Need Primary Help For /Kin

I am thinking of making another /Kinetics Controller. It has been a very long time since I played one. It's a Fire/ and the Fire/ has been over done. There are several new primaries available and since I'm starting from level 1, I thought it would be a good time to try something different.

Here are some of my general thoughts, in no paticilar order:

1) The only other Primary I am familiar with is Illusion Control. Lots of pets and, if I recall correctly, most of these pets are unbuffable with /Kin
2) Some Primaries have no pets, again a drawback for a /Kin
3) I've seen Plant Control. I don't know what to make of that set

Any information/suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you.

Mind/kin has pretty good synergy actually, in that transference, transfusion, and fulcrum shift do not break the sleep or the fear effects that form the bread and butter of mind control's mez powers. And therefore you can sleep the bad guys, or fear them, then run in and self-Buff, and then rip them up with your solid single target attack chain. Local Man doesnt like control sets where you cant throw around AOE damage like a boss, but its a great combo. You should try it in a duo or trio of mind/kins. Also, with enough recharge globally, you can get mass confusion perma and even non perma, aoe confuse works great with a kin. And with enough recharge you can do mass hypnosis to get containment for terrify damage then shortly throw mass hypnosis down again, then a fissure, rinse repeat.

So mind/kin has great synergy simply due to self safe buffing for its single target attack chain and its rapidly available damage-sensitive mez powers. Monkeys in a barrel, with you in the barrel, killing one monkey at a time ... but at the damage cap.

As for earth/kin, it has great synergy, especially while leveling up and in the endgame if you use the stone epic. At all levels, the defense debuffs in earth control powers makes the accuracy checks for kinetics much easier. Even if you hang back, youll more easily land your kin powers over and over to help your melee buddies. Earth control makes kinetics easier to play. At epic levels if you take stone, you have 2 melee attacks and a smashing/lethal shield. Mine is permahasten with s/l softcapping and she is a melee monster.

Synergy, indeed.

Lewis

My plant/kin can solo +4 X8 fire cyborgs. Don't really need seeds unless I want to be lazy. I wonder which one would be faster, fire or plant for something like that.

I'm sure fire could be faster in regular missions, but for an ambush farm, maybe plant.

Kin goes great with ANY Control primary because it has powers that a) Boost your damage (a weakness of controllers), and b) can give you +Recharge to get your AoEs back quickly.

What Kin does NOT have is a way to boost your own Defense or debuff enemy ToHit. You cannot give yourself mez protection with Kin. Also, it needs to hit enemies for a lot of the self buffs to work.

I think Earth/Kin would have good synergy, if just because Earth powers give the enemy -Defense.

Finally, having played Mind/Kin to 50, i can tell you that it's a beast. A bit light on AoE damage, true, but a lot of times you're too busy to notice.

Just joshing, Local.

Lewis

Fire/Kin is the best damager, Plant/Kin is imo overall very slightly better because you trade some damage for more safety, and Kin is pretty squishy and tend to draw some aggro.

Illu/Kin doesnt have amazing synergy but both sets are extremely strong. Phamtom Army cant be buffed but you can, Phatasm can, your team can, Patron Pets can, Lore Pets can... And Srain Speed let you reach perma PA very faster than other sets.

Earth/Kin is my favorite team Kin. It has incredibly AoE control, way beyond any other because multiple pseudo pets can affect groups over AoE target limit. Of course it tends to attract a lot of attention but your team is suppose to support you!

Mind/Kin is imo quite inferior because mind demands a lot of attention, so does Kinetics. It has no pets, doesnt have much AoE containment option (so its not amazing to buff yourself). I rather have 4 minutes buff sets types on Mind troller (or actually play Dom for mind).


Trollers will hate me for this but I also find Corruptors arguably better than trollers for Kin, Fire/Kin and Sonic/Kin corrs are very impressive.

The only two sets I'd say are not good pairs with /kin are illusion and mind, for many of the reasons listed above. Illusion is very much a ranged set, and kin wants you in melee, and aside from some +recharge, kin doesn't offer much for phantom army which is the reason illusion controllers are good.

Both mind control and kin rely on a lot of clicky abilities, which means you'll always have to choose between using kinetics or your mind abilities. Adding in that mind has sub-par AoE damage, and no pets to buff, and you can see there isn't a great deal of synergy.

I have a 50 plant/kin and he is very good, lots of fun and can solo pretty well. cant speak for other control powers but plant/kin was alot of fun for me to level up.