from a red name explaining how these things work.
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Ukaserex, I just read your question and am doing an exxperiment in real time, to try to answer your question.|
Originally Posted by Ukaserex
Please also note that it is cheaper to buy the whole kinetic set individually, rather than the whole set.
I don't have the store in front of me, but I looked them over considering the purchase, but decided against it because I wasnt' sure how they would work. At present, I can get these already without spending any money. So, why the fuss? Dispari, you mention that the LotG will retain the level 50 strength while at 25. You're referring to the IO strength and the bonuses? Or just the bonuses? I'd thought they would scale down with level. There was no information on how these would work in the store. I wouldn't even know where to look for it. If it is the case that we can get those bonuses from these sets at level 1 (in theory only - in practice, we haven't the slots at level 1 to take full advantage) then it might be worthwhile. In a respec situation, it might be different - but I think if your character is level 50 and opts to get that item, then you'd get that item at level 50 - but, again, there's no documentation from a red name explaining how these things work. |
I just logged in a level 30 Blaster with no set bonuses. I used two unslotters and unslotted the Kismet and Karma she had there and replaced them with two of the storebought LOTG.
I am about to go to Ouroboris and ex down to 19 or lower. I will come back and tell you if I still have set bonuses.
Be right back.
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Originally Posted by McCharraigin
Ukaserex, I just read your question and am doing an exxperiment in real time, to try to answer your question.
I just logged in a level 30 Blaster with no set bonuses. I used two unslotters and unslotted the Kismet and Karma she had there and replaced them with two of the storebought LOTG. I am about to go to Ouroboris and ex down to 19 or lower. I will come back and tell you if I still have set bonuses. Be right back. Lisa. |
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Ok, I brought out Battlesneeze Jessie, my level 50 Dark/Regen who has not a single LOTG.|
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I slotted two of them in Combat Jump, at level 50, then went down to do a Croatoa arc at level 29. The LOTG bonuses were there
Good deal.
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Originally Posted by Ukaserex
At present, I can get these already without spending any money...
Dispari, you mention that the LotG will retain the level 50 strength while at 25. You're referring to the IO strength and the bonuses? Or just the bonuses? I'd thought they would scale down with level. |
No and no. As Lisa and Z man are saying, normal IOs that you get in game no not "scale down" their set bonus. They retain their set bonus until you are at 5 levels below the actual level of the IO, then *poof* it's gone. (Enhancement bonuses for in-game IOs do scale, I believe.)
Store bought sets keep their bonus all their way down to the minimum level of the set. For LotG, that means the set bonuses for a level 50 LotG are effective all the way down to level 25. Big difference in performance when exemplaring down.
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IOs have different ways of working. Procs function at any level regardless of the level of the IO. So if you put a level 50 damage proc in your attack, it will work even if you exemp to level 1. Some interesting things are considered "procs," including Numina/Miracle/Regen Tissue/Performance Shifter, stealth IOs, and so on.|
Originally Posted by Ukaserex
Dispari, you mention that the LotG will retain the level 50 strength while at 25. You're referring to the IO strength and the bonuses? Or just the bonuses? I'd thought they would scale down with level.
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Set bonuses only apply if you're 3 levels below the IO's level, or higher. So if it's 25, it will function at levels 22-50. But if you go to 21, the set bonuses disappear. This also means you have to find the right balance between set bonuses and enhancement strength. If you slot all 25s they'll be a lot less powerful than if you slot 50s. But you'll be able to keep your set bonuses if you exemp. The LotG global is considered a set bonus, so if you wanted to keep it while exemped it had to be level 25. Which means you get less +DEF in the power itself.
The new LotG in the store which scales by level allows you to have both. The +DEF strength of a level 50 IO which still works down to level 22.
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Originally Posted by gameboy1234
No and no. As Lisa and Z man are saying, normal IOs that you get in game no not "scale down" their set bonus. They retain their set bonus until you are at 5 levels below the actual level of the IO, then *poof* it's gone.
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Originally Posted by gameboy1234
No and no. As Lisa and Z man are saying, normal IOs that you get in game no not "scale down" their set bonus. They retain their set bonus until you are at 5 levels below the actual level of the IO, then *poof* it's gone. (Enhancement bonuses for in-game IOs do scale, I believe.)
