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Originally Posted by Ardrea
No, organizers don't have to just accept any and every attendee to their events
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Originally Posted by Xanatos
They do if their events are PUBLIC.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Will you be policing this for everyone?
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Yes, thanks for sending me an "I Told You So" for an event you had nothing to do with. You've accomplished so much.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
So yeah.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
I just mean that a lot of this is subjective. Sure, there will be some trolls who deliberately grief, but a lot of what you've laid out comes down to personal preference and playstyle. Different people have different definitions of what does and does not constitute what you've identified.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Yes, thanks for sending me an "I Told You So" for an event you had nothing to do with. You've accomplished so much.
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While this may come off negatively, I'm not looking for trust. I'm on Virtue to roleplay, and have fun while doing it. If this incident results in you avoiding any and all scenes or instances with me, I'm deeply sorry. I like roleplaying, so I'll continue to do it.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
You know, I generally respect when people are honest and admit to things, but this particular admission comes with losing any normal amount of trust.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Sorry. I hope your next one goes better.
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However I do not appreciate having your posts dangled in front of me when I clearly put too much faith in the social status of this game. It went poorly. People did exactly what you said they'd do. Thanks. I didn't realize that before, during, or after the event.
Sarcasm aside, I know I haven't been the most accepting gent in this thread. But seriously, something a little more constructive than "Look, I totally called it" would be nice.
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I had fun.
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May I ask who you were on as? I'm positive I'd recognize you, but maybe you arrived after I left.
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Originally Posted by High_Jinks
I had fun.
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Random tangent - how was the venue? Can the MC hold a lot of people? Did it seem suited to a networking event? Would you use it again?
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The venue was pretty well suited to the event, actually. Lots of room, individual areas for people to go if they wanted to split off, good capacity. Didn't see any lag or anything. I'd use it again, if the opportunity called for it.
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Originally Posted by Xanatos
Random tangent - how was the venue? Can the MC hold a lot of people? Did it seem suited to a networking event? Would you use it again?
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Haha, what I was specifically quoting and replying to has nothing to do with role-play.|
Originally Posted by SentinelBeta
While this may come off negatively, I'm not looking for trust. I'm on Virtue to roleplay, and have fun while doing it. If this incident results in you avoiding any and all scenes or instances with me, I'm deeply sorry. I like roleplaying, so I'll continue to do it.
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... I'll acknowledge that I troll and grief, but I wasn't aiming to do that for that meet and greet. |
A part-time jerk is generally a jerk, period.
And, just for the record, I'm not writing names down or filing away profiles of people or anything. For all I know, we could become great friends (or already are) or whatever.
I'm just calling it how I see it.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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For reference, some of us who have posted in here have been RPing for a very, very long time. Even "very long" in the context of CoH. Maybe I'm just a big grump, and overly cynical--but I cut my roleplaying teeth on the ins and outs under Atlas, and then Galaxy City. |
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Thank you, I appreciate that.
However I do not appreciate having your posts dangled in front of me when I clearly put too much faith in the social status of this game. It went poorly. People did exactly what you said they'd do. Thanks. I didn't realize that before, during, or after the event. Sarcasm aside, I know I haven't been the most accepting gent in this thread. But seriously, something a little more constructive than "Look, I totally called it" would be nice. |
Some nights, we'd have fifty or more people, of all sorts and stripes. I've seen a lot of good and bad roleplay. Frankly, I'm probably personally responsible for some not-so-bad and really-awful roleplay. Your thread is fine, and your intent is noble--but you can't hold a public event and expect to police out the folks that you disagree with. You might as well try roleplaying a bouncer in Pocket D.
So, take what you learned from your first event, and apply it to your second. Anyone of us who have ever run a public RP event has gone through the same trials you have.
Best wishes.
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I wasn't present at the event in question, but I have RPed for years with some of the cats on trial here. They're some of my favorite folks in the game. I can guarantee all you roleplayers that Johnny Turbo's backstory is WAY more fleshed-out than yours, lol.
