Lol PvP balance.
One, don't go into Siren's Call for starters.
Two, why don't just get rid of stalkers completely? (AH HA! Sarcasm)
Three, remember the days of a real assassin strike? Oh yeah..
Not a ranged toon you say? Then why does spine and kinetic have 'ranged' powers built in like focused burst and that spine throwy thingy or focus on claws?
Point being, stalkers are meant to do damage. If I recall correctly, we gave up 'hit points' for damage, 'crits' is just the name of the game. Do you want to nerf every other power that 'crits' as well? Shall we just get rid of stalkers/scrappers completely? As you swoosh away on your range toon, do you want me to just sit there and smile as you take cheap shots? Or get an AS off so you can cry about that being 'overpowered' as well?
If you keep nerfing stalkers I'm just going to cry, and we don't want that now do we? 
"I'M THE TARGET! I'M THE TARGET! THE STALKER HAS SHARKS! AP...AP!!"
@Sepultura
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@Sepultura
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Lol are you defending Spirit Shark, one of the most horridly broken powers in the game? (and there are a lot of broken powers so that is actually saying something.)
Oh like Stalagmites? Or perhaps the LOL five million psi blasters during team matches? Or perhaps TK? Or perhaps the two-shot hit that a Concentrated Strike on a Scrapper can do... Yep, Spirit Sharks is that ONE power I would really worry about folks.
Stop nerfing and learn how to push a button (heal preferred) or stay out of the zone or El Oh El Evade, OR say something about 'said' stalker's mother, either of these options are fine.
Besides, I just love my stalkers too much, I hope love isn't a crime..
"I'M THE TARGET! I'M THE TARGET! THE STALKER HAS SHARKS! AP...AP!!"
@Sepultura
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@Sepultura
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The thing I don't like about Sharks is they make ASing less important, since AS is pretty bad now. If they gave you a better incentive to AS, like maybe a little bit higher damage to the point where getting AS'd is a big deal, that would be ideal. At this point, ASing in a casual zone scenario carries a lot more risk than sharking, since you have to be melee range, have to stand still and not interrupt, etc. In zone, it's often more beneficial to just shark, placate, shark, and so on, although ASing is more satisfying.
If they nerf Sharks, they need to buff AS. That's not to say that Sharks aren't somewhat broken, but if you nerf the hell out of Sharks, Stalkers will be a lot worse off since AS isn't nearly as good as it used to be, that is unless it gets buffed at the same time.
@TheKatalyst
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lol let's compare 'impale' and 'focused burst' to 'sharks' |
Originally Posted by Crusherina
One, don't go into Siren's Call for starters.
Two, why don't just get rid of stalkers completely? (AH HA! Sarcasm) Three, remember the days of a real assassin strike? Oh yeah.. Not a ranged toon you say? Then why does spine and kinetic have 'ranged' powers built in like focused burst and that spine throwy thingy or focus on claws? Point being, stalkers are meant to do damage. If I recall correctly, we gave up 'hit points' for damage, 'crits' is just the name of the game. Do you want to nerf every other power that 'crits' as well? Shall we just get rid of stalkers/scrappers completely? As you swoosh away on your range toon, do you want me to just sit there and smile as you take cheap shots? Or get an AS off so you can cry about that being 'overpowered' as well? If you keep nerfing stalkers I'm just going to cry, and we don't want that now do we? |
Sharks Impale FocusedB
Dmg: 362 136 101
Rech: 6s 8s 8s
Cast: 2.43 3 2s
Once you IO all of those powers the dmg difference is much larger.
Before I get into the real techical jargon i'll just say the proposal is to simply switch the placement placement in the pool set. Tanks for instance don't get fossilize at this level for a reason.
The "Nerf Nerf Nerf" is more of an attention grabber. At 50 they are annoying as hell but once you slot and get accolades you can brush them off but at level 30 there is no chance in hell.
The other thing is if you nerf Sharks, Stalkers will just use Blaze mastery instead, which actually does better DPS then Sharks anyways, it's just missing the burst damage of Sharks.
Stalker ranged should be slightly nerfed in general, but only if AS is buffed in return to make up for the lost damage from those nerfs.
@TheKatalyst
My **** is bleeding.
