IC/OOC Meet and Greet

Nice to see you are trying to make good with them and all, but really I don't think they deserve it. Everyone was having fun, and the event was going great, then the frat party started out of nowhere, and people were spamming AOE powers on everyone. It went from fun to "Where is my freaking beer and pizza?!" and people doing the collapse emote on the round table. I tried to stick around for a little after that all started to try to continue a conversation with people but the spam and idiocy just got to be too much.

Thanks for the fun, but as I said before, I really don't think the idiots deserve any decency.

Glad to see you on the forums, Waret! And thanks for coming, you and Voehler.

Voehler, who were you on as?

I was there on Arsenic Widow.

I don't remember someone using AoE powers, but maybe that was before I showed up. Also, to avoid drama (or inevitably start it) one of those "frat boys" was me. 'Sup? I'm Voltium.

Without further being a dick, did anyone consider the personalities of the character and the personality of the player being polar opposites? For instance, virtueverse is great in the fact that it allows you to describe the personality of a character. Yeah, Volt might have been shouting for beer and pizza, but before that I was doing some legitimate roleplay that barely got a response (and no - the beer and pizza thing was not a means to grab attention. That was still genuine, if not "immature by some of your standards" roleplay)

If you have a problem with me, tell me it to my face. It's how I go about my offline life.
Sorry for those who didn't come, it was enjoyable while it lasted.

Hello all! I am "frat boy" numero dos, Heatpulse!

I think Volt's already summed it up pretty nicely, but I wanted to address one thing, one of the "golden rules" of RP if you will. There are always going to be griefers and there will always be people who's RP is not up to the level of seriousness and maturity that some people require (sad that some people won't loosen up, but what are you going to do?). The thing is, these people can usually be ignored (not necessarily /ignored, mind you). Now, this takes a certain level of OOC maturity to do, but I like to think that the average player is mature enough OOC to ignore annoying people IC. I've already talked to Nalrok about this, but I thought I'd repeat it here.

Another thing I wanted to address was this:

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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim I had about 9 people let me know in /tells that they were upset due to the players causing the whole mess,

Seriously people? I don't know whether that was cowardice, or just not wanting to get involved, but either way that's just stupid of you. Yeah, I'm calling you stupid, know why? Because rather than try to salvage the event, you just ran off to find something else to do. I do feel bad for busting up Nalrok's event, but at the same time, if you guys weren't willing to tough it out, then you're equally to blame in my eyes. I might be contradicting myself here in that I started off by saying you should ignore people like us, and now I'm saying confront us, but if people are being that annoying, a polite /tell can work wonders. If not, at least you can say you tried.

This post is a little bit more antagonistic and confrontational than Volt's, but it was intended to shock you into realizing that you could have done more than tell Nalrok his event was ruined as you left. That helps nothing, people.

I only had a few comments from my limited experiences, and Xan pretty much covered everything nicely. What's griefing for some is still participation for others. I guess I didn't do a good job of explaining that in my first post in this thread.

Fire Wyrm being a bad boy again!

Just wanted to clear a few things up here.

1. People running AOE powers - Someone had Shadow Fall on, but as they were on the other side of the table, it was just hitting me and one other person. There was one or two other things being fired off, but this one was constantly on.

2. The 'pizza and beer' comment was not only directed at Voltium (yes you were saying that, but many people joined in). The mood of things was getting kind of serious, and it is nice to see some people able to bring a character that can joke around. The whole event kind of deteriorated into that little party though. As I said before, we went from having a conversation to people collapsing on the round table. I halfway expected to see people swinging from chandoliers.

3. Ignoring greifers - As I said in my first post, I did try to ignore the whole thing to have an IC conversation with the giant spider (I think his name was Moppet something, drawing a total blank on it), which was going ok until another person butted in with more of the 'pizza and beer' comments. I even tried to brush it off in character, but they kept going with it. Also, from past experiances, sending greifers a tell asking them to knock it off (regardless of how polite you try to make it sound), is not going to work. If someone wants to show up to be an ***, saying "please stop" is not going to work. The few times I have tried that in the past, its usually met with some form of leet-speak idiocy of how they can do what they want. Never had other RP-ers crash the party though, at least til now.

It sounds like public RP events aren't for you Voehler.

I'd like to clarify something: I did, in fact, ignore the players in question. I pulled out of my own event without saying a word (chat logs to prove it, too) and went out to participate in a positively amazing RP Tin Mage TF with Paladin, Dechs and a few wonderful others. While that didn't stop me from getting up the next morning with a stomach ache and taking it out on the forums with my admittedly-hasty post against Heat and Volt here, I still kept my cool during the event and took it upon myself to call it early and move on.