Not everyone RPs super-serious characters. And you know what? NOT ALL COMIC BOOK SUPERHEROES ARE SUPER-SERIOUS EITHER. I would frankly give up on roleplaying as the most boring pastime ever if Galactoman couldn't get drunk and and act a fool at parties... but I've NEVER encountered this kind of angry reaction before, to be honest.
For me there's a very solid distinction between "griefing" and roleplaying as a character who happens to be a jerk (Or a "fratboy", which I can't help but think is just a nerdy way of describing people who are able to go out, get drunk, and have a good time, lol). If you don't know how to respond to a particular type of character-behavior while you yourself are in-character, THEN YOU NEED TO THINK HARDER ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER. It speaks very badly of your skills has a writer and RPer if someone else's RP can cause your character to lock up like an aging computer, forcing you to resort to blocking and/or OOC name-calling. Heck, think of it as a writing exercise: "How WOULD so-and-so react to a drunken, arrogant superhero?"
If you're at a bar, having a pleasant conversation, and a drunken friend, acquaintance, or even stranger starts being crazy on the other side of the room, it doesn't ruin your night. Usually you just shake your head, laugh, and continue your conversation. In fact, this pretty much happens ALL THE TIME. Have you guys ever been to a bar? Other than Pocket D, of course. :P
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This isn't directed at Nalrok_AthZim, because he totally seems like a level-headed dude who was simply caught off-guard. I've run quite a few public RP events over the years, and I know first-hand that it can get hectic quick, with /tells flying fast and furious while you're trying to also carry on three conversations in-character and ALSO exist in the real world of food and bathroom-breaks and phone-calls, and any disruption can throw you completely off your game. I have been there.
Nalrok_AthZim seems to be willing to give this another go, which I think would be a great thing. His initial idea of trying to kick-start the RP community back into action is commendable. But I would really love to see everyone try to get along, even with people who might not play the game the same way that they do, otherwise the word "community" starts to lose its meaning.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Thank you, I appreciate that.
However I do not appreciate having your posts dangled in front of me when I clearly put too much faith in the social status of this game. It went poorly. People did exactly what you said they'd do. Thanks. I didn't realize that before, during, or after the event. Sarcasm aside, I know I haven't been the most accepting gent in this thread. But seriously, something a little more constructive than "Look, I totally called it" would be nice. |
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Thank you for the sound advice. I find that people usually don't have a lot of things to say in situations like this. I respect you for actually offering up advice and not heeding my inherent grumpiness. |
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
For reference, some of us who have posted in here have been RPing for a very, very long time. Even "very long" in the context of CoH. Maybe I'm just a big grump, and overly cynical--but I cut my roleplaying teeth on the ins and outs under Atlas, and then Galaxy City.
Some nights, we'd have fifty or more people, of all sorts and stripes. I've seen a lot of good and bad roleplay. Frankly, I'm probably personally responsible for some not-so-bad and really-awful roleplay. Your thread is fine, and your intent is noble--but you can't hold a public event and expect to police out the folks that you disagree with. You might as well try roleplaying a bouncer in Pocket D. So, take what you learned from your first event, and apply it to your second. Anyone of us who have ever run a public RP event has gone through the same trials you have. Best wishes. |
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I was on as First Player.
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By the way your costume (and all of the ones you make) kick ***.
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Overall, I had a blast. Especially got a kick out of being called "Pharaoh."
I don't begrudge the "frat boys." They came to do what we all came to do: Socialize.
I do begrudge the people that couldn't just ignore it if they didn't like it. It seemed like once the frats came out, a bunch of people bailed. I tried to keep going, but the crowd had all but died, and Paladin formed up the Tin Mage. And my warshade can't turn down a good IC TF.