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| Store bought sets keep their bonus all their way down to the minimum level of the set. For LotG, that means the set bonuses for a level 50 LotG are effective all the way down to level 25. Big difference in performance when exemplaring down. |
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http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Attuned
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Originally Posted by Dispari
IOs have different ways of working. Procs function at any level regardless of the level of the IO. So if you put a level 50 damage proc in your attack, it will work even if you exemp to level 1.
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| Some interesting things are considered "procs," including Numina/Miracle/Regen Tissue/Performance Shifter, stealth IOs, and so on. |
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| The new LotG in the store which scales by level allows you to have both. The +DEF strength of a level 50 IO which still works down to level 22. |
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The IOs without "Chance to" that work with procs all will mention "for a duration of 120s when used in a click power" in their description.
If no duration, (such as the LotG:Global Recharge) then it's a "Global" IO and works as a set bonus.
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I can't speak to LoTG (though I only discovered today that the sale also means you can get the global recharge proc for 113 points. I bought 8!), but I can say that Kinetic Combat is an important component of any build where you're trying to max out Smashing and Lethal Defense.|
Originally Posted by Kron
Could people recommend powersets/powers that would benefit from slotting either fully?
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(For instance, on my Energy Aura character, I slotted five single-target attack powers with Kinetic Combat + a Nucleolus Exposure Hami-O each. Boom, Smashing/Lethal Cap, or near it, down to level 17. Which means any attack that has a Smashing or Lethal component is only 5% likely to hit. Well, OK, probably not quite at the cap that far down, given that enhancement performance is scaled back when you exemp, but still pretty good. )
Yup done my EAs, shield defence is positional so no point?
WP and Regen wont get that much benefit? Or would it be possible to get them to soft-cap with enough Kinetics and other powers? Same with Res based sets like Fire Armour?
Too many alts, so I'm not doing them all, but I might buy another toon or two set of 5.
About 15 hours left I think...
My thought on these is it is all about the set bonuses not the scaling enhancements. Buy these if you want to keep the set bonuses down to 3 below the min. If the set bonuses are no big deal you are better off using regular one.
For example take the LotG set:
Defense: at level 25 is 19.2 at level 50 is 25.5 so the difference is 6.3%. That seems big but since the defense value you are applying it to is usually small that difference in real terms is probably less then a percent.
Defense/Endurance and Defense/Recharge speed are even worse since the difference between 25 and 50 on those is 3.94%. Granted the endurance portion of Def/End is bigger so it may be worth it for that but for Def/Recharge you are just as good slotting a regular 25 rather then the scaling one.
The best set of these by far to me is the Basilisk's Gaze. At 4 you get Energy/Negative and Ranged defense, 2% recovery, and 7.5 % recharge. Basilisk's Gaze scales from 10-30 so you keep the set bonuses to level 7. The difference between level 10 enhancements and level 30 is much greater then between 25 and 50 due to the way the enhancement values scale. These make a lot of sense to buy the scaling ones.
Kinetic combat is much the same though the only bonus worth it there is the defense at the 4th so if you need that go for it, if not probably not worth it.
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
Note that although only the full sets appear in the Black Friday category, individual pieces of the sets are also available, and similarly discounted. So rather than try to find a build that would want to slot the whole set, save yourself some points and only buy the useful pieces.
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So incredibly annoyed that this wasn't made explicit in the ad and I didn't think to check. *fumes*
I hope they bring them back for xmas.
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To me the main benefit of grabbing the LOTG proc is its value as you level scales up.
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Could people recommend powersets/powers that would benefit from slotting either fully? Or are they basically 4 slot kinetics and and either 1,2 or 4 for LOTG depending on what you wanted?
It look like LOTG would maybe be worth it fully slotted on chars with psi resist holes? And then Kinetics are best on powersets that are typed rather than positional? (I do not know which armours are which and did not find an easy page on wiki)
What should I not slot? The proc in kinetic? Typically the def/recharge in LOTG?
Anybody have experience with purchased sets? What happens if you accidentally drop another IO over a Paragon Market version? Does it magically reappear or have you just deleted it forever?