Praetorian endings?


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I've had a couple of alts go through the Praetorian story line, both went to Primal Earth with the story line of my alt trying to stop Cole's Invasion to Primal Earth.

Is there a way I can have an ending where I am supporting Cole's invasion of Primal Earth?

Thanks.


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Not possible.

It doesn't matter which you choose of the four alignments, you get railroaded into wanting to stop Cole's invasion no matter what. Still one of the worst parts of Going Rogue IMHO and the reason I don't bother rolling alts in Praetoria anymore.

If there was ever an option to support him as a Loyalist, I'd be all over it in a heartbeat.


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I have a feeling that if we ever get level 30-50 content in Praetoria, that we'll be able to have characters that are trying to invade Primal earth.


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That's a shame

I like being on the 'evil' side. Just didn't feel right supporting Cole the whole way to 20, then suddenly going, "No, don't build a massive army of destruction."

And the whole time I'm thinking is, 'How can I be recruited for the invasion?'


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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn View Post
I have a feeling that if we ever get level 30-50 content in Praetoria, that we'll be able to have characters that are trying to invade Primal earth.
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yeah, you always end up siding against Cole because they write it as, no matter what your character, genocide of Primal Earth and all the horrible efforts that have gone into it are above a choice.

Mostly because the iTrials are all about everyone siding with the resistance and taking down Cole. Which is also kind of screwed up because of all the extremist terrorist activities Primal Earth is basically condoning.

I will say it's *extremely* unnerving talking to Cole when a loyalist character chooses Paragon city.


 

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I agree..it is sad we cant stay Loyalist. I have taken about 6 toons through Praetoria, and if the option was there, I would so support Cole. It is even worse in the First Ward. Granted, I love the zone and arcs there, but they are ALL written from the point of someone trying to help the resistance and the people there.
There is not option to join/help dust, side with mother mayhem, dob katie into the ppd, nothing.


 

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I agree. The first toon I ran through Praetoria was a Loyalist but joined the Resistance on the last mission so I was, technically, against Cole but this new toon I'm running through has a backstory of being an "undercover agent for Cole." But it sucks I can't stay true to him, even in Paragon... Come to think of it, my backstory does say I'm infiltrating the Freedom Phalanx to learn Statesman's secrets for Cole so, in a sense, it kinda works... >.>...


 

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I agree. The first toon I ran through Praetoria was a Loyalist but joined the Resistance on the last mission so I was, technically, against Cole but this new toon I'm running through has a backstory of being an "undercover agent for Cole." But it sucks I can't stay true to him, even in Paragon... Come to think of it, my backstory does say I'm infiltrating the Freedom Phalanx to learn Statesman's secrets for Cole so, in a sense, it kinda works... >.>...
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Wasn't the ability to be a Loyalist thrown in last minute just to appease people who wanted to be bad, anyway? I remember talk that back in GR Beta everyone was gonna be Resistance, no matter what you're backstory.

That said, I wouldn't mind if they ever came out with some more strictly Loyalist content. But that'd mean that the Praetorian war would never reach a conclusion without the devs having to, in some way, tell the Loyalists or the Primals their side lost the conflict and will face the consequences of it. It's a lot easier to pull off with heroes vs. villains 'cause good vs. evil is a fight that will never end. But war is different.


 

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Well as it is set up now, Loyalists only go to 20, period.

Then again, Resistance sort of ends at 20 too because you can't call First Ward a Resistance story either. First Ward is an extension of the Praetorian storyline but it really sums up and caps off as "both sides are pretty evil and managed by jerks".


 

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Originally Posted by Zyal View Post
I've had a couple of alts go through the Praetorian story line, both went to Primal Earth with the story line of my alt trying to stop Cole's Invasion to Primal Earth.

Is there a way I can have an ending where I am supporting Cole's invasion of Primal Earth?

Thanks.
Technically, the Villain ending for Loyalists gives you this option:

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Go to the Rogue Isles. Become a Villain. Why would you want to go to help the people of Primal Earth when all they've shown is disdain and hatred towards Praetoria? If you go to the Rogue Isles, you can carve out your own destiny, your own path for power, for glory, for whatever you want. When the time comes that Cole invades, you'll either join alongside him, or fight him off using your new found power.
Its just that the rest of the storylines forget they gave you this (or indeed, any) choice.


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Well as it is set up now, Loyalists only go to 20, period.

Then again, Resistance sort of ends at 20 too because you can't call First Ward a Resistance story either. First Ward is an extension of the Praetorian storyline but it really sums up and caps off as "both sides are pretty evil and managed by jerks".
When does the First Ward storyline end, actually? My first-ever Praetorian character is level 26 and has finished Vanessa DeVore's story arc. I did not get a new contact from Vanessa after completing the arc, so it seems like I am done with FW content; but that arc didn't exactly feel like The Big Finish to all the FW content, so I wonder if there is more to come and I just have not found it.
Before calling Marchand and making my departure to Primal Earth I would like to be sure that I am not missing out on more First Ward content. (I have already done my diligence and searched both these fora and paragonwiki for an answer to this, but did not find anything.)


 

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Vanessa DeVore is the last in the First Ward contact line. It is a total anti-climax. I suspect we'll get more Praetorian content, maybe even enough to run a Praetorian from 1-50 without leaving Praetoria.


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What if the big twist to the Who Will Die arc turns into Statesman dying and Tyrant fleeing Praetoria and taking Statesman's spot?

Lets say the final trial reveals that the Praetorian Hamidon has really been controlling Cole since the cease-fire between Praetoria and Hamidon. I know that is different from the ending of the UG, but doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened and the end of UG is half true, but half misdirection.

Lets say the final trial releases Tyrant from control of the Hamidon and he flees Praetoria just before Hamidon starts taking it out. Lets say that's right after Statesman dies. Maybe he'll stand up and take his place, in an attempt to redeem himself.

Another possibility is maybe Hami isn't controlling, but maybe their minds were switched...by Mother Mayhem or something. Maybe the twist could be them getting him out of the Hamidon body and putting him into the Statesman body instead.

I dunno. Maybe too far fetched. But could make for some interesting stories.

Or maybe it would be just too difficult to get a third faction into the game that is against heroes and villains and get all the content setup for that.


 

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What if the big twist to the Who Will Die arc turns into Statesman dying and Tyrant fleeing Praetoria and taking Statesman's spot?

Lets say the final trial reveals that the Praetorian Hamidon has really been controlling Cole since the cease-fire between Praetoria and Hamidon. I know that is different from the ending of the UG, but doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened and the end of UG is half true, but half misdirection.

Lets say the final trial releases Tyrant from control of the Hamidon and he flees Praetoria just before Hamidon starts taking it out. Lets say that's right after Statesman dies. Maybe he'll stand up and take his place, in an attempt to redeem himself.

Another possibility is maybe Hami isn't controlling, but maybe their minds were switched...by Mother Mayhem or something. Maybe the twist could be them getting him out of the Hamidon body and putting him into the Statesman body instead.
That pretty much contradicts what we've already been told about Tyrant and Hamidon's relationship, but the writers are not shy about retcons, so you never know. I do sort of like the idea of Tyrant stepping into Statesman's shoes, if only because I have a character who I still sort of treat as a Loyalist, playing villainside, and while I don't RP, it's amusing to think of things from my characters' worldviews.

That said, I don't particularly see it happening. The storyline has come too far not to have a big final showdown with Tyrant, but it's not far enough that that's likely to happen before the final SSA. Furthermore, the whole story has been painted way too black and white. Setting Tyrant in as a major hero...I don't see it. If he's ever redeemed, it'll be a death-by-redemption sort of thing once the Coming Storm shows up.