It's for exactly what they said it was for: to prevent EXPLOITS.
Triggering MARTy is a one-two punch. On your end, it stops you from earning rewards temporarily, to make sure you're not earning above what they consider the ceiling for high-end game play. On the back end, it sends a log to the developers, so they can see exactly what content MARTy was triggered on and adjust it in a future patch and bring it more in line with standard content. (The fact that it limits personal rewards means that they don't have to take down the servers for emergency patches, and can fix exploits during regular maintenance patches.)
There are people who have triggered MARTy on beta doing AE ambush farms, but I haven't personally seen any claims (or proof) of anyone triggering it on the live servers.
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Things that are definite game exploits, like an AE mission that gets you from level 1-50 in 2 runs or being able to take down 4 AVs in 3 secs using brawl. They haven't said specifics in order to keep players from trying to reach those levels.
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Yes, but what are these said exploits. I guess I am saying that since a high xp farm is not considered an exploit (by the nature of MARTy not being triggered), then what the heck IS the exploit? It seems it would have to be pretty major and pretty awesome. (er, I guess I don't mean awesome, or do I?)
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Even if I knew (and I don't) I wouldn't be allowed to mention it here. Exploits are verboten. You *may* get a private message from someone who knows how to one-shot brawl 4 AVs, but I doubt it.
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Originally Posted by shaggy5
Yes, but what are these said exploits. I guess I am saying that since a high xp farm is not considered an exploit (by the nature of MARTy not being triggered), then what the heck IS the exploit? It seems it would have to be pretty major and pretty awesome. (er, I guess I don't mean awesome, or do I?)
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Early AE farms like the Rikti Lt farm, boss farms and underling farms were all considered exploits, so the developers took steps and made fixes for each of them specifically.
Had MARTy been around in those days, you can bet it would have triggered on at least the last example there, if not on all three.
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Forum rules do not permit the discussion of exploits until they are patched and labelled as such in the patch notes.
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Not even the devs know what these exploits are, that's the whole point of a system to find exploits. If they knew what the exploits were, they would fix them.
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Originally Posted by shaggy5
Yes, but what are these said exploits. I guess I am saying that since a high xp farm is not considered an exploit (by the nature of MARTy not being triggered), then what the heck IS the exploit? It seems it would have to be pretty major and pretty awesome. (er, I guess I don't mean awesome, or do I?)
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Originally Posted by shaggy5
Yes, but what are these said exploits. I guess I am saying that since a high xp farm is not considered an exploit (by the nature of MARTy not being triggered), then what the heck IS the exploit? It seems it would have to be pretty major and pretty awesome. (er, I guess I don't mean awesome, or do I?)
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Let's say that after a totally unrelated patch, all female model CoT suddenly give five hundred thousand XP regardless of what level they are. MARTy sees that someone killed a spawn in Perez Park and suddenly gained five levels. MARTy applies the brakes, creates a log, and the devs learn about the problem.
I was one of the people who assumed MARTy was a disingenuous attempt to curb farming. Glad I was wrong.
Just an example from the past that has been already corrected:
At one point, an exploit allowed you to slot as many enhancements as you wanted in a Warshade's form powers; i.e., Dark Nova Blast, Dark Nova Emanation, etc.
Someone, in testing it, put an insane amount of enhancements in and 1-shotted Hamidon with it. Yes, the Hamidon in the Hive. With that kind of firepower, it would be easy to take it up to northern RWZ and clear out tons of lvl 54 things, or run very fast iTrials.
It's these kind of exploits that the devs want to stop before they become widespread use (like the monkey farms); essentially, MARTy is a quick repair agent with info gathering to help prevent future exploits.
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Thanks for the input all. I was actually trying to be a little funny. It made me laugh to think that a fire farm doesn't trigger it so I was laughing wondering what in the world could trigger it. I am not asking for any actual exploits, just smiling about it.
