hit the button that says LFG and queue up for it, iff enough poeple are queued for it, it will start up the trial
you *can* always just broadcast for a team too
I tried the LFG button. It said there was a 3 minute wait. After 10 minutes, I was still waiting. I remember that there were similar issues using the LFG button for the iTrials.
I guess my real question is, how do I start my own Death from Below trial? That way I don't have to depend on others, I can take some initiative and get one going myself.
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the wait time is an average, it factors in groups which are preformed and only in queue for a short time as well as single poeple who could be in the queue for 30+ minutes
if you want to start your own, just preform the group and then queue up, its essentially the exact same thing as incarnate trial except you only need 4-8 poeple for the sewer trial
Alternately, holler in broadcast/help for people to queue up. Every time I did that after waiting longer than necessary (I am impatient; I give it 5 minutes, then holler), I was in a trial within a couple minutes.
(I really wish they would give us a LFG chat channel that we could, you know, CHAT IN, instead of the LFG chat channel that they are using to make stupid game announcements in. Hi, you can put those in system, dammit! They're system messages! I hate clogging /help with LFG messages.)
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(I really wish they would give us a LFG chat channel that we could, you know, CHAT IN, instead of the LFG chat channel that they are using to make stupid game announcements in. Hi, you can put those in system, dammit! They're system messages! I hate clogging /help with LFG messages.)
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Yes, LFG or Freedom would be great.
Another thing I'd like to see is the number of people waiting in the queue. I think some feedback is critical. "Average" wait time is no good if there's only three people waiting, your effective wait time is infinity if that happens.
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I would like to see the average wait time tweaked to ignore anyone with a wait time of less than 30 seconds, possibly 1 minute (this would remove nearly all premades and give a much more accurate view).
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Originally Posted by gameboy1234
Yes, LFG or Freedom would be great.
Another thing I'd like to see is the number of people waiting in the queue. I think some feedback is critical. "Average" wait time is no good if there's only three people waiting, your effective wait time is infinity if that happens. |
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I appreciate the thought, but have to disagree. There are many areas of mathematics when an "average" is not a good value to use as representative of a sample. Just because it took 10 minutes on average during peak play time to find a trial doesn't do anything for a person playing well after peak play time.
Wait times in the queue are highly variable and dependent on lots of factors, none of which an average expresses very well. I can't think of a single number value that does. Some kind of Poisson distribution might, but that's not very intuitive. I just think showing exactly how many folks are waiting is a better and more accurate indication of your chances of getting a trial soon.
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The devs said at PAX that it only takes a certain time frame into account (I think an hour or a few hours?), not "every time it's used, ever".
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I appreciate the thought, but have to disagree. There are many areas of mathematics when an "average" is not a good value to use as representative of a sample. Just because it took 10 minutes on average during peak play time to find a trial doesn't do anything for a person playing well after peak play time.
Wait times in the queue are highly variable and dependent on lots of factors, none of which an average expresses very well. I can't think of a single number value that does. Some kind of Poisson distribution might, but that's not very intuitive. I just think showing exactly how many folks are waiting is a better and more accurate indication of your chances of getting a trial soon. |
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I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Thanks for info. I know understand all this a little better and had a great run yesterday. It is a very cool trial.
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Every time I run one I simply Broadcast and post in Exalted-United, "Death from Below trial forming, hop in the queue" and then click into the queue.
Team forms up in seconds, automatically.
A couple times I didn't zone in as leader, but I think that's because I had the Join Trials in Progress option checked.
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Originally Posted by gameboy1234
I appreciate the thought, but have to disagree. There are many areas of mathematics when an "average" is not a good value to use as representative of a sample. Just because it took 10 minutes on average during peak play time to find a trial doesn't do anything for a person playing well after peak play time.
Wait times in the queue are highly variable and dependent on lots of factors, none of which an average expresses very well. I can't think of a single number value that does. Some kind of Poisson distribution might, but that's not very intuitive. I just think showing exactly how many folks are waiting is a better and more accurate indication of your chances of getting a trial soon. |
But until then, I still wish that the way they calculate average would stop being dominated by the premades.
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I've been loving the trial and using the Q is so simple and quick.
Tonight though I had a quandry. A rl friend joined me ingame and I wanted to run the trial with him. Problem was I had no clue how to start one without using the Q. I was afraid if we Q'd up seperately we could end up in different teams.