I did not say Sharks was not a hard hitter. I was stating the fact that there are 'ranged' powers amongst the stalker set. I mean honestly, if I can't get an AS off of a ranged toon of course I'm going to fling some sharks at it. That's like saying I couldn't 'use' my energy melee on my ice/em in 1v1's because as a blaster she 'should' be a ranged toon. (Yes I know, ice is horribad) It's the same concept, I will adjust to my surroundings and will fling/strike if needed/can.
And I know for a fact that as a 'ranger' you would never get 'close' to me to begin with knowing that I do have the power of the placate and with travel suppression to move onto you fast for an AS. So common sense, fling sharks.
Shark Fling<- Instead of a nerf, it needs a rename.
"I'M THE TARGET! I'M THE TARGET! THE STALKER HAS SHARKS! AP...AP!!"
@Sepultura
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@Sepultura
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Once again I don't care what happens to the powers itself or its usage. Just move it down a few powers so it is NOT available at level 30.
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Originally Posted by Crusherina
I did not say Sharks was not a hard hitter. I was stating the fact that there are 'ranged' powers amongst the stalker set. I mean honestly, if I can't get an AS off of a ranged toon of course I'm going to fling some sharks at it. That's like saying I couldn't 'use' my energy melee on my ice/em in 1v1's because as a blaster she 'should' be a ranged toon. (Yes I know, ice is horribad) It's the same concept, I will adjust to my surroundings and will fling/strike if needed/can.
And I know for a fact that as a 'ranger' you would never get 'close' to me to begin with knowing that I do have the power of the placate and with travel suppression to move onto you fast for an AS. So common sense, fling sharks. Shark Fling<- Instead of a nerf, it needs a rename. |
I stopped reading after the OP was using caps for emphasis on the wrong words.
@Psycho Jas
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Or leave as is since as you said, it can be easily 'brushed off' at a higher level pvp zone. As I see it, you basically want this 'nerf' to fit your special needs. If you can't handle stalkers in Siren's move on to 'Burg or Victory. Or you can even tell the stalkers to move, but you can't please everyone eh?|
Originally Posted by AresSupreme
Once again I don't care what happens to the powers itself or its usage. Just move it down a few powers so it is NOT available at level 30.
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I just don't believe in punishing an AT for something it SHOULD do, which is to 'assassinate' using the tools it has at hand. If it takes more than five hits or attack chains on a stalker to kill something, I would feel highly ashamed of myself.
"I'M THE TARGET! I'M THE TARGET! THE STALKER HAS SHARKS! AP...AP!!"
@Sepultura
'You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.'
@Sepultura
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Do you play siren's call? A yes or no answer will do.|
Originally Posted by Crusherina
Or leave as is since as you said, it can be easily 'brushed off' at a higher level pvp zone. As I see it, you basically want this 'nerf' to fit your special needs. If you can't handle stalkers in Siren's move on to 'Burg or Victory. Or you can even tell the stalkers to move, but you can't please everyone eh?
I just don't believe in punishing an AT for something it SHOULD do, which is to 'assassinate' using the tools it has at hand. If it takes more than five hits or attack chains on a stalker to kill something, I would feel highly ashamed of myself. |
In siren's call it takes two hits in a stalkers attack chain. Remember we aren't talking level 50 PVP
Yes, I 'used' to play in Siren's call three years ago when brutes actually had a chance. Yes, I used to play when a stalker could 'one hit' just about every blasted thing in the zone, IN Siren's Call nonetheless.
What? Do the sharks give you bad memories? Are you scared of the 'water' in the zone?
Sir, you cannot say that you do not care about the use/damage/power itself if you are sitting here wanting the power rearrangement. Either adapt to the sharks/stalkers or pick up your head in pride and try another zone where you would 'have a better chance(?).'
Can we just take out everything in the game that does more than 30 damage? Oh better yet, let me put on my safety harness and helmet, I don't want to hurt myself 'super jumping'.
There are going to be 'over-powered' functions in this game, but guess what, not everything can be equal. Each AT needs a specialty our there might as not be a choice in ATs if they are going to do the same damage/buff/debuff in the end.
And with that,
-FLING FLING FLING FLING-
"I'M THE TARGET! I'M THE TARGET! THE STALKER HAS SHARKS! AP...AP!!"
@Sepultura
'You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.'
@Sepultura
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Oh sweet my request to have my forum handle changed went through.
