Where is the outrage? Buying Vet Rewards
Actually I see far less raging about ideas than the originators of those ideas seem to see. For example (a made up example) somebody might post "I would like to have a version of claws that came out of the fingertips instead of the knuckles.
Long time player who is blunt says "Not gonna happen." Clueless player who can't understand that the concept is to add a type of claw rather than change the entire set says "I like my claws just the way they are thank you very much." Long time player who is diplomatic says "What LTPWIB meant is that the devs have said that it would be hard to code because it wouldn't just mean adding in a claws type. It would require redesigning all player hands so that they had actual fingers rather than just being the mittens they are now." Me Too player says "Yeah, what LTPWID just said. It's because of the fingers. OP says "I don't know why anybody even bothers posting here. I come up with a suggestion and everybody jumps on me telling me it's stupid and will never happen. If you don't have something constructive to say about my idea just shut up. The devs are the ones who decide, not you!!! |
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I know exactly what you mean. I read a few thread in the past about paying for VIP rewards and saw how the OP was shot down hard. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people in this thread right now were some of the shooters. It just came off like the people with all of the cool stuff are the same people that want all of the cool stuff to themselves. Glad to see that the dev's realized that letting people pay for the VIP perks was a great idea for the game as a whole.
Vet rewards were analogous to customer loyalty perks that some businesses provide to encourage continuing patronage. The business themselves wouldn't mind providing the same perks to someone new if they threw a lot of money at the business but that devalues the perk which may upset their repeat customers. In the long term scheme of things it's better to have a regular income stream than relying on one time windfalls.
If you get down to the nuts and bolts, players aren't buying Vet rewards directly. A Paragon Reward token is a perk of you get buying Paragon Points. I know, it's semantics but it's the truth.
Also the amount of money you need to spend to get to the same reward is considerably less than before Freedom. Before Freedom if you wanted samurai armor for example the wealthy newbie have needed to pay for 17 months of service or $204-255 which is the kind of conspicuous consumption that your average working Joe can get annoyed by.
Now you only need 6 Tokens (all of Tier 3 plus 1). Everyone starts with one, gets another for having bought a box edition, so they need to buy 4800 Paragon Points or worse case $60 (Freemies have to pay $65). Now we are in the realm of the price of a new console game instead of the price of a new console. That may have something to do with the lack of outrage.
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At the risk of being overly negative, OP, if the original post was in the Suggestions section of the forum you were attacked because that area is a cesspool.
I find it particularly hilarious when people like you go so overboard when describing people disagreeing with you.
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Full OP quote: positive.
One liner trying to act cool: yessir.
Likelihood this poster had a tiny little vein bulging on his forehead while typing this post: extremely high.
Other than that, yes, what Oedipus said. The suggestion forum is best read as an OP only, skip replies board ; the few meaningful replies are drown out by a minority of very prolific and spiteful posters.
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We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
As for the topic at hand? I am not mad because they didn't just add a way for people to buy their way into the Veteran System... they completely re-designed the system. I mean, before you had to be around for 3 months, which means if you wanted to buy a Veteran Reward, to me, it woulda been like $45 each. Now, everyone gets a Reward monthly, a special "Time Only" badge each year that you can't buy, and folks get a BONUS (I really do see it as a bonus... NOT the ability to buy Veteran Rewards) Reward Token everytime they buy 1200 points in the store.
I find it particularly hilarious when people like you go so overboard when describing people disagreeing with you.
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This. I see the OP's post as nothing but an "I told you so! Neener neener neeeeeener!!! You should be so mad!!" post.
Buy 1200 points, not 2400 for a token.
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On the most basic level, didn't everyone buy their vet rewards?
Since people that didn't subscribe, didn't get them.
(Oops, I guess I did manage to insert some rage time for this into my schedule.)
