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Because it acknowledges that there are boys AND girls? That it does more than give the barest hint of hanky panky in the little blue box. The general omnisexual vibe in the new one?
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Originally Posted by Cowman
While I've had significant.... issues.... with the new series
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Nah. Nothing to do with that.|
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Because it acknowledges that there are boys AND girls? That it does more than give the barest hint of hanky panky in the little blue box. The general omnisexual vibe in the new one?
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I simply prefer the pacing of the original series, with more room for characters other than the Tardis crew to bloom.
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I recently caught up on the series [since 2005] myself, on Netflix, and I am in love with the show. I'd wondered for years what all the hubbub was about, and MAN was I wrong to wait. I waited long enough to miss the hey day of Tennant, sadly. However, I've been greatly enjoying Matt Smith's run (though it is a bit more intellectual... my mother watched some of the pre-Series 6.5 premiere marathon, then the 6.5 premiere, and was *totally* lost despite my explanations, which sounded kind of crazy themselves). I've begun to dabble in the Tom Baker era stuff too (also on Netflix) and while I haven't watched a lot, it's been somewhat underwhelming to me based on how built-up it was. I'm going to watch more to build a more solid opinion, but I'm definitely a New-Who fanboy.
For someone just starting out, there's never really a good place to start. I suppose the beginning of Matt Smith's run is the best ,because the only real story carrying over is River Song, and she was only in one Tennant episode. But Tennant's run carries over stuff from Eccleston, and if you don't want to catch up on 6 years of story you don't want to start with Eccleston (though you should, he's Fantastic!). Of course the Tennant stuff is marvelous, but if you just want to jump right in there's only one and a half seasons of Matt Smith to catch up on- but you would need to watch all of it to make sense of anything. It's somewhat jumbled (see: Rory's history).
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Originally Posted by Cowman
While I've had significant.... issues.... with the new series; I'll agree that someone brought in by the new ones should go through those first and then start dabbling in the old stuff.
But I DO recommend giving the original shows a fair shake. Don't be put off by the old effects. The original series was made on a very low budget with VERY little time; and they still managed to put out some downright amazing material. |
I never watched/heard of Doctor Who before until my best friend recommended it to me. I have Netflix so I watched the first 2005 episode with Christopher Eccleston.
At first, it was a bit slow and didn't quite care for the show....but by the end of the 1st episode and maybe the 2nd or 3rd show I was hooked
I liked Mr. Eccleston, liked Tennant more I think....and didn't quite care for Matt Smith at first...but now he's definitely grown on me...and probably my favorite Doctor yet. *bowties are cool*
But while I was watching the Doctor Who series my dad caught on and at first he said, "these new shows are too 'real'...effects are too good...where are the really bad cheesy effects that I remember being Doctor Who?"
He originally saw the 'old' ones and didn't like the new ones because of the good effects/etc....but now...after a few episodes, he's with me and watches them with me hehe.
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Of course, you have to remember that a Series of Doctor Who is about half half of a US Season, so it's not like you'll be needing to catch up on like, 120 episodes or something.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Samoa
and if you don't want to catch up on 6 years of story
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Also, what Tom Baker ones have you watched? I can give you pointers to really good ones if you like.
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It's the serialization that makes the biggest difference between Classic and New Who. In the former, a given storyline would stretch over four or more episodes that were individually half the length of a New one's and typically ended with cliffhangers, all of which makes for completely different pacing and narrative style. (Classic Who also lacked the kind of seasonal arcs that New Who dabbles in.) While both revolve around travels in time and space, Classic Who is concerned with suspense and investigation, and New Who, adventures and relationships.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Samoa
I've begun to dabble in the Tom Baker era stuff too (also on Netflix) and while I haven't watched a lot, it's been somewhat underwhelming to me based on how built-up it was. I'm going to watch more to build a more solid opinion, but I'm definitely a New-Who fanboy.
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For those coming to Classic Who after being first exposed to New Who, the switch in styles may seem baffling. Instead of watching an entire Classic Who story at once on Netflix or DVD as though it were a New Who equivalent, it's best to pace it out over nights or, if trying to re-create its "old school" charm, weeks. The best of these from the first half of Classic Who's run include The Dalek Invasion of Earth (Hartnell), The Tomb of the Cybermen (Troughton), Inferno (Pertwee), and Pyramids of Mars (Baker).