@TheKatalyst
My **** is bleeding.
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Oh sweet dude! I'd give you a high five, but I might miss and the trajectory might blow your head off with my over-powered stalker hands.
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Originally Posted by The Katalyst
Oh sweet my request to have my forum handle changed went through.
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"I'M THE TARGET! I'M THE TARGET! THE STALKER HAS SHARKS! AP...AP!!"
@Sepultura
'You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.'
@Sepultura
'You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.'
You have like ten minutes before it actually hits you.
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There's a huge difference between an interruptible melee attack (Assassin's Strike) nearly doing one-shot damage, and an 80-foot-base ranged attack from hide nearly doing one-shot damage.|
Originally Posted by Crusherina
Yes, I 'used' to play in Siren's call three years ago when brutes actually had a chance. Yes, I used to play when a stalker could 'one hit' just about every blasted thing in the zone, IN Siren's Call nonetheless.
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AS doing a lot of damage isn't a big deal because you either have to be good at ASing a moving target or the target has to be dumb and stand still for a long enough period for you to get in position (or be mezzed, but that's another story entirely). Sharks doing that much damage is a big deal because you can't even see who's attacking you before they attack. Sharks doing that much damage is silly even at level 50 but it's downright dumb at lower levels. I think the point here is Stalkers should have the ability to pump out lots of damage, but that means AS should be their main source of damage instead of Sharks. A single AS needs to pose a threat instead of being the joke it is now.
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lol you're still defending sharks. The reason you choose is because there are other broken powers in the game? Yep, there sure are, and they are part of the problem too. Nonetheless, sharks are OP and are on the very long list of things that should be balanced.
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So in other words you DO NOT play in Siren's Call. A simple no would have done it.|
Originally Posted by Crusherina
Yes, I 'used' to play in Siren's call three years ago when brutes actually had a chance. Yes, I used to play when a stalker could 'one hit' just about every blasted thing in the zone, IN Siren's Call nonetheless.
What? Do the sharks give you bad memories? Are you scared of the 'water' in the zone? Sir, you cannot say that you do not care about the use/damage/power itself if you are sitting here wanting the power rearrangement. Either adapt to the sharks/stalkers or pick up your head in pride and try another zone where you would 'have a better chance(?).' Can we just take out everything in the game that does more than 30 damage? Oh better yet, let me put on my safety harness and helmet, I don't want to hurt myself 'super jumping'. There are going to be 'over-powered' functions in this game, but guess what, not everything can be equal. Each AT needs a specialty our there might as not be a choice in ATs if they are going to do the same damage/buff/debuff in the end. And with that, -FLING FLING FLING FLING- |
This is for all the SC players who will almost unanimously agree spirit sharks has no place in level 30 PVP. This has NOTHING to do with pride...don't be silly.
Stalkers can't one hit things anymore because the mechanic was broken and has since been fixed.
How will a change of the power placement hurt you? It won't. So leave this argument to players who this actually effect.
The irony of all of this is the PVP community as a whole is the underdog. Don't pretend like any other aspect of PVP matters more. Just because the more organized players who specialize in team PVP come to the forums more it doesn't represent the community as whole. Go ahead and troll the thread with crap that doesn't have anything to do with the topic.
Same song and dance. Siren's Call players have an issue with spirit sharks. Couple players who have nothing to do with the subject troll the thread. Go figure. Other players who have nothing to do with the issue put their two cents in and tell you to "get over it" "go to another zone" as if these are viable solutions. If we just "get over" everything. It just says this game is perfect and always has been and nothing ever needs to be fixed. please...
As for the 10 seconds to react. Yeah factor in TS and open zone gameplay. We aren't talking about you having a concentrated stalker target in a 1 v 1 situation. Let's be realistic people.
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Originally Posted by The Katalyst
Oh sweet my request to have my forum handle changed went through.
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Sorry, no sale.
Not that I completely disagree, mind you. But, as others have noted, there
are a metric crapton of powers that are "unbalanced", and Sharks would be
one of them on the list.
As a stalker myself, there are two primary concerns I have.
AS - won't kill anybody by itself... I'm actually ok with that.
However, with nearly everyone being a SJ/SS bunny-hopping, super speeder,
AS is challenging to get off in the first place, given it's a melee power, long
activating, and interruptible with movement, all against a foe that can probably
see you at melee range to begin with....
