The 8000pp question


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Okay, so I didn't play for more than 6 years, and now I'm back, on a Mac, and I have small children, so I play mostly solo. I probably won't be able to do task forces or long story arcs anymore. But it's still a fun game.

When my time card runs out, I'll be at 16 reward tokens, and in the middle of tier 6. If I get 11 more tokens (about $100-$110 over the next year or so), I'll have a permanent invention system license. I have a level 50 character, a 41, two in the 30s, and some lowbies. So the question is: what would you spend 8000 paragon points on, with an invention license at the end of the rainbow, in order to get the most fun out of the game? I was thinking something like:

1000 Warshade HEAT alt
1000 Crab Spider VEAT alt
1600 Character Slots +5
1600 Character Slots +5
1600 Enhancement slot space +10
1200 Alignment system

I have 800 to spend right now from my time card. Time manipulation? Street Justice? Kinetic Melee? What do you think? Most bang for the buck!

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I'm going to stop being a VIP at the end of this time card. I'll just be a premium player, with the goal of getting an inventions license.


 

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If you're planning on going back to Premium (and that's what it sounds like from your post), Time Manipulation is on sale for 400 PP this week.

I'm a huge fan of Street Justice, as ShadowMoka pointed out.

But if you want Kinetic Melee, try to find a box copy of Going Rogue: Complete Collection... that'll get you Kinetic Melee, Electric Control, Demon Summoning and Dual Pistols, PLUS the Alignment System, the ability to start as a Praetorian, a ton of new costume options -AND- a month of VIP time. (Just make sure to use the code from the box to upgrade your account, rather than creating a new one.)



By the way... that link I posted to Amazon? Going Rogue: Complete Collection is selling for $10.99.


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It doesn't say so on the Paragon Wiki, but in the Paragon Market, it says you can unlock a Warshade for 1000 points. I'm assuming that's to play it as a premium player.


 

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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man View Post
...try to find a box copy of Going Rogue: Complete Collection
Nice suggestion. Thank you! And that might get me a reward token or two(?)


 

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Originally Posted by Maudy View Post
Nice suggestion. Thank you! And that might get me a reward token or two(?)
Well, AFAIK, you'd get the 1 reward token for the month of VIP, but I don't think you'd get tokens for the purchase itself, as it's buying the Paragon Points that gets you tokens (you could just buy 8000 PP and do nothing with them and you'd get the tokens)


 

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For the scary price of $100, of course.
Well yes, just sitting on the points for the sake of the reward tokens would be foolish, which is why the OP wants to know what items he'd get the most money's worth out of. But the point I was making is that purchasing a copy of Going Rogue will get you some stuff for free, but it won't count toward reward tokens (other than the free month of VIP, since you get a "free" token for each month of VIP).


 

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Anything that you buy from the market you keep regardless of account status, so you'll never lose anything you've purchased.

If you're into costumes, the bundles are all pretty good and the powersets, obviously. You might also want to look at the SSAs if you want to be able to use them for getting hero/villain merits.


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I found trying to solo a Warshade to be extremely difficult, especially during the low levels. I had an easier time I soloing a pre-Containment Controller and if it wasn't for that life experience, I would not have hesitated to delete my Warshade. The only reason I didn't was because of all the anniversary badges it had (it was shelved and reshelved many times) and the thought of having to re-level a new one. I didn't feel up to task until I made tough decisions on my build and future play style so that I could concentrate slot allocations.

However, playing a Warshade on a team wasn't so bad. Now, I don't really know how much of it was due to the team buffs I got (Kheldian Inherent) or just the team taking on most of the load. I didn't team a lot with my Warshade until the 30s, which was after I had made my build decisions and was really looking for some indirect powerleveling (I had sunk low) to get more slots.

Anyway, I just wanted to caution you on your expectations since you said you plan to primarily play solo.


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Originally Posted by Twilightdusk View Post
Well, AFAIK, you'd get the 1 reward token for the month of VIP, but I don't think you'd get tokens for the purchase itself, as it's buying the Paragon Points that gets you tokens (you could just buy 8000 PP and do nothing with them and you'd get the tokens)
For retail boxes, you can apply multiple box codes to increase your VIP time (1 month for every different version, IIRC), but you can only every get one reward token from any box purchase. So, for example, if you bought CoH: Architect Edition and CoH: Going Rogue, you'd get two months of VIP time but only one reward token.


 

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Originally Posted by Maudy View Post
If I get 11 more tokens (about $100-$110 over the next year or so),
May I suggest that, if you really are planning to spend $100, spend it all in one shot. That will get you 9600 points instead of 8000 - i.e. 8 Paragon Reward tokens, instead of 6. The tokens are based on how many points you get, rather than dollars spent, and the bonus points count toward the total.