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I'm..... not sure what you're saying here. If you're talking about the companion romances, then yes, I wasn't a fan of those. I wasn't really a fan of Rose in general, but there were companions in the old shows that I didn't like either, so that's neither here nor there.|
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Because it acknowledges that there are boys AND girls? That it does more than give the barest hint of hanky panky in the little blue box. The general omnisexual vibe in the new one?
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Thankfully those sorta ended after Rose and Martha. Donna was much better and I'm actually really digging the husband-wife team of Rory and Amy.
Beyond that, I often felt they were shoving Doctor-angst down our throats a little too much. David Tennant's little speech about how when he regenerates it's not really HIM, nearly had me grabbing the television and shaking it with rage.
The whole point of regeneration was that it WAS him. Different looks, some shuffling of personality, but it was always the same man. Even when Eccelston regenerated into Tennant; the whole point of the episode was Rose realizing that it WAS the same Doctor.
Yet now, all of a sudden, it's just his body that regenerates and he's essentially a different person then. Yeah, that ticked me off good.
But my main problem with the show.... my MAIN problem...... is that I'm sick of them telling me how awesome the Doctor is. Seriously, it's like we can't go more than two episodes without someone giving some speech about how great, amazing, and magical the Doctor is.
That being said, overall I think the new series has done a pretty good job at carrying on the Doctor Who legacy. They've already had some great stories and really memorable monsters. And while I may have found Eccelston to be a bit bland and Tennant to be a bit whiney, they still played the role well and had some great episodes. "The Doctor Dances" I really enjoyed and "Blink" was fantastic.
Matt Smith has really won me over. I was pretty down on him initially cause he seemed way to young, but I've come to like his Doctor the most out of the new series. So while I may complain now and then, I DO really like the new shows. Doctor Who is one of my all time favorite shows from my childhood AND adulthood, so I'm inclined to nitpick a little.
Wow! I knew there were a lot of Who fans here, didn't know this many. Ok, so I guess the feel of opinion is to start with the 05 Season (Eccelston?) and work my way forward to now? That will put me through 3 different Dr.s then? Is that kinda what I am hearing is a good way to start?
So the Dr.s and their "companions" are not always romanticly linked? I thought they were. For some reason (and I could be totaly off here) I remember the Tom Baker Dr. being something of a player (for his time that is). But not being a real watcher of the show I could be way off on that. I thought the various Dr.s were all "Ladies Men" and charmers of some sort.
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Can we all agree, as Doctor Who fans of either the Classic or New series, that the "End of Time" was a terrible coda for Russell Davies's run?
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Originally Posted by Cowman
Beyond that, I often felt they were shoving Doctor-angst down our throats a little too much. David Tennant's little speech about how when he regenerates it's not really HIM, nearly had me grabbing the television and shaking it with rage.
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Nope, there was no romance before the 1996 movie.|
Originally Posted by Le Blanc
So the Dr.s and their "companions" are not always romanticly linked? I thought they were. For some reason (and I could be totaly off here) I remember the Tom Baker Dr. being something of a player (for his time that is). But not being a real watcher of the show I could be way off on that. I thought the various Dr.s were all "Ladies Men" and charmers of some sort.
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There were a few hints with Tom Baker and Romana (a Time Lady) though... but that was about it. The Doctor, up until 1996 was always considered pretty much asexual and uninterested in romance.
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Nope, I thought it was great. And also, I've never seen each Doctor as the exact same man either and thought that 10th's description of regeneration was entirely consistent.
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
Can we all agree, as Doctor Who fans of either the Classic or New series, that the "End of Time" was a terrible coda for Russell Davies's run?
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Yes, that's a much better place to start than, say, either the 1996 movie or any of the other Doctors' first post-regeneration stories. But feel free to skip about once you're comfortable with the show.|
Originally Posted by Le Blanc
Wow! I knew there were a lot of Who fans here, didn't know this many. Ok, so I guess the feel of opinion is to start with the 05 Season (Eccelston?) and work my way forward to now? That will put me through 3 different Dr.s then? Is that kinda what I am hearing is a good way to start?