It's hardly surprising that many stalkers simply don't get good enough to use AS
all that much to begin with in PvP.
But the second part, with Stalkers being melee based, is said Bunny Hopper is
gonna be long gone for the follow-up strike even if an AS is landed.
So, even with AS, a ranged follow-up is a key ingredient for a stalker to get a
kill at all against anyone other than a complete moron.
I'm not a fan at all of Sharks being the *only* tool a (bad) stalker uses, but a hard
hitting ranged power is important for a stalker given the current climate.
So, nope - /unsigned
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Originally Posted by FourSpeed
Sorry, no sale.
Not that I completely disagree, mind you. But, as others have noted, there are a metric crapton of powers that are "unbalanced", and Sharks would be one of them on the list. As a stalker myself, there are two primary concerns I have. AS - won't kill anybody by itself... I'm actually ok with that. However, with nearly everyone being a SJ/SS bunny-hopping, super speeder, AS is challenging to get off in the first place, given it's a melee power, long activating, and interruptible with movement, all against a foe that can probably see you at melee range to begin with.... It's hardly surprising that many stalkers simply don't get good enough to use AS all that much to begin with in PvP. But the second part, with Stalkers being melee based, is said Bunny Hopper is gonna be long gone for the follow-up strike even if an AS is landed. So, even with AS, a ranged follow-up is a key ingredient for a stalker to get a kill at all against anyone other than a complete moron. I'm not a fan at all of Sharks being the *only* tool a (bad) stalker uses, but a hard hitting ranged power is important for a stalker given the current climate. So, nope - /unsigned Regards, 4 PS> And yes, Ares - I *do* play in SC, pretty much exclusively, as you probably already know |
In SC you'd be an idiot to ever use AS at this point.
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I can see why Sharks would be a bigger deal in Sirens, as everything generally has lower HP, much lower resistance, and just lower survivability in general, especially taking things like Incarnates into consideration, as well as the fact that some people don't take phase or Hib at Siren's level.|
Originally Posted by FourSpeed
Sorry, no sale.
Not that I completely disagree, mind you. But, as others have noted, there are a metric crapton of powers that are "unbalanced", and Sharks would be one of them on the list. As a stalker myself, there are two primary concerns I have. AS - won't kill anybody by itself... I'm actually ok with that. However, with nearly everyone being a SJ/SS bunny-hopping, super speeder, AS is challenging to get off in the first place, given it's a melee power, long activating, and interruptible with movement, all against a foe that can probably see you at melee range to begin with.... It's hardly surprising that many stalkers simply don't get good enough to use AS all that much to begin with in PvP. But the second part, with Stalkers being melee based, is said Bunny Hopper is gonna be long gone for the follow-up strike even if an AS is landed. So, even with AS, a ranged follow-up is a key ingredient for a stalker to get a kill at all against anyone other than a complete moron. I'm not a fan at all of Sharks being the *only* tool a (bad) stalker uses, but a hard hitting ranged power is important for a stalker given the current climate. So, nope - /unsigned Regards, 4 PS> And yes, Ares - I *do* play in SC, pretty much exclusively, as you probably already know |
That said, this would be pretty low on my priority list of fixes I would like to see done to PvP.
@TheKatalyst
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of course it's low you probably don't even know where sirens is let alone play there lol.|
Originally Posted by The Katalyst
I can see why Sharks would be a bigger deal in Sirens, as everything generally has lower HP, much lower resistance, and just lower survivability in general, especially taking things like Incarnates into consideration, as well as the fact that some people don't take phase or Hib at Siren's level.
That said, this would be pretty low on my priority list of fixes I would like to see done to PvP. |
But it's def not my #1 it's just the most recent. It is also an extremely easy fix.
NERF NERF NERF NERF!!!!!!!!!
-No squishy has enough HP at this level to withstand spirit sharks
-Epic shields for all ATs besides fenders and corrs ARE not available at this level
-Even at roughly 900HP the friggin things still two shot
-A stalker IS NOT a ranged toon in case you forgot
-Overpowered at level 50, EXTREMELY BROKEN at lvl 30
*Consider switching the placement of Spirit Shark with Spirit Shark Jaws in the Leviathan Pool*