Catalyst 11.7 final is out
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Posted on: 2011-07-27 10:24 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
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Not to mention nVidia has also had its fair share of issues with this game at certain points.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Because throwing away a $100+ video card and buying another is an option for everybody. If you're not going to try to say anything constructive, just keep your mouth shut.
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Cleaned my 11.2 drivers out (uninstalled all with express uninstall all option), then ran driversweep after reboot. Rebooted again and loaded 11.7 (non control center). One more reboot.
Froze about 1.5 hours into game play. Alt-tabbed out and shut down CoX, restarted CoX and continued where I left off.
I would say that 11.7 is an improvement, but not better than my old 11.2 in the crash department.
System: i5 OC to 3.8 (when turbo is on), 5870 non-oc'd. Both are water cooled and never see above 60C. Windows 7 64 bit home prem. 12 gig configured 2X4 and 2X2. CoX is ran from raided f60s corsair ssds. OS on 80gig intel ssd.
Oh, I run HwMonitor while playing CoX to monitor temps.
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Only thing I've had happen I can't say is specifically related to the 11.7s (since we had a game patch as well) - occasional game lockup while zoning. Gets about halfway throught he load screen and locks. Only listing I see in the event viewer is pointing at CityOfHeroes.exe as opposed to mentioning the video driver.
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My wife is on the 11.3's, and gets that after the patch. Anecdotal, but suggests it may be game related instead of driver related. I have not experienced this issue at all, myself tho.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Only thing I've had happen I can't say is specifically related to the 11.7s (since we had a game patch as well) - occasional game lockup while zoning. Gets about halfway throught he load screen and locks. Only listing I see in the event viewer is pointing at CityOfHeroes.exe as opposed to mentioning the video driver.
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Haven't had the time yet to play with the 11.7s but that's pretty much what the game would do to me on the 11.6s. Whether 11.7 will be better for me I don't yet know. They also have a preview of 11.8 out. Anyone give that a spin yet?
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Only thing I've had happen I can't say is specifically related to the 11.7s (since we had a game patch as well) - occasional game lockup while zoning. Gets about halfway throught he load screen and locks. Only listing I see in the event viewer is pointing at CityOfHeroes.exe as opposed to mentioning the video driver.
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It WAS constructive. More people would be insulted if I assumed everyone couldn't afford it.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Because throwing away a $100+ video card and buying another is an option for everybody. If you're not going to try to say anything constructive, just keep your mouth shut.
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...also, $100 is usually a garbage card. I usually buy a $500+ card every 3 to 5 years.
Nvidia has been the king of OpenGL performance since the 3DFX days. I've had both and after constantly reading about the problems the drivers cause, I think jumping ship is pretty sound advice. No need to attack me or get defensive!
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The issue is that in a thread about an ATi driver release, you decide to come in and go all fanboi on everyone. Also, your knowledge of OpenGL and the two manufacturers is somewhat faulty. I don't give enough of a crap to care - buy whichever, I own stock in both.
Anyway, 1 crash tonight, an improvement over the 11.3s, but still some instability.
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First of all, I used $100 as a base, because you can't really find a video card that will reliably run video games any cheaper than that, and there was a plus sign next to it for a reason. My card cost about $300 when I bought it, and it's devalued to about $200 now, but that's still money I can't afford to chunk in the trashcan.|
Originally Posted by JayboH
It WAS constructive. More people would be insulted if I assumed everyone couldn't afford it.
...also, $100 is usually a garbage card. I usually buy a $500+ card every 3 to 5 years. Nvidia has been the king of OpenGL performance since the 3DFX days. I've had both and after constantly reading about the problems the drivers cause, I think jumping ship is pretty sound advice. No need to attack me or get defensive! |
I certainly can't afford a $500+ video card. I'd heavily wager that the majority of CoH players can't either; many have families to feed, the economy is crap, and dropping any amount of money on an already working computer sounds like a fool's errand to someone with no real technical background.
As someone with a technical background but limited finances, I generally buy a graphics card that's about 3 generations from the top ($150-200) every two years, and I'd still count that as unusual for the playerbase here. I splurged when I got into the Issue 17 closed beta and bought a Radeon 5800 for close to $300, but that also happened to be right after my birthday and the stars just happened to align that I could get away with the expense without having to sacrifice anything else at the time.
And let's not forget that early last year, Nvidia published a bad driver set that accidentally disabled the cooling fans on their graphics cards and caused them to burn out. A Radeon card was the obvious choice for me at the time.
TL;DR: Jumping ship just isn't an option for those who've made a significant investment, whether you find that dollar amount to be significant or not. You are being an Nvidia fanboy in an ATI thread, and it's neither helpful, necessary nor appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Well, 11.6 would crash on me badly regardless of what I was doing.|
Originally Posted by Back_Blast
Haven't had the time yet to play with the 11.7s but that's pretty much what the game would do to me on the 11.6s.