If someone wanted to pay 7 years of sub-time upfront, then I have no qualms with them getting the same rewards access as I do. I (and I'm sure I wasn't alone), proposed this in the various vet reward rage threads. So, no, no rage here ( ' :
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You are correct that using the term beta is wrong on our part. It is not a "Beta". That doesn't change the fact that they are using the Headstart to make sure as much as possible is working before they launch the Free/Premium accounts so those players will hopefully endure as few problems as humanly possible.
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Us: Somebody set us up the bugs!
Devs: Main patch turn on!
Us: All your bugs are belong to us!
Devs: What you say!
Us: HAHAHA you are on your way to bugs. Make your time!
Devs: Patch every zig!
Seriously though. Every issue tends to have a couple of really nasty show-stoppers, and a swarm of nasty little issues and annoyances that need to be swatted.
The only difference this time is that the free-players aren't included just yet.
That's true, but it's not the problem. The problem is that we had to wait until our knees were weak and our hair grey to get them, while they can get them while they're still young and healthy.
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One of the first few threads I made when I joined the forums was asking for some system to 1. Give CoH more money, 2. Give the new guys a chance of getting the 7 (6 then) years of rewards reducing the hopelessness they would feel with iconic costume parts seemingly totally out of reach.
To say the least I got totally POUNCED and FLAMED, maybe even Nuked from orbit. So now that this has actually come to pass, where is the outrage. So it is heresy for a guy to suggest something like this, but when it is actually implemented everyone is all alright with it? Where is the hate threads? -MCM |
So the new system is a non issue for me. Even without the yearly subscription badges i'd be fine with it.
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Question: How is this really, in any way different from previous issue rollouts (other than the multiple hardware upgrades)?
In 2042, Issue {INSERT NUMBER} Was Beginning Us: Somebody set us up the bugs! Devs: Main patch turn on! Us: All your bugs are belong to us! Devs: What you say! Us: HAHAHA you are on your way to bugs. Make your time! Devs: Patch every zig! Seriously though. Every issue tends to have a couple of really nasty show-stoppers, and a swarm of nasty little issues and annoyances that need to be swatted. The only difference this time is that the free-players aren't included just yet. |
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At the risk of being overly negative, OP, if the original post was in the Suggestions section of the forum you were attacked because that area is a cesspool.
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The only reason it's a cesspool is because the people that can't stand having the flaws in their ideas pointed out to them frequently and immediately go into a rage and resort to name calling and insults.
Ahem. Sorry, I think I went on long enough.
Actually I had to do that when I was in high school. My house was on top of one hill, the school another and I was just inside the border that marked who could take a bus and who couldn't. On top of that the school system's superintendent rarely if ever called a snow day even though every town around us did.
Ice storms were the worse.
Of course nowadays schools call in a snow day if the forecast hints at snow the next day. Wimps.
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Actually I had to do that when I was in high school. My house was on top of one hill, the school another and I was just inside the border that marked who could take a bus and who couldn't. On top of that the school system's superintendent rarely if ever called a snow day even though every town around us did.
Ice storms were the worse. Of course nowadays schools call in a snow day if the forecast hints at snow the next day. Wimps. |
Actually I see far less raging about ideas than the originators of those ideas seem to see. For example (a made up example) somebody might post "I would like to have a version of claws that came out of the fingertips instead of the knuckles.
Long time player who is blunt says "Not gonna happen."
Clueless player who can't understand that the concept is to add a type of claw rather than change the entire set says "I like my claws just the way they are thank you very much."
Long time player who is diplomatic says "What LTPWIB meant is that the devs have said that it would be hard to code because it wouldn't just mean adding in a claws type. It would require redesigning all player hands so that they had actual fingers rather than just being the mittens they are now."
Me Too player says "Yeah, what LTPWID just said. It's because of the fingers.
OP says "I don't know why anybody even bothers posting here. I come up with a suggestion and everybody jumps on me telling me it's stupid and will never happen. If you don't have something constructive to say about my idea just shut up. The devs are the ones who decide, not you!!!
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