Questions about the Razer Naga mouse.
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blueruckus,
Posted on: 2011-07-26 18:07 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
lol, you don't know what you got yourself into.
I haven't had mine for a year yet (since December, so halfway) but I would say it has helped me considerably. I never really felt the need to use it in Rift (though I didn't really play past the first month) but it has been invaluable in Worldof and to a lesser extent, City of.
I don't really find it helps as much in City of on low leveled characters because you have much less abilities in comparison to other MMOs, but if you've a bunch of higher characters it will be really helpful. For me, there's always reserved space for Judgement, Destiny, Lore, Call to Justice, and Mystic Fortune on the number keys for all my heroes, but placed powers like Tar Patch and Water Spout fit there as well as situational powers you still might want to hit on short notice like Hibernate.
If you were getting it for another MMO and not just City of, I'd think it's worth it, but personally I wouldn't spend $200 on it. Though I got mine as a gift, I feel as though there's some risk involved with buying Razer. It could be another story for their mice (mine certainly is nice, but I could have just got lucky) but I haven't heard much good about the build quality of their keyboards. Things like the spacebar getting stuck or pressing the alt key with it and the print on the keys randomly being either uppercase or lowercase.
Also, I have no idea what's up with coh's 'support' for the razer mouse. I just turned it off then manually bound my powers to the numpad keys.
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From the little I could see in the old thread, the 'native' support is just for using keys 1-9 for powers in a 'special tray' for the Razer and using 11-12 to go forward and back through the trays, so you're probably better without it and setting it up manually.|
Originally Posted by Kailure
Also, I have no idea what's up with coh's 'support' for the razer mouse. I just turned it off then manually bound my powers to the numpad keys.
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I saw some youtube reviews, they were mostly positive except saying that the lower row of keys is hard to reach (not hard, but you have to move your hand off the usual way you place it on the mouse) and the two side buttons are not friendly like in normal microsoft mouses, like in mine where the side buttons are easily reachable with my thumb (I use them for back/forward in my browsers and other stuff in games). The 'Epic' version has these buttons above and below the scrollwhell but it's 150 bucks there, meaning it's over 300 usd here, which is kinda ridiculous.
I'm not sure what that's about, the bottom row has been pretty good to me. I put my buffs there on my thermal mastermind before they were made AoE. Button 12 toggles the the insp tray, I don't like staring at it but there's those times when you really need to have it open and quick and that serves me pretty well.
MB4 and MB5 are kind of weird up there in the corner, of MB1. It's definitely odd, but I got used to it after a while. I don't consider it better than where those buttons normally are, but I don't consider it worse after getting used to it either.
Maybe I'm just weird.
I was mouse shopping last year and picked up a Naga. I, personally, did not like it. It felt too small and the keys on the side were just too tiny. Of course, this would vary depending on your hand size (I'm 6'2" with long fingers). Also, the Naga integration on CoH was nothing groundbreaking.
The mouse I was replacing was a trusty Logitech MX518 so I decided to check out Logitech's offering and ended up with the G700 - http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming...s/devices/7244
It has a larger build like most Logitech gaming mice), 4 side buttons, 3 buttons on the left side of the left mouse button (seems odd at first but you get used to these easily), tilt scroll wheel, and all of these buttons are fully mappable. Also, it can be used as wired or wireless which is very handy. I very much enjoy this mouse and would recommend it to anyone who is considering an MMO gaming mouse.
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I've had two nagas. The first one stopped working about five or six months after I got it. I shipped it back to razer and had the replacement within a week.
I love the thing to death, for all of my games. I don't think I could game again without it.
so far i have enjoyed my naga on cov
i have powers such as mystic fortune, secondary mutation, shields, domination, hasten, ect
its very very handy if you need more than 1 power set to auto but dont want to throw the power into your first power tray
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The main negative aspect of the reviews are the position of mb4 and mb5, maybe that's why they changed it on the new Naga Epic model (which can be used as wireless but costs so much here I won't even bother).|
Originally Posted by Kailure
I'm not sure what that's about, the bottom row has been pretty good to me. I put my buffs there on my thermal mastermind before they were made AoE. Button 12 toggles the the insp tray, I don't like staring at it but there's those times when you really need to have it open and quick and that serves me pretty well.