Apparently beef ribs, heartburn and 9AM don't mix well with me. I've apologized for my post, will do better to organize a more accepting event in the future, and sincerely hope they won't come to a conclusion that's anything like the one I saw this past weekend.

Now I'm gonna do this again soon. Maybe the crowd from this original attempt ('fratboy' types included) would like to give this a second go with a little more levelheadedness on my part.

Actually guys, the two people who crashed the party (not saying their names)

don't just play the "Fratboy" type. one switches varyingly between that and an actual troll, on occasion...and he has been reported to his superiors in his SG, which I used to be in...before he ever was, so the leader is a friend of mine.

the other one has also been reported to the team captains and leaders of his SG, as they're rather prestigious in that they're picky about their application process(my character got denied for not being tights+cape and HEROIIIIC)

so....I'm sure they don't want people tarnishing their reputation by playing trolling fratboys.

However...next time there's a public event and there are griefers(I mean if they're griefing via powers and NOT rpers, well....report them for harassment?)

but if it's RPers that crash it and have trolling personalities...just block them or move to a different location.

Well, I was not around this weekend to make it to this, but I would love to try and make it to other future ones.

As for the problems that arose, I can't comment on any of the particulars, as I wasn't there, but Xanatos certainly posted an excellent bit of advice for running a public event (again, saying that without defending anyone, as I was not there).

I know not everyone is quite comfortable with doing so, but I am a firm believer in saying something over just letting things happen that are against my liking.
A just-moved-in neighbor was planning to chop down a huge, old oak tree. My family was all pissed, but resigned (hey, it's that guy's tree now, what can we do).
I never met him before, but I walked over, knocked on the door and politely asked him to reconsider as it was a beautiful tree and older than both he and I and really contributed to the nice view for not only himself, but for the surrounding neighbors.
He could have slammed the door in my face or whatever reaction he wished, I was prepared for that.
He was kind and greeted me and said he didn't want the leaves falling on his driveway.
The next day, the tree guys came... But when I came home later in the day, the tree was still there with just a few branches trimmed back.

He told me, "I walked out the next morning, looked up and thought to myself... That is a beautiful tree".

No idea why I really went into detail about this...
Other than to suggest... speak up (politely)... and/or use a jedi mindtrick (did I leave that part out?).


Also... Running content with Dechs and Paladin is always fun RP action!
Wish I was there!

In my opinion, just being in character, no matter how technically correct or skillfully done, is not sufficient cause to spoil others' time. But if you don't know that's happening, what can you do?

No, organizers don't have to just accept any and every attendee to their events; they put the effort into developing, scheduling, and running the; and have a reasonable expectation for them to take place within those bounds. To go along with that, there's a responsibility to make sure attendees know, OOCly, what the expectations are.

The ones in discussion here would probably (I'm acquainted with several of them) have dealt with the situation much the way Electric-Knight's neighbor did. Griefing has to have some malicious intent behind it, and I don't think they brought that with them. They likely were invited or notified about the event from another attendee, because if they'd read these forums, and had followed up the various posts Nalrok had read that motivated him to organize it, then they'd have seen that the whole point of the event was to be more serious, a little more solemn, and avoid the party-drinking-dating-etc atmosphere felt to be typical of Pocket-D RP, and that people worry has driven all other RP out of public places.

Past that, the other attendees and event organizers need to work with the very limited enforcement power they have for their event in a public location -- basically, you can work with the other attendees, relocate the event, just leave, or call the whole thing off. You can't force anyone to leave; and petitioning is a high bar to pass. But, fair minded people will work with your event's theme, if they're politely informed about it, preferably in advance, but on the spot if that's all there is. But you don't have to give up creating the RP atmosphere that you prefer, just because others might choose to come and remold it -- it's your event, work to keep it that way.

So I hear I'm the 3rd guy.

If you are legitimately mad at me for walking in, doing an emote, and then AFKing, I'm sorry. But I did show up to AFK (I did /e collapse) and come back to everyone gone. If me doing that seriously made everyone leave...lol...but I'm sorry.

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Perhaps they were participating in the OOC portion of this IC/OOC meet up?

Considered attending this but my normally very social main is distracted with a dying girlfriend. After reading all the follow-up, just want to second basically everything Xanatos has pointed out to the organizer, especially this: