/signed every time this gets suggested.
In last week's marathon Ustream chat, someone (Posi?) said that even if they implemented offline supergroup invitations, it would be limited to characters not on your account.
That said...
Having a second account, that you use to invite your main account's alts to the supergroup, is about to become very easy. (Unless I'm missing something, having spent any money on a second account at all including already having one you've stopped paying for or, starting whenever free accounts become available again, a one-time $5 purchase of Paragon Points on a new account will be enough.) And there are already plenty of other options that not allowing offline invitations is such a low barrier that I don't see what the devs think it accomplishes.
So, /signed.
It was Matt Miller who said this. He emphasised that SGs were TEAM content and that you will never be allowed to invite your own alts to your own SG without involving other people. With that, any interest I may have ever had in SGs or bases is over.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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There was a time many years ago when this game was seriously attempting to try to encourage SG-based PVP raiding. At that time I could almost (almost mind you) understand the whole Matt Miller mindset that "SGs are supposed to be team-only content" and could almost understand why they might want to prevent us from being able to email SG invites to your own characters.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
It was Matt Miller who said this. He emphasised that SGs were TEAM content and that you will never be allowed to invite your own alts to your own SG without involving other people. With that, any interest I may have ever had in SGs or bases is over.
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Those days are long since past.
Clearly the whole idea of SG-based PVP raiding never really happened and over the years the Devs gave up on trying to keep SG bases as places that could support PVP. The notable concession to that was when the Devs removed the "path restrictions" in SG bases so they no longer had to be legal/fair for PVPing. Basically I see the Devs' resistance to allowing us to self-invite our own characters to SGs as a last stubborn holdout to a design goal that essentially failed to happen. There is no longer any legitimate reason to keep us from being able to do this, assuming there really ever was a good reason to begin with.
I only hope that the Devs will finally see the stubbornness they are clinging to over this and will eventually realize that the purpose of SG bases in this game has fundamentally changed.
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OH NOES! The big bad devs said I will never be able to invite my own characters into my own SG! Whatever shall I do? |
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
It was Matt Miller who said this. He emphasised that SGs were TEAM content and that you will never be allowed to invite your own alts to your own SG without involving other people.
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*logs onto Premium secondary account and emails SG invites to my own characters. Then logs onto main account and accepts SG invites emails when it's convenient.*
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Originally Posted by Placta
In last week's marathon Ustream chat, someone (Posi?) said that even if they implemented offline supergroup invitations, it would be limited to characters not on your account.
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*cough*
Sorry
Seriously though, that its such a popular and perennial suggestion shows that in this case he is (respectfully) wrong.
/signed
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Wow, he really said that? That just makes no sense to me. Being able to invite your own alts just seems like such an obvious QoL improvement that it never occurred to me there might be an actual objection to it; I guess I had just assumed they'd never really considered it a high priority, which is quite different from actually having an overt objection to the idea.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
It was Matt Miller who said this. He emphasised that SGs were TEAM content and that you will never be allowed to invite your own alts to your own SG without involving other people. With that, any interest I may have ever had in SGs or bases is over.
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First, I'd like this option, or one similar to it.
However, reasons why they don't make it easy:
1. People will buy second accounts so they can do this themselves.
(more money for them)
2. Memory resources. I seem to recall the devs saying somewhere, sometime that the salvage storage was a burden on the server. Should everyone make their own SG because they can invite their alts, that would be a lot more stuff stashed.
In a shared SG, there is still a cap of 18 storage bins for salvage, regardless of how many are in the SG.
So, with 1 account using 18 bins, you take 150 people, all in a solo SG, those numbers get larger than if all 150 people were in the same SG also using 18 bins. It doesn't seem like that much, but each piece of salvage comes with certain details that must be contained in memory. That's a whole lot of zeroes and ones.
Again, I'd love to drop my second account, but players I trust to invite my alts aren't always online when it's convenient for me to do this. And I've done the inviting for other friends. It's a chore because you have to either make a toon, or have one quit your own SG to help them. (unless you have a designated inviter, which I currently do)
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Sorry but that argument might have held water a few years ago when each salvage rack could hold 2,500 pieces of salvage, but the devs have long since castrated our ability to store salvage in bases to 30 items per bin. |
Originally Posted by Ukaserex
2. Memory resources. I seem to recall the devs saying somewhere, sometime that the salvage storage was a burden on the server. Should everyone make their own SG because they can invite their alts, that would be a lot more stuff stashed.
In a shared SG, there is still a cap of 18 storage bins for salvage, regardless of how many are in the SG. So, with 1 account using 18 bins, you take 150 people, all in a solo SG, those numbers get larger than if all 150 people were in the same SG also using 18 bins. It doesn't seem like that much, but each piece of salvage comes with certain details that must be contained in memory. That's a whole lot of zeroes and ones. |
It doesn't matter if there is only 1 character in an SG or 150. The most salvage that can be stored is 540 items. That's a hair over 1/5th of what we used to be able to store.
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I noticed Premium can't make a SG, does that mean they can't be leader or officers in a previously created SG?
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The devs haven't specifically said their were any restrictions on Premiums once they join an SG so as far as we know while Premiums can't create SG's they can join them and once invited they can be any rank and send invites.
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Originally Posted by Cake
I noticed Premium can't make a SG, does that mean they can't be leader or officers in a previously created SG?
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This doesn't necessarily mean they don't have friends, which is sad. A person could be a severe altoholic and simply doesn't want to be constantly pestering his friends for help doing invites. |
Originally Posted by Megajoule
I feel bad for people who don't have any friends.
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Or they simply like being self sufficient.
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Once I realised that they are stubborn about keeping SGs team content, I lost interest in them in general. Sure, I might come up with a way to invite my own characters, but then prices will be set for teams or something else equally limiting will show up and I'll be told "Well of course you can't have it! It's team content!"|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
OH NOES! The big bad devs said I will never be able to invite my own characters into my own SG! Whatever shall I do?
*logs onto Premium secondary account and emails SG invites to my own characters. Then logs onto main account and accepts SG invites emails when it's convenient.* |
I can, technically speaking, run TFs by multi-boxing with free accounts. That doesn't make TFs any less team content.
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Or they simply like being self sufficient.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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This has nothing to do with it...|
Originally Posted by Megajoule
I feel bad for people who don't have any friends.
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<sigh> Here's the dealio folks...
I am a solo player. This doesn't mean I run content solo... I do PuGs, and I have friends in game, both real life and interwebz friends that join me (or I them) for CoX shenanigans red side AND blue side.
What that means is, I want my own "lair."
Batman has Robin. What, is he the second premium account?
The Shadow? Superman? Wolverine much of the time? Dr. Strange?
Lots of heroes have a place to call their own.
Why not me? Why can I not have a place JUST for my heroes and/or villains?
On Virtue, I have a GREAT villain group. I spent a lot of time and inf/prestige to get all the TP beacons, 18 storage... even some nifty purely decorative rooms. But, really, other than the auto-doc and the storage (including the enhancement table and the insp container), I don't DO anything with it.
There will BE no base raids. No PvP... Heroes attacking other heroes and taking their "item of power" is a dumb idea. Villains attacking other villain hideouts or heroes attacking villains or vice versa makes more sense, but it still ain't happening.
So, devs, get off your bloody high horse and let the folks who PAY use their funds to do what they want to do anyway...
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I understand. I too feel bad for some people. Sometimes I even feel bad for people with a severely limited capacity for understanding anything that differs from their own myopic viewpoint. Sometimes when they go out of their way to display said limitation, I don't feel quite as bad anymore.
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Originally Posted by Megajoule
I feel bad for people who don't have any friends.
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People in my playgroup used to pass millions to their new alts. This was back when (1) a million was a big deal; (2) there was no global mail; and (3) you could only do it in chunks of 99k. Being the go-between in that transaction was something we did for each other. It required a certain amount of trust (see 1) and patience (see 3), but we did it. (Uphill, through the snow, both ways.)