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An outlier opinion, then. There's rarely uniformity in matters of taste.|
Originally Posted by Zikar
Nope, I thought it was great.
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Arg, no. Don't start with the film. Aside from being not particularly good, (it stupidly Info Dumps the entire show's lore on you in the first 10 minutes) if you end up liking McGann you'll be out of luck since you'll never see him again.
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
Yes, that's a much better place to start than, say, either the 1996 movie or any of the other Doctors' first post-regeneration stories. But feel free to skip about once you're comfortable with the show.
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Having a new personality is kind of like dying. The Doctor is not the exact same person from regeneration to regeneration. You only need to look at the difference between them to see that.|
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
Well, that's flat-out wrong. He's always the same person, with the same memories and fundamental character, but a different persona.
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You basically lose all sense of self, being replaced by someone who shares all your memories but thinks differently.
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Originally Posted by Cowman
But I DO recommend giving the original shows a fair shake. Don't be put off by the old effects. The original series was made on a very low budget with VERY little time; and they still managed to put out some downright amazing material.
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There aren't a lot of William Hartnell (first doctor) episodes out there, but I find them - rather charming. Netflix *does* have them available - at least on DVD, not sure about streaming. (And actually the last time you see him - and finally in color! - is the movie "The three doctors," where he meets himself, then the original him - Hartnell - tries to give the other two hims pointers, as well as insulting them - so they basically watch him on TV. It's what the description brought to mind.)
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Actually, Hartnell didn't fare anywhere near as bad as Troughton. He has entire Season's missing. It's a huge shame.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
There aren't a lot of William Hartnell (first doctor) episodes out there
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Regeneration is the Time Lords' way of cheating death, so it's only superficially like dying. Yes, they get a different cellular structure, but as the Tenth Doctor explains, in what, for my money, is the best post-regeneration scene, "It's still me". |
Originally Posted by Zikar
Having a new personality is kind of like dying. The Doctor is not the exact same person from regeneration to regeneration. You only need to look at the difference between them to see that.
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On the other hand, when Russell Davies was wallowing in bathos, he had the Tenth Doctor say, "Even if I change... It feels like dying. Everything I
am, dies. Some new man goes sauntering away, and... I'm dead." That's a cheap play for sentimentality if it's intended metaphorically (and Davies was nothing if not sentimental about leaving Doctor Who), but if it's taken any other way, then it just muddles up the program's already messy and contradictory canon.
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The fundamental continuity of the character, despite the different actors and different personae, is essential to the series. It's the single most important thing for new viewers to understand.
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Originally Posted by Le Blanc
3. Is there a good website that would list any important history stuff between the old (long scarf) Dr. I remember and this guy, if they are supposed to be different people.
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You can start watching ones made today, or go back to the first of the new ones, really. The older ones move more slowly compared to those (and indeed just about any visual media) made today. Once the bug has it's fangs in you, you'll be ready for them anyways.
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Although he's great in the Big Finish Doctor Who audios. The audio dramas can be a lot of fun--especially the McGann and Colin Baker runs.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
Arg, no. Don't start with the film. Aside from being not particularly good, (it stupidly Info Dumps the entire show's lore on you in the first 10 minutes) if you end up liking McGann you'll be out of luck since you'll never see him again.
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Originally Posted by Tormentoso
Y'know, though I started and got hooked with Tennant, I really liked Eccleston's take when I went back to see that season. It's a shame he got only a season.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
His choice.
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Still, we got David Tennant afterwards, so it was definitely a trade up.
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... think that's more "least favourite outfit" than anything, when someone (a) threw up in technicolor, then (b) decided to "brand" it all over with question marks.
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
On the other hand, the Sixth Doctor, basically everyone's least favorite,
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I'm told that Baker didn't care for it himself but said "I was the lucky one [on the crew], I didn't have to look at it." Which made me chuckle.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... think that's more "least favourite outfit" than anything, when someone (a) threw up in technicolor, then (b) decided to "brand" it all over with question marks.
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I haven't seen much of his run, but what I saw looked bad and I've heard a lot of people's opinion that it was the low point of the show, writing-wise.
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