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Originally Posted by Ironblade View Post
May I suggest that, if you really are planning to spend $100, spend it all in one shot. That will get you 9600 points instead of 8000 - i.e. 8 Paragon Reward tokens, instead of 6. The tokens are based on how many points you get, rather than dollars spent, and the bonus points count toward the total.
I thought the first 400 points nets a token, and every 800 points after that. I may have already gotten the first token when I bought a time card.

I was originally planning on doing $100 over the course of a year, which is less than $10 a month. I'll think about if I can do it all at once.


 

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Originally Posted by Maudy View Post
I thought the first 400 points nets a token, and every 800 points after that. I may have already gotten the first token when I bought a time card.

I was originally planning on doing $100 over the course of a year, which is less than $10 a month. I'll think about if I can do it all at once.
The first time you make a purchase, you get a token (so even the smallest purchase will get you to reward rank 2)

independent of that, every 1200 points earned will get you 1 reward token, and every month of VIP will get you 1 reward token.

so 11 tokens will require 13200 paragon points purchased (counting bonus points from bulk purchases)


 

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I found trying to solo a Warshade to be extremely difficult, especially during the low levels.
. . .
Anyway, I just wanted to caution you on your expectations since you said you plan to primarily play solo.
This was an interesting reflection. I'm kind of a sucker for a challenge, I'm good with /bind and /macro, I have a nice USB controller to handle flight combat in Nova form, and this is actually the alt I identify with the most, and the one I was most looking forward to playing when I saw CoX was available on the Mac and didn't cost as much to play anymore. Back in 2005, getting my defender to level 50, mostly solo, took forever. With debt and no patrolling, XP came less than half as fast as it does now. I felt like my warshade was a huge reward for all my suffering, and it was an interesting variation in play style. I designed it after my main, and I felt like it was an extension of that character.

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so 11 tokens will require 13200 paragon points purchased (counting bonus points from bulk purchases)
Oof. Rethinking strategy. Maybe I will just go the minimal route, unlock 5 characters, and pay for an inventions license every now and then.


 

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Originally Posted by Maudy View Post
Oof. Rethinking strategy. Maybe I will just go the minimal route, unlock 5 characters, and pay for an inventions license every now and then.
There are some ways to snag VIP months for cheap, you know. (See link in my signature.) Use some of those, push back the decision, and get tokens at the same time.

And I thought that you get 1 token per paid month, no matter how you get that month. Any box set purchase ought to count, at least as far as the month you get from it goes.


 

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And I thought that you get 1 token per paid month, no matter how you get that month. Any box set purchase ought to count, at least as far as the month you get from it goes.
It does, but if that one month costs more than $15 (the cost of one VIP month if I recall), then it's not cost-effective if your goal is tokens.


 

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Originally Posted by Maudy View Post
Oof. Rethinking strategy. Maybe I will just go the minimal route, unlock 5 characters, and pay for an inventions license every now and then.
If you can raise $100 to spend all at once, then you might wait until the end of Dec and see if they offer the subscription deals they have for the last 2 years around Christmas. You could get an 8-month subscription (which would net 8 tokens) for around $75, IIRC.

Look for box sets that are cheap enough to fit into your budget (like the GR package mentioned earlier in this thread), just make sure they are new. If you can stay subscribed for another year, that will give you your tokens and alot of free PP to use to unlock whatever else you may want as a Premium.


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It does, but if that one month costs more than $15 (the cost of one VIP month if I recall), then it's not cost-effective if your goal is tokens.
Well sure. But my guide is full of ways to get months that cost less than $15 per month.


 

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Originally Posted by ShadowMoka View Post
Ahh. I'm not sure if you're able to play the EATs or anything with Time/Kin if you're not VIP >.<. Even if you purchase it. I could be wrong though.
If you purchased it, you keep it. That's kinda the point of purchasing it. If you're a VIP, you don't have to purchase it.




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Originally Posted by Ironblade View Post
May I suggest that, if you really are planning to spend $100, spend it all in one shot. That will get you 9600 points instead of 8000 - i.e. 8 Paragon Reward tokens, instead of 6. The tokens are based on how many points you get, rather than dollars spent, and the bonus points count toward the total.
This

Also, I would definitely pick up Time Manipulation while it's on sale. It's so much fun, and incredibly strong.


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Originally Posted by Maudy View Post
It doesn't say so on the Paragon Wiki, ...
On the contrary:

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Warshade (and the other EAT pages)
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* Warshades require VIP status or purchase on the Paragon Market.
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Archetypes
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The following two premium "Hero Epic Archetypes" (HEAT) are available for VIP Players and Premium Players who have purchased them from the Paragon Market, assuming the account has at least one hero above level 20:

* Peacebringer
* Warshade

The following two premium "Villain Epic Archetypes" (VEAT) are available for VIP Players and Premium Players who have purchased them from the Paragon Market, assuming the account has at least one villain above level 20:

* Arachnos Soldier
* Arachnos Widow
I just added it to the market article.


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