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Also for something like the monkey bug where people took advantage of it over a long weekend. This way they can go home for the weekend and deal with them at their leisure.
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My traps defender can get throttled in the AE now, and I know for certain she's not at the upper end of DPS.
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Thanks for the input all. I was actually trying to be a little funny. It made me laugh to think that a fire farm doesn't trigger it so I was laughing wondering what in the world could trigger it. I am not asking for any actual exploits, just smiling about it.
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It's a new System it needs some fine tuning and I am sure this will effect AE Farms in time, Dev all never like AE Farms Exploit, Posi is one of them. I no Online MMO all want you too grind and stuff to keep you playing longer, it make sense. To get you lvling yourself faster and too farm you lvl ups will burn out players faster, which will be bad for them.
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You mean throttled by Marty? if so any logs I would love to look at them as I'm sure many others would also.
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My traps defender can get throttled in the AE now, and I know for certain she's not at the upper end of DPS.
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My traps defender can get throttled in the AE now, and I know for certain she's not at the upper end of DPS.
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My traps defender can get throttled in the AE now, and I know for certain she's not at the upper end of DPS.
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Unless you're talking about hitting the ticket cap.
Either that or your Traps Defender can clear +4/x8 ambush missions in under a minute.
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You mean throttled by Marty? if so any logs I would love to look at them as I'm sure many others would also.
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Rather interesting, since the initial thread on MARTy said that it wouldn't affect 'aggressive gameplay'
(no, I don't have logs...I was mostly reading the chat. May or may not test it later and pull logs to check for certain)
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Have to agree a little with Dechs based on the information. I was fire/fire tanking without any trigger at all at 54/8
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Thanks for the input all. I was actually trying to be a little funny. It made me laugh to think that a fire farm doesn't trigger it so I was laughing wondering what in the world could trigger it. I am not asking for any actual exploits, just smiling about it.
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Yes, but what are these said exploits. I guess I am saying that since a high xp farm is not considered an exploit (by the nature of MARTy not being triggered), then what the heck IS the exploit? It seems it would have to be pretty major and pretty awesome. (er, I guess I don't mean awesome, or do I?)
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Disingenuous? I can see how you read it that way. Just jumping on while I am at work, so I am going to ask you to kindly not take my words so seriously. Thanks!
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Really? That's not what you said earlier.
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Disingenuous? I can see how you read it that way. Just jumping on while I am at work, so I am going to ask you to kindly not take my words so seriously. Thanks!
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Don't even bother. I've being seeing this all week in the global channels, it's like the ******* Respec Glowies all over again; "I did X and it triggered MARTy", "I did Y and it didn't trigger MARTy", "If you trigger MARTy you can't get XP for 24 hours" and so on.|
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Bull.
Unless you're talking about hitting the ticket cap. Either that or your Traps Defender can clear +4/x8 ambush missions in under a minute. |
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Well, not everything one sees in chat is reliable. If you'd asked me (and if I'd been able to log into the forums, grrrr) a few days ago, I would have guaranteed you'd see people claiming in chat to have been MARTy-bagged. Whether they understand the difference between that and the ticket-cap, or even really get what MARTy is supposed to do, is a lot less than clear. I'm not sying it didn't happen, but I am saying one hears all sorts of outlandish claims all the time, from people who may be confused, have an agenda, or just want to mess with people.
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Quite a few people in the Help channel were discussing their farms getting throttled by MARTy today...Freedom was rather rife with the few discussing it and the rest farmer bashing.
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I am not a big farmer, I just do it once in a while for something "new" to do. I did two ticket runs yesterday with 4 lowbies. Nothing was triggered and they got great xp while I earned my tickets.
So if MARTy isn't for farms, what the heck is it for? Now I am looking for what really cool thing people can do for xp that would actually trigger MARTy. Is it for large leagues destroying things (no, wait, that is the MSR and still happens).
Do we have ideas/theories of what is so awesome that it would trigger MARTy?
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