We also have a lot of small, themed, near-vanity SGs. When someone makes a new alt they want to put in one of these SGs, someone with a character in that SG logs in, invites them, and logs out. (It's not uncommon for that character to be automatically handed the leader star as soon as they do log in; these are not exactly active SGs.) I personally do not believe it would be much more inconvenient to either leave a friend's alt in the SG specifically to do invites, or to have one's main invite a friend, promote them, have them invite the alt and then quit the SG.
If you don't know anyone in game that you trust to such a degree... that's unfortunate, and that's what I was referencing in my earlier post.
An SG made up entirely of one person's characters is not the Devs' design or intent. If you choose to make one anyway, you should be aware and accept that they are not likely to assist you by reducing the inconvenience of doing so.
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My friends' toons are all in their own private SG and would prefer to be able to invite myself instead of them leaving their SG, inviting me, and quitting to go back to their own SG again. Especially when alt-i-tis means making new toons at random times.
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You almost sound like you're describing myself and some of the people I play with. And it would still be more convenient for us to be able to invite our own alts, or even send offline invites to each other. I'm sure it would be an even more welcome QoL improvement for those who don't choose to use SGs & VGs the way you and I choose to, regardless of the number of friends they may or may not have (since it is surely impossible to determine whether or not somebody has friends and/or trusted associates based soley on whether or not they choose to have a solo SG/VG). |
Originally Posted by Megajoule
People in my playgroup used to pass millions to their new alts. This was back when (1) a million was a big deal; (2) there was no global mail; and (3) you could only do it in chunks of 99k. Being the go-between in that transaction was something we did for each other. It required a certain amount of trust (see 1) and patience (see 3), but we did it. (Uphill, through the snow, both ways.)
We also have a lot of small, themed, near-vanity SGs. When someone makes a new alt they want to put in one of these SGs, someone with a character in that SG logs in, invites them, and logs out. (It's not uncommon for that character to be automatically handed the leader star as soon as they do log in; these are not exactly active SGs.) I personally do not believe it would be much more inconvenient to either leave a friend's alt in the SG specifically to do invites, or to have one's main invite a friend, promote them, have them invite the alt and then quit the SG. |
I support the OPs suggestion, and will every time it appears on this forum. And I have no doubt that this feature will continue to be asked for and will eventually be implemented.
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I did the same when we could only transfer 9999 at a time, as in four digit counters on the Inf amount. I didn't precisely like it. Now that we have global mail to mail things to ourselves, I vastly prefer how it works.|
Originally Posted by Megajoule
People in my playgroup used to pass millions to their new alts. This was back when (1) a million was a big deal; (2) there was no global mail; and (3) you could only do it in chunks of 99k. Being the go-between in that transaction was something we did for each other. It required a certain amount of trust (see 1) and patience (see 3), but we did it. (Uphill, through the snow, both ways.)
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Originally Posted by Megajoule
An SG made up entirely of one person's characters is not the Devs' design or intent. If you choose to make one anyway, you should be aware and accept that they are not likely to assist you by reducing the inconvenience of doing so.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Now more than ever we got vouchers and account items sent to our emails so...
Give us this option already!
I want to have my own SG for all my alts.
I don't have any friends...
Who needs friends when I have several VIP or Premium accounts, umpteen million prestige and two large bases (Red & Blue)?
Wait... :/
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Oh yeah and signed...
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PLUS "their original intent" (base raiding) doesn't exist in any form, shape or guise. There is almost no team SG base content at all. So to insist that SG Bases absolutely MUST be multi-player activities is nothing short of denial.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Their original intent is flawed. I hurt no-one by having a SG all to myself. Forcing me to have other people in it is not going to make me more likely to join or form an active SG. It's more likely to make me not even bother.
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Bases as they exist now are nothing more than an enjoyable inf dump. Denying them to solo players at this stage of the game is just a little silly.
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I have my own Villain and Hero Super Groups and ultimately I had to make a second account to be able to manage them. Friends got tired of me pestering them to loggon for an invite or promotion. Being able to email invites or promotions is exactly what I need. Since there is NO Super Group oriented content at all, I cannot understand why the developers haven't softened their position on this issue.
Could we get option to send SG invites through mail? Would let us invite alts without giving others access to our SG for those wanting a private SG.