MB4 and MB5 are kind of weird up there in the corner, of MB1. It's definitely odd, but I got used to it after a while. I don't consider it better than where those buttons normally are, but I don't consider it worse after getting used to it either. Maybe I'm just weird. |
Kailure are you a girl, or have small hands? Another complaint I saw was that it's not suitable for big hands but not a prob for me, I'm male but my hands are small, even the most criticized mouse I've ever seen because of the size, Apple's Mighty Mouse (which came with my computer) I like it a lot and use without problems despite its shape being far from ergonomic no matter your hand size.
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Originally Posted by blueruckus
I was mouse shopping last year and picked up a Naga. I, personally, did not like it. It felt too small and the keys on the side were just too tiny. Of course, this would vary depending on your hand size (I'm 6'2" with long fingers). Also, the Naga integration on CoH was nothing groundbreaking.
The mouse I was replacing was a trusty Logitech MX518 so I decided to check out Logitech's offering and ended up with the G700 - http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming...s/devices/7244 It has a larger build like most Logitech gaming mice), 4 side buttons, 3 buttons on the left side of the left mouse button (seems odd at first but you get used to these easily), tilt scroll wheel, and all of these buttons are fully mappable. Also, it can be used as wired or wireless which is very handy. I very much enjoy this mouse and would recommend it to anyone who is considering an MMO gaming mouse. |
But you guys are making the Naga look very tempting for me
I don't know if I'll keep playing Rift (got the collector edition for just 9.99 instead of 30 - so paying 24.99 for it (the 9.99 plus the 15 sub) or even 3 months isn't a big deal, and the collector is nice because it has a mount included, you know how those medieval RPGs have slow walking toons).And since I'm almost sure I'll buy SWTOR (but I'll hold until I get sick of Rift, 3 mmos is too much for me lol) and I also enjoy games like Dragon Age, a multi button mouse seems ideal for me. I'll watch the youtube video again, there's one the guy shows the mouse very well...
Found it again - the guy in the video complains about the side buttons like Kailure mentioned and also about having difficulty reaching the 10-11-12 row of numbers. But the mouse looks great, I certainly have smaller hands than him, and the Molten edition is just lovely.
Oh well guess I'll end up buying this, I don't think the Epic will have a price drop soon and the logitech besides being windows-only (I use the Cox W7 client most of the time but when I'm not worried about planning my build, testing powersets I don't bother to reboot and play on Mac OS although Rift is Windows only and SW will probably be too).
And I appreciate your feedback very very much, any other opinions/critics would be most welcome, thanks a ton.
EDIT: Found another review, it's for the Epic but the reviewer (as a bonus she's a hot chick) says that both in RTS and MMOs the mouse is much faster than using her keybinds, which is the main reason this mouse interests me - my mind/emp for example has like ten keys bound for her buffs, heals, toggles like indom will, etc, my Warshade is almost as busy and it kinda irritates me binding my keyboard for so much stuff. Ideally I want just to bind the keyboard for my travel power (or ninja run if I don't have one) and I use 'G' for targetting nearest enemy because it's close to F for follow, good for melee toons. But I get annoyed even on my SS/FA Broot having to go to the keyboard everytime to activate rage, fiery embrace, healing flames, you get the idea
I use it, and It was worth it for me and I am glad I got it as a gift, when originally I looked at it as was all like....What new freaking tech is this!
Now, I find my play experience in CoX and other games much more enjoyable.
Dual Blade combos are more fun now!
I've been using the thing for nearly two years, and I still have problems hitting the 10-12 buttons sometimes. I actually bind powers to E and Q as well, so along with shift and/or alt key combos I have 22 or 33 keybinds (9 mouse buttons + 2 keyboard buttons, x2 for shift OR alt and x3 with shift AND alt. I only use 22, generally I don't have more than 22 powers I use regularly anyway.
I've the G700 - there is ONE button that isn't mappable, but toggles the scrollwheel between clicking and frictionless scrolling
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I am currently using a Coolermaster Sentinal mouse. Its nice, very responsive, and the only issue i have had with it is that at very high DPI settings the mouse moves by itself sometimes. Now that could be due to the soft mouse mat that i am using right now, and is intermittent as to when it happens, but apart from that i have no problems.
I was tempted to go for the Logitech G700, but i heard problems about its battery lifespan when running in wireless mode, which made my shy away from it. I know that you can use that mouse in Wired mode, but why spend so much when you are having to keep it tethered all the time.
I previously had the Logitech G5 (2nd release) mouse, and no issues with that at all... It worked nicely with my G15 (original) and G510 keyboards, as well as with my G13 keypad (which i use mainly with CoX and not my other games as much).
The Naga interested me, but without getting my hands onto one, i honestly cannot comment as to how easily all those buttons are accesible, and as to how easily you can tell one from another... so I made the decision not to get one.
It can go a couple days without recharging - more, depending on your usage and if you recall to turn it off when not in use (simple button on the underside).
Compared to other rechargeables, it's probably noticeable only because you have to plug it in, vs drop in a charging cradle.
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Am only asking because my Logitech MX1000 even after 3 years heavy usage (it was my main mouse) could last the best part of 2-3 weeks without recharging... and even now 5 years down the line still lasts a week between charges|
Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
It can go a couple days without recharging - more, depending on your usage and if you recall to turn it off when not in use (simple button on the underside).
Compared to other rechargeables, it's probably noticeable only because you have to plug it in, vs drop in a charging cradle. |
((I actually swapped that one out because i started having issues with its laser and not tracking properly, again intermittent, but still often enough to annoy))
I have been using the Razer Naga as my primary mouse for my home desktop for over a year. It's not perfect, but it's enough better that I'm still using it. Original reason was mostly for (another MMO with more "busy" WASDQE steering and need to look around in 3D), but I'm gradually utilizing it more with CoH since I have it. My previous preference was the Logitech G5, which was nearly perfect IMO but I wanted more buttons (and is now apparently out of production, the new G500 doesn't seem to be quite as good ergonomically).
Main pros:
* Works as either number or function keys right out of the box in all applications with no special programming needed. You *can* do all sorts of exotic and application-specific things with it, but you don't have to.
* Ability to operate CoH almost entirely via single mouse hand when I need to pick up cell phone, eat dinner, etc. (Arguably somewhat less well than with both hands, but good enough to get by.)
* Even if you don't use all the buttons, having even a few more "instant reflex" buttons can be a significant improvement in play. (I have gotten into the habit of always putting a heal or other "oh carp" power on the 0 (10) slot, which is easy to find tactically with thumb as it's the lower-left button on the grid, for instance.)
* Good performance on both speed and precision, including rough-surface tracking.
Main cons:
* Surface finish is not ideal IMO; the slick side panels aren't as great on long sessions or with sweaty hands, although the shape means it's more of a comfort / feel thing than an actual control problem. The slightly rubbery top finish is OK but not great. I thought that the "crackled" finish on the Logitech G5 mouse I had previously was a gimmick when I first got one, but I eventually realized that it worked better than anything else I've used before or since. IMO for serious all-day gaming Razer should use their current upper finish as the side finish, and have an even more textured upper finish.
* Forward/Back buttons are small and weirdly placed. I don't depend on them, using the scroll wheel for most such things.
* No trivially easy resolution / speed switch on board; not really an issue for CoH but handy when you're doing photo editing, etc.
* Price. It seems to have held up well, though, so I'm not as concerned as I was originally.
* *Very* rare incidents where a system crash leaves the Naga unresponsive until it's been fully powered off and reset by unplugging it and then plugging it back in; restarting the computer itself doesn't clear it. This is rare enough I hesitate to even mention it, possibly more the fault of Windows than of Razer, and easily remedied. If you have both a particularly unstable computer and a physical setup or limitations that makes reaching the plug a problem, this might be a concern though (using a USB extension cord such that you can reach where the Naga's cord plugs into it is the obvious fix).
YMMV comments:
* Grip is a bit different than on other mice. I have medium-width hands with slightly longer than average fingers, and I find that I hold it more with the fingers than with the hand. If you're accustomed to resting the weight of your hand on the mouse with the palm, it may take more getting used to. If you have really large hands it might feel a bit small; you're holding it more like a precision instrument than a puck.
