Lemkin got nerfed. (SSA 1.1)
By
Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2011-10-11 16:59 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
He was giving Archvillain rewards for EB stats. That was broken.
And I'm not saying broken in a metaphorical sense. I believe that was a bug that they let stay in place for awhile.
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Which is fair enough, but 200-500 XP difference between boss and Elite boss doesn't seem right to me.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
He was giving Archvillain rewards for EB stats. That was broken.
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Don't forget that he can be defeated by using Hover or any other flying power...
I like to watch him burn in the lava 
Easy pickins'! 
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Use a hoverboard, and then go and tell everyone that you beat an EB with all your powers suppressed |
Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Don't forget that he can be defeated by using Hover or any other flying power...
I like to watch him burn in the lava Easy pickins'! |
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I always fight him one on one. Well, one on two, seeing as he has that little Pumicite or Lost friend with him.|
Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Don't forget that he can be defeated by using Hover or any other flying power...
I like to watch him burn in the lava Easy pickins'! |
No honour the other way. :/
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Originally Posted by Zortel
I always fight him one on one. Well, one on two, seeing as he has that little Pumicite or Lost friend with him.
No honour the other way. :/ |
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The EB/Boss rewards value has always been highly skewed. EBs have never been worth their rewards compared to their difficulty.|
Originally Posted by Zortel
Which is fair enough, but 200-500 XP difference between boss and Elite boss doesn't seem right to me.
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Lemkin was brought in line, that's all.
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It's not quite as easy as it used to be ... he finally realizes he has the Synapse Lighting Blast power & uses it as soon as it recharges if he can't reach you.
Also, it feels like they've tweaked his AI to not run willy-nilly into the lava quite as much any more ... but that may be just me.
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Hmm, well I ran the SSA part 1 today and just watched him burn. He did shoot the ranged lightning blast attack once...maybe twice before he died.|
Originally Posted by Reverand_Clint
It's not quite as easy as it used to be ... he finally realizes he has the Synapse Lighting Blast power & uses it as soon as it recharges if he can't reach you.
Also, it feels like they've tweaked his AI to not run willy-nilly into the lava quite as much any more ... but that may be just me. |
I noticed the Igneous don't die from the lava...not sure if that's new or not...I think it is.
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This is why I like fighting him on my PB. One good punch and he's in the lava anyway. |
Originally Posted by Reverand_Clint
It's not quite as easy as it used to be ... he finally realizes he has the Synapse Lighting Blast power & uses it as soon as it recharges if he can't reach you.
Also, it feels like they've tweaked his AI to not run willy-nilly into the lava quite as much any more ... but that may be just me. |
Of course, that also means a Void Stalker spawns right next to him...
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Don't think it is, or at least not to this week's patch - a week or two ago I saw someone comment about their lava immunity (in the context of completing the entire arc without using an attack power).
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
I noticed the Igneous don't die from the lava...not sure if that's new or not...I think it is.
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Lemkin always seemed too easy to kill for too much XP. He certainly doesn't deserve AV xp. I agree it's unfortunate EB xp is so low, but that's a global problem, not specific to Lemkin, and I'd rather see an increase to EB xp as a whole than manually raised XP here and there for specific entities.
Lemkin was incredibly squishy as well. I noticed the new EB was a bit tougher to widdle down HP-wise.
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I can never seem to get enough KB on those jerks to get them into the lava before I kill them and I so want to watch the Voids burn.
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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
This is why I like fighting him on my PB. One good punch and he's in the lava anyway.
Of course, that also means a Void Stalker spawns right next to him... |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Welcome to every elite boss ever. A while ago, I fought an even con Nemesis elite boss, then fought a +1 Fake Nemesis boss and got almost 50% more experience FROM THE BOSS.|
Originally Posted by Zortel
Which is fair enough, but 200-500 XP difference between boss and Elite boss doesn't seem right to me.
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Elite boss experience has always been laughably low, and honestly... I don't know why that is. I really wish elite bosses would be given reward comparable to their power level. They almost always give pretty much the same rewards as bosses, sometimes even LESS than some bosses, yet they are considerably harder to fight.
This has been going on for pretty much as long as elite bosses have existed, and it needs to be fixed one of these days.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Igneous have always been immune to Lava damage.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Hmm, well I ran the SSA part 1 today and just watched him burn. He did shoot the ranged lightning blast attack once...maybe twice before he died.
I noticed the Igneous don't die from the lava...not sure if that's new or not...I think it is. |
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The XP whiplash from Lemkin pre/post patch opened my eyes to it, and I checked on defeating Burkholder and Protean and found similar poor XP results.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Welcome to every elite boss ever. A while ago, I fought an even con Nemesis elite boss, then fought a +1 Fake Nemesis boss and got almost 50% more experience FROM THE BOSS.
Elite boss experience has always been laughably low, and honestly... I don't know why that is. I really wish elite bosses would be given reward comparable to their power level. They almost always give pretty much the same rewards as bosses, sometimes even LESS than some bosses, yet they are considerably harder to fight. This has been going on for pretty much as long as elite bosses have existed, and it needs to be fixed one of these days. |
Of course, the likelyhood of it getting looked at is the same as that of Giant Monsters, I guess.
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Roasting him in the lava also cuts back on the experience received much like damage done by other mobs.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Don't forget that he can be defeated by using Hover or any other flying power...
I like to watch him burn in the lava Easy pickins'! |
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A number of people have been asking for this for probably seven years now, and I don't remember so much as a single developer comment on it, though I may have missed some. Honestly, I'd like to see elite bosses getting a proper reward, but that just never seems to be a priority. Hell, if MALTA still don't have increased rewards despite being one oft he meanest enemy factions out there...
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Originally Posted by Zortel
The XP whiplash from Lemkin pre/post patch opened my eyes to it, and I checked on defeating Burkholder and Protean and found similar poor XP results.
Of course, the likelyhood of it getting looked at is the same as that of Giant Monsters, I guess. |
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Before today's patch, fighting Lemkin always rewarded a fairly substantial amount of XP. Even solo, his rank was EB and his threat colouring was purple. I'd sometimes get half a level from him on lower level characters.
Today, post patch, Lemkin spawns orange, and gave my level 22 character with Patrol XP 1,404 Experience.
In the same arc (also patrol XP):
Temple Leader - Boss: 1,123 XP
Igneous Lord - Boss: 1,297 XP
Reymthin - Boss: 1,026 XP
Echidna - Boss: 936 XP
Considering the damage he can throw out with his punches, the risk of knockback into lava from his whirlwind power, and his HP, I'm surprised he rewards that few an amount of XP compared to other bosses that are much easier to defeat.
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