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Unfortunately, I just had a crash going to a new tab in the auction house... so I'm rolling back to 11.5 to make sure it's the driver, as opposed to the patch. (*sigh* Time to turn down the settings in C&C again. Eh, I play this more, and AA doesn't have as big an effect there.)
...not at all, I've owned both (2nd time I've said that now) and I was attacked by fanboys, not the other way around.
My comment about OpenGL performance is true. Everyone can always point to instances and scenarios where it isn't - I am speaking in the general sense. AMD/ATI has beaten Nvidia in Direct X in the past plenty of times, as the rivalry bounces back and forth. Part of that in the past was due to how closely Nvidia has worked with John Carmack regarding engines that used OpenGL.
Personally I think the downsides to Nvidia absorbing 3DFX and AMD absorbing ATI has been overcome.
I really didn't come in the thread to make fun of ATI fans - my friend Bobbo8u has been having crashing issues since coming back to the game and has sworn off ATI cards in the future.
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I'm not exactly an ATI fanboy. If I were buying a card NOW, I probably would pick up an Nvidia card. But like I said, the ATI Radeon card was a safer buy at the time, and a replacement card isn't in the budget for another 9 months. The Radeon 5800 I have works beautifully for this game anyway... at least when the drivers aren't screwed up, and that's nothing that Paragon Studios has any control over.
I'd also disagree that Nvidia has better performance, OpenGL or otherwise, but I wouldn't argue they have better compatibility in the least.
Regardless, this is a thread specifically for discussing ATI's 11.7 driver, so it's simply counterproductive to bring up Nvidia at all.
And speaking of counterproductive... Now back to our regularly-scheduled thread, already in progress.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Interesting. My crash was during a morality mission of all things. Luckily my partner stayed in mish until I restarted CoX. However, and a big however, I was able to alt-tab out, shut down the game and restart. This suggests that the problem is game related rather than driver (suggests, not saying it IS). I could never do that before.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Well, 11.6 would crash on me badly regardless of what I was doing.
Unfortunately, I just had a crash going to a new tab in the auction house... so I'm rolling back to 11.5 to make sure it's the driver, as opposed to the patch. (*sigh* Time to turn down the settings in C&C again. Eh, I play this more, and AA doesn't have as big an effect there.) |
One other poster commented that he played 11.7 pre-patch and had no issues. Throwing that out there as a reminder.
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I have a Radeon HD5770, 11.7 still crashes blue-screen style at minimal settings, at seemingly random times, with the latest live build. I mainly use this setup with CoH.
As suggested, here is a GPU-Z screenshot with my GPU info, and I will attempt posting on the ATI boards.
http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/11/07/30/dsu.png
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There has been no feedback generated from the 11.8 Preview.
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Originally Posted by Skela_EU
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I just recently bought a HD6950
I installed 11.7, and after 40 minutes of use the game freezed and I had to manually close it through Windows.
Uninstalled+Drivesweeped - Tried 11.6, exact same issue was seen there. (Yes I know people complained 11.6 crashed, I wanted to see if the crash was similar - and it was)
So, I tried 11.3 ... and there hasn't been a freeze-up since.
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Originally Posted by Wavicle
CoH players are stupid and incompetent compared to WoW players.
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please do not forget to post a Catalyst Crew feedback about your crash experience.|
Originally Posted by War-Nugget
I just recently bought a HD6950
I installed 11.7, and after 40 minutes of use the game freezed and I had to manually close it through Windows. Uninstalled+Drivesweeped - Tried 11.6, exact same issue was seen there. (Yes I know people complained 11.6 crashed, I wanted to see if the crash was similar - and it was) So, I tried 11.3 ... and there hasn't been a freeze-up since. |
AMD can't do anything to fix bugs in the driver unless people experiencing the bugs tell AMD about the bugs.
Yep - already sent my feedback to them.
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Originally Posted by Wavicle
CoH players are stupid and incompetent compared to WoW players.
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better frame rate with the 11.7s, but I still crashed after I had been playing for a while.
was in the middle of puttin stuff on the AH at the time.
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11.7 drivers have been very mean to me. 
Several crashes when loading, several screen freezes.
Rolled back to 11.5.
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Consistent crashing for me after about an hours play.
Took the COH patch at the same time im afraid so not too helpfull.
What i can say for sure is it hasnt done it in combat yet (under heavy load) but happens when static ie talking to a contact or viewing recipies/salvage etc.
Total 8 crashes in 10 games over 2 days (task manager to resume normal operation)
So far it hasnt hurt ingame but ill rollback now and see.
Here is my report so far:
I installed 11.7 and I can report that my constant freezing seems to have been fixed. Will need to play longer to see if crashing happens still but progress!
Bad News - 11.7 crashed after about 45 Minutes, then I go ahead and installed 11.8 Preview and again after about 45 Minutes I crashed. (2*5870 in Crossfire)
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Same deal with a single 5770. I rolled back to 11.4.
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Originally Posted by Skela_EU
Bad News - 11.7 crashed after about 45 Minutes, then I go ahead and installed 11.8 Preview and again after about 45 Minutes I crashed. (2*5870 in Crossfire)
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