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Go back and read the first post in this thread, the one where the organizer set out the ground rules for the event. In it he referred to the other threads here where people were "asking for a new breed of RP" and he followed by listing the general "Things/concepts the meeting can do without". It seems to me you're quibbling that because it's not technically possibly for a player to exclude someone from his chosen location, that he's in the wrong to set rules for his own event. |
Originally Posted by Xanatos
They do if their events are PUBLIC.
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That's pure nonsense.
He can, he did, and other people inadvertently didn't follow them. The only concern here is how to do better next time, not to give up and let his events be redefined by minorities of players who just show up, or worse, retreat back into private spaces.
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In before Heat or Voltium reply:
You reporting them will be laughed at. They weren't TROLLS, but more so just playing to their character's personality. You obviously got your knickers in a bunch. |
I'll let you in on a little secret, Rintera. For the most part, the groups we play in are pretty closed off. Reporting us to our superiors will usually result in a laugh between friends because, hey, we all like each other, who cares what others think? I'd also like to point out that we are not indicative of our friends. Don't rush off to blacklist all of our friends just because of us.
Have fun all, and don't take this so seriously, it's bad for your health.
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Originally Posted by Galactoman
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Not everyone RPs super-serious characters. And you know what? NOT ALL COMIC BOOK SUPERHEROES ARE SUPER-SERIOUS EITHER. I would frankly give up on roleplaying as the most boring pastime ever if Galactoman couldn't get drunk and and act a fool at parties... but I've NEVER encountered this kind of angry reaction before, to be honest. For me there's a very solid distinction between "griefing" and roleplaying as a character who happens to be a jerk ... If you don't know how to respond to a particular type of character-behavior while you yourself are in-character, THEN YOU NEED TO THINK HARDER ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER. It speaks very badly of your skills has a writer and RPer if someone else's RP can cause your character to lock up like an aging computer, forcing you to resort to blocking and/or OOC name-calling. Heck, think of it as a writing exercise: "How WOULD so-and-so react to a drunken, arrogant superhero?" If you're at a bar, having a pleasant conversation, and a drunken friend, acquaintance, or even stranger starts being crazy on the other side of the room, it doesn't ruin your night. Usually you just shake your head, laugh, and continue your conversation. In fact, this pretty much happens ALL THE TIME. ... |
Neither you nor I were there for whatever people were complaining about, of course, but I'm not calling anyone out on anything that they haven't admitted to.
The "frat boy" thing or whatever, that makes no difference to me.
I will say one thing though, just because we can role-play any possible situations and characters doesn't mean we don't have the capability to pick and choose our stages OOCly.
I have characters of a ton of different personality and style types.
If I am knowingly showing up to join in on someone's attempt at gathering RPers of a certain ilk... I'm respectful enough to take that into consideration and approach things in kind. Again, that could include charging into a serious meeting of scholarly wizards with a drunken sailor, as it may open up wonderful RP opportunities.
I just don't want anyone confusing anything I'm saying as blacklisting any certain types of IC persona nor that unexpected encounters shouldn't happen within RP.
It's all fun when you ROLE with it (*adjust bow tie*).
Still, if you take a look at the origin of this event, it is not surprising that some regulars (according to what people are saying about their tenure here) may have veered things away from those initial intentions.
The reason for this gathering was because of some dissatisfaftion with the status quo.
It sounds, to me, that this event was a success, Nal.
And, I'd just say that the organizer should definitely take it upon themselves to communicate OOCly to people and try and to make things work.
One of the bad things about being the party-thrower is that your fun is often times sacrificed for everyone else's.
Instead of shrinking away and/or bailing, I would suggest trying to communicate to everyone to get along.
I only say this as a friendly bit of advice... not a YOUR DOING IT RONG sort of hindsight schooling!
Again, sounds like a success.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
Wow. It always amuses me when people confuse IC behavior with OOC behavior. If everyone is invited, then don't be surprised if you get the part of everyone that you don't like.
So basically... everything that Xan said.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Overall, I had a blast. Especially got a kick out of being called "Pharaoh."
