Where are the Thornified Rikti?
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Posted on: 2011-07-29 10:23 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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The Rikti destoyed the gods of their world and purged magic and nature from their culture, and turned their entire being into something abberant. No self-respecting Oranbegan would be caught dead inhabiting a Rikti body, especially if it had no ability to use magic and connect with the supernatural. In addition, the Rikti psychic network would probably pick up on the foreign presence and purge it quickly unless precautions were made.|
Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
The question that comes to mind is this - With the Rikti weakness against magic, are we really to assume that Oranbega never took any captives? Are we further to assume that there weren't any Oranbegan mystics who took an interest in studying what it would be like to inhabit one of these extra-dimensional monsters who, despite appearances, were very much like the people of our world from a metaphysical standpoint?
Where are the Rikti that ended up with a soul thorn implanted? Even if most of them died, I'd bet that a handful managed to survive the trauma. Nowadays, they even have their own wizards, though admittedly I think that those are supposed to be primal earth humans who have been mutated rather than home-grown Rikti who taught themselves magic. |
As for the Circle taking captives, I do think they try and catch Rikti for sacrifice when the two forces collide. There's at least one mission where that happens somewhere in the game.
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Do you mean I21 Thornified Rikti? Becasue if you do, the mothership in the RWZ is quite likely to just be one of their shoulder pads.
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At least some Rikti have learned magic from the COT ... though I think the ones who have done so are transformed humans ... still there's no reason to assume the COT could not take possession of a Rikti Magus ... (given the Rikti weakness to magic I am not convinced they could expunge a possessing COT from a Rikti.)
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Originally Posted by TheDeepBlue
The Rikti destoyed the gods of their world and purged magic and nature from their culture, and turned their entire being into something abberant. No self-respecting Oranbegan would be caught dead inhabiting a Rikti body, especially if it had no ability to use magic and connect with the supernatural. In addition, the Rikti psychic network would probably pick up on the foreign presence and purge it quickly unless precautions were made.
As for the Circle taking captives, I do think they try and catch Rikti for sacrifice when the two forces collide. There's at least one mission where that happens somewhere in the game. |
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Where are the Thornified Rikti?
Good question, also where are the Devoured Rikti and Rikti Ghosts?
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DE Guardians are captured Rikti Drones.|
Originally Posted by Nos482
Where are the Thornified Rikti?
Good question, also where are the Devoured Rikti and Rikti Ghosts? |
Rikti Ghosts are being held captive by Ghost Widow.
CoT don't take kindly to Rikti around here?
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Actually I'd say that Devoured Rikti would look like the normal Devoured we see, so there'd be no way to tell. The Devoured don't seem to retain their speech patterns once they are changed: a Troll DE would sound the same as a Crey Scientist DE.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
DE Guardians are captured Rikti Drones.
Rikti Ghosts are being held captive by Ghost Widow. |
As for Rikti Ghosts ... it depends on what ghosts are. If you have to have some kind of personal magic to manifest as a ghost then it's no surprise there are no ghost Rikti ... or if they don't believe in an Afterlife maybe they just dissipate upon death.
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Ah, but they are psychic, but since they're on a network, maybe their consciousness is absorbed into the network upon death?
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Originally Posted by BlueBattler
As for Rikti Ghosts ... it depends on what ghosts are. If you have to have some kind of personal magic to manifest as a ghost then it's no surprise there are no ghost Rikti ... or if they don't believe in an Afterlife maybe they just dissipate upon death.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Do you mean I21 Thornified Rikti? Becasue if you do, the mothership in the RWZ is quite likely to just be one of their shoulder pads.
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If Nemesis planned to exploit the Rikti overmind and we assume that being a genius, he knew that he could actually accomplish it, then I have to conclude that the Overmind probably isn't all that well suited to expelling a non-Rikti thought pattern.
It seems more likely to me that the Overmind would fail to communicate with the offending Oranbegan mind. Sort of like if you had an iPhone and you wiped the iOS and replaced it with Linux. Theoretically, you could still use it as a smart phone but you'd have a difficult to impossible time trying to interface to the iTunes Store and any legitimate iPhone data network and if you did you wouldn't be able to use the apps anyway.
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The Rikti had mediporters when they arrived. Nobody took any prisoners.
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Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
The question that comes to mind is this - With the Rikti weakness against magic, are we really to assume that Oranbega never took any captives?
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OTOH, the CoT can use magic to intercept mediporters. It is possible they developed that magecraft during the war.
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
The Rikti had mediporters when they arrived. Nobody took any prisoners.
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Do we really know that? With stuff in the lore about how thousands of Rikti were killed in action doing this or that, I tend to believe that the mediporter is strictly a primal earth innovation. Maybe even strictly a Paragon City innovation; like the police drones. They're engineered from Rikti tech, but not directly copied from it.
