SG name change tokens - PLEASE


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I know this horse is dead and has been beaten many times over, but ...

Please give us the ability to buy rename tokens for SG's. I'm not asking for free unlimited name changes or anything, just the ability to purchase ONE through the Paragon Market or NC Store, or wherever.

This does't seem like too much to ask, does it?


 

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Since they implemented the Super Leader rank and officially made it the defacto owner of an SG and everything it possesses they eliminated any other claims other SG members used to have. So this should be possible.


 

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People have been suggesting some way to rename SGs for years now.

As Forbin_Project mentioned it seems very strange that they haven't done anything about this considering we now have the red star "super leader" position. Back before there was a single person in charge of a SG I could see where it may have been hard to determine who had absolute authority. But now that the Devs have changed things to make a single person the top boss it should be straightforward to allow that person total authority over changing a SG name.

We already know the Devs can change SG names if necessary because there have been several that were edited for being rude/vulgar. All we need is some mechanism to allow a SG superleader to do the same thing. If the Devs are worried that someone may do something bad with that ability then they could simply put some kind of timer on it that would allow a SG to change its name like only once a month or some-such to prevent overt griefing. Most people only want to change a name once to fix a spelling mistake or to re-launch an old group - that's all we really need out of this.


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I could go for this. I made a single-alt SG at one point, and gave it an appropriate name...but then I added several other characters on the same server, and now it's...less appropriate. I'd love to be able to change the name now, even if it costs me a bit.


 

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I'm so glad I'm not the only person who wants this. Like Laz, I would pay to do so. Sometimes people inherit SG's but either don't like the name, or the theme changes, or whatever. No reason to either disband the SG and lose all the prestige or suffer with a name that doesn't exactly fit.


 

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I would love to be able to rename one of my SG's.


 

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/signed.

Same deal as most here. Sometimes things change, and it would be nice for the person in charge to be able to rename the group as appropriate. Give it a "cool-down" time (i.e. once every three months), make it a purchasable token, whatever you like. I would just like the option.


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I misspelled my sg and didnt notice till it was pretty built up. I would very much like to rename it.


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Yep, this should be on the table ASAP... If I'm not mistaken it was hinted at being plausible (maybe even 'possibly upcoming'?) not long ago in a Con/Web video or post iirc.


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I would also like this. Over time, things in game change, toons change, people change.

Imagine a kid 15 years old beginning to play this game back in 04. Now, he'd be 22. Odds are whatever "Uber' name he came up with then, he's changed, and likely he'd want to change things up.

It's really not too much to ask.

Pay for it? Why? It's nothing more complicated than a global name change.
I'd say you get one change every 2 years or so. Make it another vet reward.


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Pay for it? Why? It's nothing more complicated than a global name change.
... which you can only pay for once, versus character name changes, which you do have to pay for.

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I'd say you get one change every 2 years or so. Make it another vet reward.
er...
(a) that'd be a lousy vet reward ("Yay, a SG name change... wait, I don't run any SGs, that's useless,") and
(b) vet rewards are going away, as you well know from your followon comment.

That said, yeah, I'd go for this. The only real problem I can think of for it - paid, especially - is making sure the person's not about to waste money on something they can't change. $10 just to see "You are not authorized to make this change - only the superleader can change the name" wouldn't go over well.


 

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Maybe they can make the name changeable via /petition from the SG's Super Leader?


 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
The only real problem I can think of for it - paid, especially - is making sure the person's not about to waste money on something they can't change. $10 just to see "You are not authorized to make this change - only the superleader can change the name" wouldn't go over well.
I can't really see the justification for making this something we'd have to pay extra for. MMOs generally charge for things like character name changes partly to make a little extra money but mainly to serve as a deterrent to keep people from doing it every five minutes. It's mostly just a method of controlling/limiting behavior.

The key difference between character name changes and SG name changes is the total number of times it's ever likely going to happen. Any player might potentially want to change a character's name at any time, but realistically only a small handful of SG Super Leaders would ever want to change their SG names, and most of those would likely only ever do it once. It's basically not something the Devs could ever expect to make -that- much money on regardless. Ironically that's probably also the main reason the Devs haven't gotten around to doing it yet either. Why prioritize a feature that may only be used a few hundred times total?

If this SG rename thing ever happens it'll most probably be implemented as a new command line command that only SG Super Leaders can use, and as a method of control it'll likely have a timer on it so it can't be used repeatedly as a form of griefing. That would be the easiest, least intrusive way to do it for the few players who'd ever make use of it.


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Maybe they can make the name changeable via /petition from the SG's Super Leader?
Players can already petition to have SG names changed but currently they only allow it if you can make the case that the name is rude and/or vulgar. A handful of SG names have been changed this way already.

What we really need is some method to allow for automatic name changes that don't involve an Admin having to manually do a database edit. This would let people change a SG name for -any- reason without having to waste a human's time with a manual petition.


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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
(a) that'd be a lousy vet reward ("Yay, a SG name change... wait, I don't run any SGs, that's useless,")
The same can be said about the vet rewards that give players access to

Wall Posters
Display Cases
Arachnos/Longbow Flyers

Which are solely for base decorations.


Don't get me wrong tho I agree that it's a lousy vet reward, just pointing out that there's precedence.


 

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/Signed. Should have happened ages ago.


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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
The same can be said about the vet rewards that give players access to

Wall Posters
Display Cases
Arachnos/Longbow Flyers

Which are solely for base decorations.


Don't get me wrong tho I agree that it's a lousy vet reward, just pointing out that there's precedence.
Except that those can be added via "Add personal items." Would YOU want to have everyone in your SG able to change the name?


 

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Except that those can be added via "Add personal items." Would YOU want to have everyone in your SG able to change the name?
Do you like random SG members adding crap to the base you spent hours designing so it looks just right?

There's two solutions to the SG rename token problem you are describing.

1. The token can't be used unless the player is flagged as being the SG Leader in an SG.

2. The token can only be bought by an SG Leader. They could add a button somewhere in the SG management screens (Buy SG Rename Token)


 

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What happens when a SG Super Leader buys one of these supposed SG rename tokens while they are a Super Leader then for some reason doesn't try to use it until they are no longer Super Leader? Why would a non Super Leader be able to hold onto one of these tokens? There's all these "what-if" problems they'd have to deal with trying to make a SG rename something that's related to money and/or the rename token concept.

You've got to remember that the ability to rename a SG is never going to be as wide-spread or common as a typical character rename. There's really no point in the Devs trying to "institutionalize" it as a fully-fledged rename token that's going to make them any serious money at all. I'd be surprised if this feature, whatever form it takes, was ever used more than a few hundred times total. If this feature -ever- happens it's going to be done in a way that's far simpler and takes the least amount of Dev effort to accomplish. They aren't likely going to make a whole new type of token for it or change any GUIs. A command line command only usable by a Super Leader on a simple timer fits the bill perfectly.


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Do you like random SG members adding crap to the base you spent hours designing so it looks just right?
Seem to recall that being a "reward" in some SGs, actually....


 

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What happens when a SG Super Leader buys one of these supposed SG rename tokens while they are a Super Leader then for some reason doesn't try to use it until they are no longer Super Leader?
Simple. In this scenario they can't hold onto a token. It's a service that has to be used when it is bought.

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Why would a non Super Leader be able to hold onto one of these tokens?
If it's done as a token why wouldn't a player be able to carry an unused token? We can carry respec tokens, costume change tokens, etc. As long as it can only be used if the person is flagged as a Super Leader who cares.


 

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Seem to recall that being a "reward" in some SGs, actually....
Hey if that's how they run their SG's I say more power to them and I hope it works out without any conflict.

But that's an internal matter worked out between players.


 

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Simple. In this scenario they can't hold onto a token. It's a service that has to be used when it is bought.
You and I both know that someone, somewhere would scream bloody murder if they ever bought a token that at some point was either taken away by the system or was otherwise rendered unusable.

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If it's done as a token why wouldn't a player be able to carry an unused token? We can carry respec tokens, costume change tokens, etc. As long as it can only be used if the person is flagged as a Super Leader who cares.
Again I'm looking at it from a "use versus utility" point of view. If you figure there would (very likely) only ever be a few hundred SG renames needed why would the Devs bother making an entirely new token to handle that? They wouldn't have to worry about a "token" and the rules related to how it would work if they didn't bother having SG rename tokens in the first place.

Basically coming up with a unique SG rename token is a complete overkill of effort for the problem at hand. You're proposing a 15 bedroom mansion for a situation that only needs a 2 bedroom apartment. The Devs would probably even favor a "quiet" command line command solution from the point of view of keeping SG renames to a minimum. If they made a flashy SG rename token available in the upcoming Paragon Market then everyone would be encouraged to do it on a relative whim. By keeping it "under the radar" with an available yet unflashy command line command then the few people who really wanted it could get it and the Devs wouldn't have to spend any extra time messing around with it. A simple timer that would only allow one rename for a SG per month is the only "control mechanism" you'd need for this.


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You and I both know that someone, somewhere would scream bloody murder if they ever bought a token that at some point was either taken away by the system or was otherwise rendered unusable.
Please if the devs gave everyone solid gold bricks some idjit would be complaining that they didn't give him a wheelbarrow to carry them in.

There's some good examples in this thread.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=268518

I'm particularly amused by the argument that someone can sue the game for past sub fees because switching to F2P is against the law.