Question is, if I'm teamed with him and we join the Q just the 2 of us, will we automatically get put in the same group, or do we have to then manually fill out the rest before it will start?
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Team with him and the leader joins the queue, then the whole team joins the queue and will be placed on the first available team with enough space to hold you all.
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I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Sweet, I hoped it was that simple! Thanks Aggelakis
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And if you announce the DfB trial in a global channel, I've heard of 2 or 3 groups almost instantly forming.
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Every time I run one I simply Broadcast and post in Exalted-United, "Death from Below trial forming, hop in the queue" and then click into the queue.
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Glad this was posted, i had been trying to figure out how to start this trial for a while now. (i have never done the higher level trials or anything else before) But my question now is, where is the looking for group button that you are talking about?
*edit* I found the button in the menu at the top, will be handy for my low levels.
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Glad this was posted, i had been trying to figure out how to start this trial for a while now. (i have never done the higher level trials or anything else before) But my question now is, where is the looking for group button that you are talking about?
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It is attached to the window you chat in. The one you enter all your text into. It is either on the top, or the bottom,based on how you position the chat window. The buttopn you are looking for is just labeled as.. "LFG" if I recall correctly.
Hope this helps..
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And if you announce the DfB trial in a global channel, I've heard of 2 or 3 groups almost instantly forming.
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I broadcasted in Atlas Park that I was Q'd for a sewer trial, got a tell from someone that they would join me. I responded "Awesome, just queue through the LFG tab and we'll start as soon as we have enough.
"I then broadcasted again that folks who can't send tells can join the Death from Below by Q'ing through the LFG tab. It was probably a 5 minute wait total from when I first broadcasted. I think it will go down as long as people spread the word that you can join the DfB through the LFG tab.
Had someone on the team that had been gone for a couple of year and had just re-subbed in the last week, so far he was loving the new stuff.
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The problem with this is that the F2P players that don't have access to Globals don't see this.
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Really? I didn't know that the F2P crowd couldn't use globals. I knw they couldn't do tells and broadcasts, but global is new to me,
But even so, I don't care a whole lot. I just want to do DfB when I want to do one. If I announce in a global and it fills up, I don't care overmuch if it's only VIPs that are joining me. It *is* valuable knowledge, so I"ll know in future to also announce in broadcast if a team is filling slowly, but beyond that, I don't care much.
Hmm. Are you sure that free players can join the trial? A friend of mine was playing as premium and said his LFG tab told him that there weren't any qualifying trials or something like that.
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I've seen that message myself. And usually shortly after I enter the trial. Not sure what it is trying to say, but it surely doesn't mean, "forget about this trial."
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Hmm. Are you sure that free players can join the trial? A friend of mine was playing as premium and said his LFG tab told him that there weren't any qualifying trials or something like that.
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Hmm. Are you sure that free players can join the trial? A friend of mine was playing as premium and said his LFG tab told him that there weren't any qualifying trials or something like that.
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Really? I didn't know that the F2P crowd couldn't use globals. I knw they couldn't do tells and broadcasts, but global is new to me.
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Ah. Thanks for the clarification. I"m really sorta behind on the Free accounts and what they have and don't have. I just don't see it being relevant to me, so I've not kep up on the details. I know. I should. It hasn't happened yet, however.
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Initially, they do not have access to anything beyond Local, Team, and Help. If they purchase enough Paragon Points to get Paragon Rewards, they can eventually gain access to Tells and Globals.
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Initially, they do not have access to anything beyond Local, Team, and Help. If they purchase enough Paragon Points to get Paragon Rewards, they can eventually gain access to Tells and Globals.
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Local, Team, Help and Friends.
It's $5 or applying a retail code to get /tell (and /sg, and a couple of others). It's $45 or 3 month subscription to get access to ALL channels, globals included.
Premiums are grandfathered in: if they've subscribed a total of 3 months at any time, they have access to all chat channels. All Premiums (meaning all returning players) have by definition applied a retail code so they all have access to at least /tell.
(Whew! I think I got it finally.)
OK, I freely admit at the start of this post that I can be dumber than a box of rocks. How and where does one start the Death from Below trial? Do I just stand in the middle of Atlas and beg for some kind team who understands the trial to include me?
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