Why F2P Chat woes make me so angry...

No, it's experience talking.

And it's not 5 minutes a day to unsilence people that's the problem, it's having to silence people who cause problems that's a problem. That's continuous ongoing enforcement. MMO companies can't afford the cost to moderate their channels - asking volunteers to shoulder the burden is ridiculous.

Fact: it's proven that *any* monetary barrier to entry is extremely effective in stopping RMT spam.

I see, so the problem is that channel moderators aren't owning up to their reponsibilities. Got it. Refresh my memory and tell me how you're contributing to the community?

DEAD WRONG. RMT is a business that has grown every year. If you don't realize that it's a clear and present danger, then you just don't understand anything about MMOs.

No, I don't unsilence people all the time. The channels I'm a moderator on are not auto-silence channels. This was a choice to limit how much time is eaten from the moderator's play time.

I fully agree with this.

5 minutes? What a laugh. I do agree that I have responsibility, just not to the group you think. I have the responsibility to the other players on the channel that are paying subscribers, not to some F2P player. I think I can safely say that you do not understand what I'm saying.

And get your account banned. Do that too many times and you'll not be out however much money you've spent, but your IP address will be banned as well. Try harder and I'll assume that legal action would be taken.

What, exactly, are you arguing here? First you are going on about how all free players should be allowed to join and be auto-silenced, and now are going on about people of a set reward tier being shut out of global channels.

To be clear as to where I stand:

• F2P ($0) - Deserve what they pay for: No access to tells, broadcast, super groups, global channels, and global tells. Throughout this thread (and elsewhere) when I say "free player" I mean this group.
• Starter Premium ($5-$40) - Completely acceptable that they get access to tells, broadcast, and super groups, but no access to global tells or global channels. I call this group "new users" or "basic premiums".
• Tier 3 Premium and above ($45+) - Completely acceptable that they get access to tells, broadcast, super groups, global tells or global channels. I call this group premiums.
• VIP - Completely acceptable that they get access to tells, broadcast, super groups, global tells or global channels. I call this group subscribers.

I have no problem what so ever if a Tier 3 Premium or VIP having global channel access. That is what they have paid for or are paying for. They will get access as the channel allows (auto silence on join or not as the channel mods see fit, if the channel is public or private as the channel mods see fit).

However allowing F2P or Starter Premiums global channel access is a BAD THING. One global channel I moderated filled twice. It takes 2,500 accounts to fill a channel. That is far more a problem than a 10-20 player group global channel, tells, or even broadcast.

I think that your writing style is confusing people as to if you mean F2P or Premium (and what level of premium) when you are posting. Can you please be specific as to what you are saying that I'm doing or not doing?

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The one thing that bothers me here is that a player who decides to make the jump to VIP and purchases $45 worth of game time still won't have access to global chat until the time is up, while a player who sticks to Premium and buys the same dollar value worth of points will have full access right away. In this situation, the VIP is at a disadvantage.

I really hope the devs get the whole token thing sorted out soon.

No, that's not true - any VIP/subscriber automatically has full chat/email/channel access.

/facepalm. You're right - I was still going off the Tiers and completely neglected to use my brain. I'll let my excuse be that I'm sick, exhausted and should probably head to bed.

My entire argument is based around global chat being a tier 3 token ($15) and not a tier 3 unlock ($45)

If ANY monetary fee curbs RMT, then this should more than suffice. Try again.

None of these reasons is compelling enough to me to abandon my hope that I will be able to decide who is able to communicate with me. I certainly don't want *you* deciding that because you can't handle it, I can't either, and we pay the same monthly fee. In fact I find the idea of you being "against" paid players deciding who they receive tells from almost offensive.

Exactly. I played WoW, I got RMT spam at least once every 3 days, you know what? Life went on. We did not have some nuclear holocaust. In fact, over time we found it pretty funny. We pointed out grammar mistakes and spelling errors for laughs.

This is to prevent RMT spam. Which has been stated repeatedly on every page of this thread. RMT spam is far more annoying to the existing players, so stop trying to paint this as subscriber elitism.

Anyone can, for $15 have nearly unlimited chat ability: They can subscribe.

I am not deciding this. The developers decided this. However, I fully support that developer choice as it means less inconvenience to me.

As long as a player pays the monthly fee, they can chat with anyone. They can receive tells from anyone that has earned the privilege to send them.

To gain the privilege (it is not a right) of being able to send tells, talk in super group channel, or in broadcast a player has to earn a set amount of reward tokens (2).

To gain the privilege (it is not a right) of being able to send global tells and talk global channels a player has to earn a set amount of reward tokens (5).

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There is no option to decline tells. Even if you are hidden you will get the tell unless you have ignored the player.

Given that there are over 100,000 player accounts (that is paid accounts, not including free accounts) and you can only ignore (edit: 100 ) accounts, this is a problem.

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In other words, buying a ton of stuff players don't want, good call there. I think it's safe to say that this is not the Freedom we're looking for. This isn't even remotely close to freedom, this is just elitism.

You VIP elitists have a whole server to yourself, what more do you want? Meanwhile us normal VIPs want to have fun without dealing with premium segregation.

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I understand what full well what you are saying: no one can have this feature because you might forget to turn off the option and get a message from an RMTer. It doesn't matter what the developers decided because the purpose of this thread is to discuss whether that was a good decision.


This is not in dispute. What I said is that I, the paid player, want to decide whether a free player can contact me or not. I do not want the game deciding that for me. This is NOT just about paid players not being able to send tells; it is also about my ability to receive them. As long as its like this, you and all the world will get to hear my private chats via the Help channel.

You can only ignore 100 accounts. The patch way back that was supposed to increase it to 200 was either reversed soon after or never went through.

No, I'm against this because this game has an annoying tendency to reverse settings without player interaction. Or have new settings which are not explained to the users like the new "opt-in" setting to show alignment on a player's info screen, the whole mystic fortune fiasco (is it set to accept or prompt as a default?), and is it on a per character or global option? Does that mean I have to, on every single alt I make have to go to Gull the Null just so someone that has no investment in this game isn't inconvenienced? Give me a break.

No matter how much you deny it, it isn't about you. It is about the person sending the tells.

I stand corrected.

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