Related to the above, your grip is pretty much *either* far forward to thumb the awkward forward/back buttons, or somewhat back to thumb the 3x4 side grid buttons. I haven't found any grip that works well for both, but giving up on forward/back is acceptable for me.
* I don't need my mouse to have a pulsating blue glowing logo, but neither does it bother me.
* Completely and uncompromisingly right-handed. Fine for me and many people, may be a problem for a few.
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I think it relates in part to the fact you can set the report rate - which you generally set higher for games. Mind you, I rarely use the power button, so I can't be totally sure how long the battery lasts.
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Originally Posted by Gangrel_EU
Am only asking because my Logitech MX1000 even after 3 years heavy usage (it was my main mouse) could last the best part of 2-3 weeks without recharging... and even now 5 years down the line still lasts a week between charges
((I actually swapped that one out because i started having issues with its laser and not tracking properly, again intermittent, but still often enough to annoy)) |
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@Miuramir, awesome review, thanks!
I saw some of the Naga Epic reviews and it seems they improved on the side panel (and you can switch between three) and the side buttons. Since they're on ebay for about USD 120 with free shipping, I made a filter to get offers from there from top sellers to my country. Worst thing that can happen is customs intercepting it and I end up paying 200 USD which is the price of the older Naga here. And I kinda fell in love with the new the little details the Epic has.
Since my mouse is kinda new and very good for normal stuff (and for gaming too although not specialized - see Microsoft Natural wireless 6000, not exactly cheap either but MS is not a practically unknown brand here so although it's only USD 10 cheaper than the Naga, it was half the price here in my country, it's an awesome mouse btw). Annnd since for browsing and work stuff on Mac OS X I like the Apple mouse and just upgraded to Lion which has a lot more support for gestures I can live with the Apple and the MS one (for windows and gaming since the Apple mouse only supports scrolling in W7 while it does all kinds of cool stuff on the new Apple OS) I can wait a bit, although these niche products are unlikely to get much lower on price. But your review was great! When I get the Epic it'll probably be my main Windows/gaming mouse since it has better buttons for back/forward for browser stuffs and I don't like wired mice that much.
With the filter and receiving daily mails from ebay I can see if I can get an Epic for a good price, found it as low as 122 USD but the product is in the USA, when I import things from Asia or other countries the chances of customs intercepting and taxing it for 50-100% is way lower, I bought a DS Lite from a Korean site when it was released for 179 USD when it was 150 for you guys and 350 here
Hi guys, before you ask, I did a search and necro'ed a 2010 thread about a user who posted a review about this mouse but he said he'd follow up with commentaries since it was new to him but since this is prohibited here (although I didn't know since the thread was like 9 months old), I was told to make a new thread about it by the the mods.
I'm thinking about buying one but here in Brazil they are about 200 USD (not the new Epic wireless one, the original which now has a lovely molten edition too).
Since I started playing Rift too, where macros are basically obligatory, I might be able to get some use of this, I have small hands, even the iMac's magic mouse is good for me, since the reviews said that the mouse might not be good for people with big hands.
So I'm wondering, any of you have used the mouse for long (>1 year) and felt it made your experience in CoX or any other MMo better??
Does it last like my microsoft mouses (I'm on my third one, the previous two lasted 5 years each, the first one was actually the first optical mouse) and does it considerably improve gameplay on MMOs? I use more binds than macros so it'd be nice to have a button for each bind as well as accessing the 3/4 trays I keep open (depending on the toon) without pressing alt or control.
Oh BTW take a look at the upcoming edition of the mouse and keyboard from Razer for that new MMO we're all expecting...
http://www.razerzone.com/swtor/keyboard
http://www.razerzone.com/swtor
Thanks for any feedback! I figured I'd better ask here before clicking buy since I have a perfectly functional (and newish) Natural Wireless Mouse 3000 (from MS, it's really ergonomic) and an Apple Mighty Mouse that came with the computer but since I run CoX in Windows 7 and since the Apple mouse doesn't do gestures on Windows it's not that good, for CoX it's not bad when playing on Mac OS X tho.