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
The Rikti had mediporters when they arrived. Nobody took any prisoners.
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OR it's just like the way it is here; expensive, risky, and prone to overload such that only particular and particularly valuable individuals have access at all. You no more give every conscript a heinously valuable piece of limited-infrastructure lifesaving equipment than you send CSAR for every lost soldier.
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Ah, so their Rikti prisoners simply can't be bothered to break out of their mission map's Circle of Thorns Jail Room. And, really, who can blame them.
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
OTOH, the CoT can use magic to intercept mediporters. It is possible they developed that magecraft during the war.
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The job of Rikti Priests is to do exactly that.|
Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
Riktified Leviathan in I-22? Scary!
If Nemesis planned to exploit the Rikti overmind and we assume that being a genius, he knew that he could actually accomplish it, then I have to conclude that the Overmind probably isn't all that well suited to expelling a non-Rikti thought pattern. |
Very rare critter for some reason. Dunno why they don't spawn like other bosses.
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I'm pretty sure the med-porters were made from Rikti tech.
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Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
Do we really know that? With stuff in the lore about how thousands of Rikti were killed in action doing this or that, I tend to believe that the mediporter is strictly a primal earth innovation. Maybe even strictly a Paragon City innovation; like the police drones. They're engineered from Rikti tech, but not directly copied from it.
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It's one of those many grey areas where we don't really know. We don't even really know how the mediporters work. It's left to individual taste and imagination.|
Originally Posted by Santorican
I'm pretty sure the med-porters were made from Rikti tech.
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We know that Rikti portal technology led to the creation of the mediporters. That's all. The rest is non-specific, unless you know something I don't.
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Why? The Rikti you see are almost invariably the frontline forces. Even the most well-built Rikti base on Primal is basically a glorified FoB deep in enemy-held territory. You don't see Priests that often for the same reason you don't see logistics officers, electronic reconnaisance outfits, and surgeons; they are valuable individuals who are at considerable risk for little gain when put in danger of fighting. Padres aren't a combat corps, after all.|
Originally Posted by TheDeepBlue
The job of Rikti Priests is to do exactly that.
Very rare critter for some reason. Dunno why they don't spawn like other bosses. |
The Rikti that aren't just soldiers, like the Guardians and Communications Officers, are there because it is just the nature of their tasks that many of them are very much deep in the fighting, in the manner of a combat engineer or attached medic.
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Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
It's one of those many grey areas where we don't really know. We don't even really know how the mediporters work. It's left to individual taste and imagination.
We know that Rikti portal technology led to the creation of the mediporters. That's all. The rest is non-specific, unless you know something I don't. |
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| The Medical Teleporter is based on recovered Rikti technology, and will teleport you to safety if you are defeated. |
That's really the only thing I could find by doing searches on ParagonWiki.
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Yeah, as Venture recently put it, the mediporter is there to provide "script immunity" for our characters. There are few details about how the whole thing works or its implementation because we typically don't care. As long as we can wave our hands, say "Yeah, it's Rikti stuff" and get back to beating up bad guys, that's good enough for most purposes.
Discussions like this we're mostly left to invent for ourselves whatever details make our individual gaming experiences feel fun.
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I just assumed the Rikti have no soul to posses and are so foreign that they can't be devoured.
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Originally Posted by Nos482
Where are the Thornified Rikti?
Good question, also where are the Devoured Rikti and Rikti Ghosts? |
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The teleportation isn't even the most amazing thing about it! The really amazing thing about Paragon City's medical system is that the average hospital stay for a near-fatal injury is ca. 11 seconds. |
Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
Yeah, as Venture recently put it, the mediporter is there to provide "script immunity" for our characters.
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That's because of: [link]
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
The teleportation isn't even the most amazing thing about it! The really amazing thing about Paragon City's medical system is that the average hospital stay for a near-fatal injury is ca. 11 seconds.
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| Once they get there, they find themselves rejuvenated by hospital beds that repair damage at a cellular level using a system inspired by the Rikti transmogrification vats. |
So, during the War, the Rikti delved too deep and too greedily and found themselves unexpectedly battling Oranbega underground.
This was a good thing for the world, despite the later consequences of waking up the Oranbegans and the CoT, since it distracted the Rikti and helped make Alpha/Omega day possible.
The question that comes to mind is this - With the Rikti weakness against magic, are we really to assume that Oranbega never took any captives? Are we further to assume that there weren't any Oranbegan mystics who took an interest in studying what it would be like to inhabit one of these extra-dimensional monsters who, despite appearances, were very much like the people of our world from a metaphysical standpoint?
Where are the Rikti that ended up with a soul thorn implanted? Even if most of them died, I'd bet that a handful managed to survive the trauma. Nowadays, they even have their own wizards, though admittedly I think that those are supposed to be primal earth humans who have been mutated rather than home-grown Rikti who taught themselves magic.