borrow them for...?
AE ?
backstory for a toon ?
or what ?
The only possible issues I can foresee involve intellectual property issues. If the borrowing comes from something that doesn't have the IP baggage, I suspect it would be just fine for any use. If it does have IP baggage, no one can give you official permission. If you chose to use something with IP baggage, you would be subject to genericking and possibility of other actions if your were reported or otherwise caught.
Depends on your definition of "alien" I suppose. In terms of "things other than ourselves that came from outer space", we have the Shivans and Hydra as the only two I can think of off the top of my head.
Now, if your definition of "alien" includes "things that our not like us", I consider all Praetorians alien, as well as everything found in Croatoa.
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Don't forget the two forms a kheldian can turn into. The dwarf and Squid.
The Rikti aren't aliens.
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The Rikti aren't aliens.
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Well, they sort of are, depending on how strictly you define "aliens"; they are not from our planet.
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The Rikti aren't aliens.
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So, then, Praetorians are aliens?
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Well, they sort of are, depending on how strictly you define "aliens"; they are not from our planet.
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In the real world of course "aliens" has one meaning but in games I would use the classic outer-space definition. In that case the only aliens I know of are the kheldians, the two forms they can shift into, and the shivans. I'd probably throw in Rularuu and his ilk because I assume he has a unique non-earth (or parallel-earth) origination.
Since you can get to the Hydran's home planet via Portal Corp I'm assuming they are on an alternate earth, granted a drastically different evolutionary track, but earthlings nonetheless. To me you can't include rikti or hydrans until you go with "anything that doesn't look like us" as aliens. Hydrans would certainly qualify easier than rikti.
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Errr. Actually they are from our planet. Just not from our dimension. Now the race that changed them to the Rikti are aliens but we haven't ever seen them.
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Well, they sort of are, depending on how strictly you define "aliens"; they are not from our planet.
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They're earthlings from Earth. Just not this one. If we're going to quibble, we might as well identify them as extradimensional. Which, of course, a whole host of characters/organizations in the game qualify as. Including everything relating to an entire expansion.
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Well, they sort of are, depending on how strictly you define "aliens"; they are not from our planet.
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If it does have IP baggage, no one can give you official permission.
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GMs can and will generic names, costumes, or character bios that make use of someone else's intellectual property.
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There's extraterrestrial (Shivans, Kheldians), and there's extradimensional (Rikti, Hydra, Praetorians, Reichsman, etc.).
There aren't a ton of extraterrestrials in the game right now. Most of what we face is from various parallel Earths.
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I just find it kinda sad that its apparently easier to tear the dimensional fabric of space and time into an entirely new universe than it is to develop FTL capabilities and explore our own universe.
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I'd class them as extra-dimensional.
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Nobody's mentioned the rularuu?
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I wanted to but I could remember how to spell the name. lol
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Nobody's mentioned the rularuu?
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I just find it kinda sad that its apparently easier to tear the dimensional fabric of space and time into an entirely new universe than it is to develop FTL capabilities and explore our own universe.
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Beyond the Rikti and Keldarians, is there an "official" listing of alien races in the CityofHeroverse, or is it fine if we just create our own or "borrow" aliens from other settings?
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Kheldians
- Nictus sub-branch
Mefnanim - Bright Nova form source
Hulmanim - Dark nova form source
Kurukt - White Dwarf form source
Ruktur - Dark nova form source
Shivans
Going through other non-human groups, it's "what do you consider alien" time:
Rikti - Extradimensional
COT ghosts/Demons - Extradimensional/magic (somewhat grey area)
DE - native to this world/non-alien
Croatoa critters - "spirit world," though some are (from comments) formerly residents of Salmanca. That "grey area" again.
Coralax - native, oceanic
Hydra - extradimensional
Ruularu - extradimensional
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I'm not sure why that's sad. Other dimensions are right over there. Close enough to touch. You don't need big ships to go there. Most of the time it's habitable and explorable. It doesn't take years to get there. In terms of energy, it's probably cheaper to bend space big enough for a passageway for people and equipment than it would be to go beyond the speed of light.|
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I just find it kinda sad that its apparently easier to tear the dimensional fabric of space and time into an entirely new universe than it is to develop FTL capabilities and explore our own universe.
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All in all, it seems like there are a lot fewer hurdles to interdimensional exploration than interstellar.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
I'm not sure why that's sad. Other dimensions are right over there. Close enough to touch. You don't need big ships to go there. Most of the time it's habitable and explorable. It doesn't take years to get there. In terms of energy, it's probably cheaper to bend space big enough for a passageway for people and equipment than it would be to go beyond the speed of light.
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Now, that isn't neccessarily meaning "from *another* galaxy," but outside our own. If we look first to satellite galaxies (which, yes, are galaxies of their own, but satellites of ours,) we're actually comfortably close. The Canis Major dwarf galaxy is "only" 25,000 light years from us. At 1/10 the speed of light - 250,000 years. Yes, longer than modern humans have been around... but the Nictus have been around for a while (and there's the question of when the Mu and Orenbangans were around and had their civilizations.) Other satellites:
Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical - 70,000 LY
Large Magellanic Cloud - c. 160,000 LY
Bootes Dwarf galaxy - 190,000 LY
Small Magellanic Cloud - 206,000 LY
That, of course, is "coming directly here." We don't know how old the Kheldians are, and given they get their forms from other life forms they've bonded with, they've obviously made some pitstops along the way.
While we don't know about the native Kheldians (the ones that bond to form Peacebringers,) the Nictus we know use cysts - once one's in place, they can use them as "shortcuts" of a sort to get from place to place. It does, however, weaken them (so there may be an absolute limit to how far a Nictus at full strength can travel in one "hop.") Even sending cysts out somewhat blindly (think "emergency measure" as opposed to some directed targeting) could conceivably star-hop their way around - but some of the distances they're implied to have covered are still quite vast.
Then again, being energy-based, I'd say they have a *few* advantages over organic beings when it comes to interstellar travel. (Just have to deal with that 10 year lifespan.)
Send a PM to Floating Fat Man. He got given info on Kheldian space travel out of the devs, pulled straight from the lore bible, I believe.
Not sure he'll tell anyone, but...
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well that bit should be easy I'd think. Time dilation effects as they approach light speed would mean little or no relative time would pass for them.
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Then again, being energy-based, I'd say they have a *few* advantages over organic beings when it comes to interstellar travel. (Just have to deal with that 10 year lifespan.)
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Send a PM to Floating Fat Man. He got given info on Kheldian space travel out of the devs, pulled straight from the lore bible, I believe.
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well that bit should be easy I'd think. Time dilation effects as they approach light speed would mean little or no relative time would pass for them.
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Direct link to a story piece FFM wrote after being given the info.
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Beyond the Rikti and Keldarians, is there an "official" listing of alien races in the CityofHeroverse, or is it fine if we just create our own or "borrow" aliens from other settings?