Dev Chat Highlights, August 17: Paragon Rewards with Positron

Called it!

I suppose one indirect way of handling this would be to buy your buddy 1200 Paragon Points. That will cost $15 and will automatically bump him to level 2 by earning a Reward Token. He wouldn't have to spend the points immediately, he could bank them and spend them on whatever whenever.

Another possibility: the $2 sale going on now *might* work to bump his account to one additional month of subscription if he is not currently subscribed. However, I only know it works to create new accounts and upgrade trial accounts. I do not know if it will reactivate a canceled account. If it does work, you could add it to his account *now* and when Freedom rolls around he should have three months and one vet badge, and therefore one reward token which would also bring him to tier 2.

I'm not in a position to test that particular theory though.

1. You also get one Free Token for Reward Level 1 (Rookie).

2. There are no Tier (Reward Level) 9 auto rewards. When you obtain your 34th Token, you get the Radiant badge and the Tier (Reward Level) 8 auto-rewards which gives you +150PP/month and access to purchase the Rewards in Tier 9 with any further Tokens.

Basically, when you acquire the Token that allows you to complete a tier, you then get the auto-rewards of that tier even if you haven't spent that Token yet.

So, wait wait wait... Trading is not Tier 2 but rather just two Reward Points? I'm pretty sure he should have that already. He has the base game and he subscribed for an additional month a few years ago, so he should technically have acquired two months' worth of "old veteran status" and already paid $15. I know money spent years ago don't count, but months subscribed should, right? For Veteran status? Failing that, yeah, I can fund him with a single month's worth of subscription of 1200 points, whichever we decide on. Be hard to broach the subject to the guy since he's uncomfortable with me buying games for him if they're not very cheap (I got him L4D2 for $8, I think), but we'll see how that goes.

Either way, thank you.

Oh, hey, about that! The guy has next to nothing on his account. He has a single character up to level 12, I think, and one that's easy to recreate. Will starting a new account with the new promotion work to give him the ability to trade? Because there's a chance the guy might not remember his login info. The last time he logged into his PlayNC Master Account was 2008, I think. Might end up having to make him a new one, but will that work? Trading with the guy is the only really pressing concern I have, to be honest. For everything else, we'll figure it out in due time.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I mean Paragon Reward tokens, yes. Apologies for the mistaken terminology. What are those given for and what must one have to ensure he receives them?

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Soooo... The Incarnate system and X amount of powers are unbuyable? As in, only subscribers whom pay a monthly fee will ever have access to these? That's such a bad idea. It won't matter for the opening months, but down the line as more and more people choose to just pay for what they want, the Incarnate system will slowly die off. Considering these require a fair amount of people to take part in, they're designed to die off.

Even being able to buy into these on a month by month basis for X amount of Paragon points it would make more sense than forcing people to pay $15 a month for it. I understand the plan. Give people free stuff up to a point, then hopefully they'll subscribe once they're hooked. It won't work like that. This really needs to be reconsidered.

Something seems off here Archanaville. I am currently a 5 year, 10 month vet and according to Beta I have 33 Reward Tokens. Am I misunderstanding your math?

I also have the mousemat, but i never bought the Gamestop version of the game either. Infact i had to go digital download as i had an EU account. The box version would have been useless for me.

I currently have the US version of Stateman that was given away with the US collectors of City of Villains as well as the EU version (US version has no cape).

But i never bought the US version of the game.

But if you imported the US collectors version, then yes, you have them available.

I was more referring to "general release". There will always be a person or 2 who go the extra mile to get what they wanted (for the version that they have).

I know EU people with EU accounts who have the *boxed* US version of Going Rogue, even though it was never released in the EU. All the general EU population had was digital download.

The fact of the matter is that it *wasn't* generally available to the EU population

Slighty back onto topic:

Glad to see the Logitech G13 get a mention, as i have one, and i have to admit i do like using it for CoX... at last i can easily get my keybinds layed out on the keyboard *as i like it*

No, you're not, but I cannot account for your 33 tokens based on the description in the OP. Based on what Positron said, you should have 25 tokens for five years (four for each three months plus a bonus token for a full year's sub), 3 tokens for at least nine months, at most 1 token for owning at least one boxed edition, and one more token that Zombie Man pointed out you get for tier 1. So that's 30. Either Positron's description is incomplete, or Beta's calculations are different than what Positron is describing. Given how much this has been in flux, its 50/50 either way.

With one more token for having a boxed edition code applied. It's not PER boxed edition. :P

Originally Posted by reiella Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .

Again: as discussed in the thread and as mentioned several times in the OP, the rewards listed above are what non-subscribers get unlocked automatically for no additional charge even if they are not subscribing and therefore not paying monthly to play the game.

Game CONTENT is ownable.

Game SYSTEMS are rentable. Kinda like how you can rent an apartment and own the furniture in it, but you don't own the electricity flowing through the wires or the water flowing through the pipe.

Game systems are side-switching, architect, inventions, incarnates. You can get a permanent license for the first, rent the second and third as a Premium and the last is available only to VIP's.

For your inventions, the rule is technically correct. You do NOT lose them. You lose the effect which is dancing with meanings, IMO, but it's up to the players to vote with their wallets on that one.

Moreover, the game allows for multiple builds so you CAN make a new build for your character either with no IO's or with the special scaling IO's purchased from the Market.

You may not like the options, but you do have multiple options as a Premium player. Pay a mini-subscription, buy from the market or wait for your reward level to get high enough. That's three more options than some games give you.

There's someting a bit wonky somewhere. I'm 6 years and have only 30 tokens. By Posi's numbers I should have 31 +1 if ZM is correct about getting a "free" one at Tier 1.

And I just checked, according to the Beta Server, I'm not a 6 year vet (no 6 year badge), though live says I am. Apparently it's not counting my most recent 72 month badge at all and not registering my 6th year, which would remove 2 tokens making the 30 correct.

No, that wont work. The buddy code is effectively the same code as the $2 sale.

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Samuel, please read the first post in this thread:

Guide: Premium Accounts and Paragon Rewards.

If you have any questions after reading it, feel free to send me a PM with your questions or post them in that thread.

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