I don't begrudge the "frat boys." They came to do what we all came to do: Socialize. I do begrudge the people that couldn't just ignore it if they didn't like it. It seemed like once the frats came out, a bunch of people bailed. I tried to keep going, but the crowd had all but died, and Paladin formed up the Tin Mage. And my warshade can't turn down a good IC TF. |
We need more RP gathering that is not of the typical ilk, followed by IC adventure. As we've always done!
I suppose i need to log on to do that though, eh?
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Wrong quote. XD
By the way your costume (and all of the ones you make) kick ***. |
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Originally Posted by Ardrea
It seems to me you're quibbling that because it's not technically possibly for a player to exclude someone from his chosen location, that he's in the wrong to set rules for his own event.
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That's pure nonsense.
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Hardly something worth posting IMO.
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Originally Posted by Ardrea
He can, he did, and other people inadvertently didn't follow them.
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So your "advice" can be summed up as follows:
1. Live in a pretend world where people do what you tell them to.
2. Make up completely pointless rules.
3. Pretend that public RP events operate like private ones.
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Originally Posted by Ardrea
The only concern here is how to do better next time, not to give up and let his events be redefined by minorities of players who just show up, or worse, retreat back into private spaces.
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"redefined by minorities" - excuse me? Are you, in writing this, somehow implying that roleplaying styles enjoyed by minorities are some how inferior, or illegitimate? That is a dangerously elitist thing to say.
"who just show up" - excuse me? That was the whole point of this event. To "just show up" and roleplay.
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Ok, small update here, I was actually on that run with Paladin (Archery Blaster named Shujissa). Secondly, it was more than just 3 people that 'crashed' the event. I counted a good 7 or 8 at least. I only left after trying to hold a simple conversation became impossible. Its easy to ignore others, but as someone said, if they show up to a public event that someone went through the trouble to plan and organize, they should have the decency to not be total ***** if they show up. Volt wasnt really that bad that I remember. Character had a bit of an ego, but that is how that character is. He joined in on the 'frat party' once it really started going, never said he started it. Honestly, without chat logs to show how things progressed, its a lot of guess work and pointing fingers as to who did what. I do remember one funny moment that came from all the people running in though. Whoever the second Spider was, walked up to the table and emoted pounding on it, saying "Lazy people get up now!" in a Russian accent.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Overall, I had a blast. Especially got a kick out of being called "Pharaoh."
I don't begrudge the "frat boys." They came to do what we all came to do: Socialize. I do begrudge the people that couldn't just ignore it if they didn't like it. It seemed like once the frats came out, a bunch of people bailed. I tried to keep going, but the crowd had all but died, and Paladin formed up the Tin Mage. And my warshade can't turn down a good IC TF. |
Also, I was one of the people that sent Nalrok a PM, but never mentioned the event was ruined. I just mentioned that people running in acting the way they were is proboly why a lot of people stick to RPing in bases (beyond the normal clique stuff). More of an 'oh well' response than anything.
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Originally Posted by Voehler
Whoever the second Spider was, walked up to the table and emoted pounding on it, saying "Lazy people get up now!" in a Russian accent.
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See, I tried to adapt to that bit of RP, roll with the punches, but the immediate reply was "HEY DON'T SMASH THE PIZZA AND BEER."
So I guess I threw a pizza and beer party, all things considered.
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I'll acknowledge that I troll and grief, but I wasn't aiming to do that for that meet and greet.
Not specifically to SentinelBeta:
Also (again I was not there), when you show up to something in progress, it's pretty much common sense to approach things respectfully and see how you can merge/fit into what others may already be enjoying.
Yes, sometimes that can absolutely include storming in with a completely different vibe than already exists.
However, storming in and plopping down to go AFK isn't the most considerate thing I've ever heard of.
I know it is beyond some people's ability, but a little bit of consideration and respect can go a long way towards making the world a little more tolerable.
And yes, this is all talking about the OOC approach.
We are all knowingly people trying to create some fun together and, if you learned about this event OOCly, you don't have to race into it ICly without any OOC concern.
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan