True Blood, Season 4


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Thoughts:

  • Quote of the night: Tie between "Your mama was a werepanther?" and "I'm a police officer! And a werepanther!" Jason's still the reigning champ.
  • Pretty sweet to see that, even mindwiped, Eric can smack Bill down.
  • Sookie's undoubtedly aware of how good she looks in white unmentionables.
  • Yep, I'm definitely tired of the storyline with Arlene's baby already. I thought I might feel better about it seeing as how it was dealing with spirits but they're taking up valuable screentime, dammit.
  • I really like King Bill; he revels in his power as always, and he's never been more powerful, but it obviously weighs on him and he's actually got responsibilities to deal with.
  • Totally called Tommy shifting into Sam and ******* with his life.
  • I like how the packmaster adjusted his pitch to Alcide, but since they're obviously going to give some screentime to him and Debbie for a subplot of their own, there's no way they'll be able to avoid some drama.
  • I'm surprised Hoyt and Jessica forgot to mention to Sookie how they found Jason on the side of the road, but at least they're actually aware of what's going on with each other this season, which is progress.
  • Speaking of Jessica, it's hard to believe we've seen so little interaction between her and Jason when they've both got such a strong connection to Hoyt, but that connection is definitely weakening on Jessica's end; still, it's strange that Jessica and Jason are starting to feel some attraction for each other brewing when one is becoming wilder and the other's growing up.
  • That cardinal vampire sure looked wicked, and if we get another scene like the one in the dungeon, I'm officially going to be rooting for the witches.
  • I was hoping that Marnie's breakout was going to interrupt Eric's execution, but he successfully earn's Bill's sympathy; it was a little corny, but there was sincere conviction in his words.
  • Ugh, I'm getting sick of Tommy; he's getting to be like Bella was from Supernatural in that he's a recurring character who just seems hellbent on screwing things up for other folks and always fails to show redeeming qualities.
  • So are we going to get a possessed Lafayette throwing down with a possessed Marnie?
  • You just know that Pam is going to get killed, and if Eric regains his memory, he's going to find out who did it, which may put a damper on his relationship with Sookie.
  • No wonder the vamps are scared as ****; Marnie put the mind whammy on Luis like nothing.
  • The series is channeling some of the Buffy vibes with more and more of the cast gaining powers and a bewitched vampire finding love with our sassy heroine, but it still feels fresh to me.


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I've fully accepted the changes to the show, so it's not a complaint but I wish they had the were's more like the books.
I've read the first 11 Stackhouse books -and- seen every episode of True Blood so far. I obviously love both of them but frankly it's maddening trying to keep up with all the differences between the two storylines.

Spolier-ish book comments ahead...




Since the TV show can't be as detailed as the books it's clear they had to simplify/streamline how things are presented. Things like how the Fairies and Weres "work" had to be made much more straightforward. I doubt we'll ever see many of the side characters that helped flesh out the those cultures in the books. Also they had to rework even the main TV characters to make them fit into the abbreviated storyline. For example if they didn't make Bill the new King of Louisiana then there probably wouldn't have been much point keeping the presumably popular Stephen Moyer around as a regular cast member. For those who don't know by the sixth or seventh book Bill became such a minor character that he barely got a few pages per book.

All in all I like the TV show. But for me it's sort of like watching the "Mirror, Mirror" version of the original Sookie Stackhouse universe. I keep expecting to see Bill or Eric on-screen with an "Evil Spock" beard.


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I've read the first 11 Stackhouse books -and- seen every episode of True Blood so far. I obviously love both of them but frankly it's maddening trying to keep up with all the differences between the two storylines.

Spolier-ish book comments ahead...




Since the TV show can't be as detailed as the books it's clear they had to simplify/streamline how things are presented. Things like how the Fairies and Weres "work" had to be made much more straightforward. I doubt we'll ever see many of the side characters that helped flesh out the those cultures in the books. Also they had to rework even the main TV characters to make them fit into the abbreviated storyline. For example if they didn't make Bill the new King of Louisiana then there probably wouldn't have been much point keeping the presumably popular Stephen Moyer around as a regular cast member. For those who don't know by the sixth or seventh book Bill became such a minor character that he barely got a few pages per book.

All in all I like the TV show. But for me it's sort of like watching the "Mirror, Mirror" version of the original Sookie Stackhouse universe. I keep expecting to see Bill or Eric on-screen with an "Evil Spock" beard.
Sigh.......... I should have known not to write something like that.

I understand why the show can't be like the books. I get it. I've written here in these very forums all the reasons why the show can't be like the books, many times. I even said in my post, "I fully accept it's different". I too, love both the books and the show as related but separate entities and have read and seen them all as well. All I said was I wished Were's were more like the books. Not they ruined it. Not OMG why can't it be more like that. Not I'll quit if they don't interpret it 100% accurate. Not would someone please tell me why it's not like that. Just I wish. I just like that twist CH put on Were's and wished......not demanded the show would do that too. That's all.


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Sigh.......... I should have known not to write something like that.

I understand why the show can't be like the books. I get it. I've written here in these very forums all the reasons why the show can't be like the books, many times. I even said in my post, "I fully accept it's different". I too, love both the books and the show as related but separate entities and have read and seen them all as well. All I said was I wished Were's were more like the books. Not they ruined it. Not OMG why can't it be more like that. Not I'll quit if they don't interpret it 100% accurate. Not would someone please tell me why it's not like that. Just I wish. I just like that twist CH put on Were's and wished......not demanded the show would do that too. That's all.
I'm sorry but I think you might have read a bit more into my post than I intended. When I used the word "maddening" I meant it in joking manner. If dealing with the two storylines was truly annoying to me I wouldn't have read all those books and watched all those TV shows...

I wasn't really posting negatively against what you said. It was more just acknowledging your idea and expanding on it. For what it's worth I sort of wish the TV version of the Weres was a bit more like the book version too. I was simply saying that I understood why the changes were made, not that they ruined it per se.

Ultimately I can accept the TV version as an "alternate reality" book universe well enough and enjoy both.


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Damn those text based contextual misunderstandings!


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Noooo!!!!! Jessica!!!!!!


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Noooo!!!!! Jessica!!!!!!
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Quotes of the night go to Pam, who is stealing this season with her awesomeness.


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Quotes of the night go to Pam, who is stealing this season with her awesomeness.
Pam steals every season with her awesomeness.


 

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Excellent episode. Love Pam - you go girl! err zombie vampire decomposing skin reconstruction pam? Poor Pam. And Jessica - noooo omgz. Lets hope Jason saves the day on that one.


 

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I'm fully expecting a panther to push her back inside.
The interesting bit of that scene with Jessica heading for the doors is that as Jason is running towards the house we see a split second where one of Bill's guards tackles him. Then as the camera jumps back to Jessica just about to open the doors there's a gunshot outside. Who shot who? If we assume Jason's going to save Jessica then he might have just killed a guy to do it.

SPOLIERS ALERT (from the books)...


In the Sookie Stackhouse novels Jason is bitten by the Hotshot Were-panthers and then actually becomes a Were-panther himself. Unlike what's been explained on the TV show a person in the books can either be born a Were or bitten to become a Were. A bitten Were can only change at the full moon whereas a born Were can potentially change whenever they want to. So it was kind of a twist that the TV show decided to claim that people who are bitten can't become Weres.

Of course that's probably some kind of "red herring" and we'll learn that Jason is somehow unique in that regard.


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Not Jessica...

She's too hot to die!


 

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Jessica cant die.
She is too hot and interesting to die.
Loving Pam more each day, she is really to die for.
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Spoiler I guess?

Predicting Jason as werepanther next ep, Jessica rescued by Jason which dramallamas Jason and Hoyt's relationship, and please will someone kill that God damned witch. Also what gives with the werewolf pack sideshow, the whole werewolf story line doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and man that alpha dude couldn't look greasier if he tried.

Also I really, REALLY hope someone kills Tara, she is tied with Sookie for the worst character on this show and now she is complicit in wholesale vampire murder. Really I would love to watch the Eric and Pam Hour costarring Lafayette the other characters are middling at best.


 

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Also I really, REALLY hope someone kills Tara, she is tied with Sookie for the worst character on this show and now she is complicit in wholesale vampire murder.
Tara is turning into the Claire of the show (re: Claire from Heroes) in that they don't really know what they want to do with her. I really enjoyed the firey, mouthy Tara of Season 1. Now I can't wait for something really bad to happen to her. Giving her the lesbian cagefighter subplot this season (much like Claire from season 4 of Heroes) really feels more like a Hail Mary pass than an interesting twist to the character.


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You know, the fact that Pam sleeps in a pink coffin says so much about her.


 

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You know, the fact that Pam sleeps in a pink coffin says so much about her.
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Tara is turning into the Claire of the show (re: Claire from Heroes) in that they don't really know what they want to do with her. I really enjoyed the firey, mouthy Tara of Season 1. Now I can't wait for something really bad to happen to her. Giving her the lesbian cagefighter subplot this season (much like Claire from season 4 of Heroes) really feels more like a Hail Mary pass than an interesting twist to the character.
Yeah I tend to think they've painted Tara into a corner as far as what they can do with her character-wise. Even if she survives the showdown with the witches she's going to be left at odds against any vampires left standing at the end. They seem to be setting her up for some kind of suicidal "I'm going out and I'm going to take as many of you with me as I can" conclusion. I guess we'll see.

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"Alice in Wonderland with fangs"
Pam was easily one of the most entertaining characters from the books. I'm glad they translated her well into the TV show. I'm hoping she gets fixed up by the end of the season because if they kill her off I'd be really bummed out.


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OK, I'm now all caught up on S4 so far and I have these notes

-Pam, just Pam, Love it.
-This season is quickly becoming my favorite so far, love the inclusion of witches in an intriguing and semi-realistic way.
-Like others I was quickly getting annoyed with the Arlene's baby subplot, until the (Spoiler, but if you're on the thread you already know it) "baby not yours" was written on the wall and the Haitian (at least I think so, she was singing in what sounded like french, but it is Louisiana so who knows) spirit started appearing, now I'm fascinated with it.
-For me the Jason-as-a-werepanther-subplot kindof feels tacked on, especially now that were at the 7th episode it seems like a bother and kind of an excuse to keep Alcide and Debbie on the show (probably for contractual reasons) UNLESS this is all building up to a big out of nowhere dramafest at the end of S4 and/or Majorish plot of S5

OK, now for what I think is gonna happen

-Sam will be driven to kill Tommy, consequences of which will form a good chunk of S5
-Arlene's baby thing will be solved by LaFayette
-Eric is gonna regain his memory back at the end of the season and go right back to being a dick, or see that his blank self achieved what he previously couldn't and stay with Sookie to spite Bill
-Sadly I also think Pam's gonna be killed, either by the spell or the AVL for her Tara+cameras stunt. if Bill kills her AND Eric regains his memory, there's gonna be some epic drama come S5
-Tara no clue, half care, I liked her Season 1 and 2 character.
-I hope Jesus doesn't die. (lol that sentence looks funny) I like him he's cool, an actual level headed character for once.
-I like Marnie, but sadly I think killing her is the only way to rid Bon Temps of Antonia.


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Like others I was quickly getting annoyed with the Arlene's baby subplot, until the (Spoiler, but if you're on the thread you already know it) "baby not yours" was written on the wall and the Haitian (at least I think so, she was singing in what sounded like french, but it is Louisiana so who knows) spirit started appearing, now I'm fascinated with it.
I've got a wild guess about the "evil baby" plotline now that we know about the mediums (like Lafayette and Marnie) who can channel the spirits of the dead. It seems pretty likely that the Creole(?) girl we've seen hanging around is actually a ghost who's using the baby because the baby is a medium. In fact since we know the baby is Renay's maybe that'll retroactively explain him too. Wouldn't it be weird to think Renay wasn't a serial killer because he wanted to be but because he was possessed by a ghost who used him to commit the murders. For all we know we'll find out the Creole girl ghost is the actual serial killer from season one.

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For me the Jason-as-a-werepanther-subplot kindof feels tacked on, especially now that were at the 7th episode it seems like a bother and kind of an excuse to keep Alcide and Debbie on the show (probably for contractual reasons) UNLESS this is all building up to a big out of nowhere dramafest at the end of S4 and/or Majorish plot of S5.
Well in the books we know Jason actually became a Were-Panther by being bit by the Hotshot Weres so we'll have to see if that actually happens in the TV show (despite what they've said about it). Given the way Alcide and Debbie were handled in the books I'd say how any of this gets handled in the TV show is up in the air at this point.


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Thoughts on last Sunday's episode:

  • Pretty predictable that Jason would save Jessica; I thought he'd have to go into panther mode to have the strength to keep her out of the sun, but fortunately Marnie stopped the spell.
  • If I would have posted a recap for the episode prior to this, it would have mentioned how unfortunate it was that, despite their close connection, we've obviously needed more scenes with Bill and Jessica; this week, I was glad to see some interaction between Bill and Jason.
  • Well, it looks like Tara is firmly committed to Marnie's cause, but I doubt Marnie will survive long enough to be able to teach her anything; perhaps Antonia will possess Tara? Or Lafayette?
  • Even though Andy is a little more at home being the screw up character, I was really hoping we were done with that sort of nonsense last season with Jason because I have a low tolerance for dumb characters without good intentions.
  • I'm actually starting to like Alcide and Debbie's new pack leader.
  • Thank god that was a dream, Jessica.
  • I don't recall Sookie tripping out like that when she was with Bill, and she had some of his blood, so was Eric's blood that much more potent or does this have something to do with Sookie's faerie heritage?
  • Alright, I'm not sure whether the fake or real confrontation between Jessica and Hoyt was more destructive; on one hand, it really sucks to see one of the nicest characters on the show explode like that, but he's kinda got points.
  • Maybe I'd be as ripped as Jason if I had to do pushups whenever I felt attracted to Jessica.
  • As predicted, Tommy is up to shenanigans; let's hope he doesn't develop a tolerance for skinwalking and moves on with his parents.
  • Good show of loyalty, Jason, but you can't resist that hotness forever.
  • For a minute there I thought they were going to try to write off Rene's homicidal tendencies to possession, but in any case, I'm hoping they wrap up or tie whatever's happening with that ghost that's stalking Mikey and Lafayette in a hurry.
  • Still shocked when Jessica was kicked out of two houses in one night, though; that can't be good for her budding killer instinct.
  • Welp, the whole me liking Alcide's and Debbie's new pack leader lasted for a good 15 minutes.
  • Damn, Antonia is more powerful than I thought; necromancy, illusions, and weather control? I'm wondering if they're just trying to figure out ways to make her more of a threat than Russell.
  • I was wondering how the hell Tara would make it out of this plot alive; guess we have the answer.
  • Man, even though it was awesome to see Sookie and Debbie throw down last season, I really hate rehashing the same plot, which looks like where we're headed.
  • Let's see if Pam comes to Eric's aid; it certainly seemed like the bond between maker and progeny can overcome Antonia's spell, but will they go as far as having Eric watch Pam getting killed to snap out of it?
  • With all the vampires' resources, they sure seem to have a hard time hiring a sniper to take out Marnie.


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I don't recall Sookie tripping out like that when she was with Bill, and she had some of his blood, so was Eric's blood that much more potent or does this have something to do with Sookie's faerie heritage?
I imagine it has to do with Eric being an older vampire than Bill. Bill is only about 200 years old while Eric is about 1,000. The older the vampire, the more potent the blood.


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  • Thank god that was a dream, Jessica.
Inorite? That freaked me out at first. "Holy! Did she just..? Oh, wait, she was dreaming! Whew!"


 

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Pretty predictable that Jason would save Jessica; I thought he'd have to go into panther mode to have the strength to keep her out of the sun, but fortunately Marnie stopped the spell.
I guess the jury's still out on whether Jason's going to become some kind of Were-Panther on the TV show like he was in the books or not.

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Well, it looks like Tara is firmly committed to Marnie's cause, but I doubt Marnie will survive long enough to be able to teach her anything; perhaps Antonia will possess Tara? Or Lafayette?
As the big-bad of the season Marine/Antonia's pretty much going to have to die one way or the other. I just can't see how Pam is going to be able to tolerate not being able to rip Tara to shreds. Still seems like one or both of them are going to have to die soon too.

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I don't recall Sookie tripping out like that when she was with Bill, and she had some of his blood, so was Eric's blood that much more potent or does this have something to do with Sookie's faerie heritage?
As starphoenix said Eric is much older than Bill. In fact it's actually kind of weird that they let Bill become the King of Louisiana because of all the main vamps in the books he's actually one of the youngest ones, which makes him very unlikely to hold a kingship anywhere despite his assassination of Sophie-Anne. Oh well.

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Alright, I'm not sure whether the fake or real confrontation between Jessica and Hoyt was more destructive; on one hand, it really sucks to see one of the nicest characters on the show explode like that, but he's kinda got points.
Actually I like how Hoyt managed to retain more of his dignity and self-respect in the "real" version of the break up scene. I think what it showed us was that Jessica had a selfish, self-deluded mindset about Hoyt and it's good that he was able to stand up to her infidelities and confidently confront her. She was the one screwing him over after all he tried to do for her and he didn't really deserve to be hurt like that. It'll be interesting to see where it goes from here. We already know Jason was willing to sleep with a married woman so we know it's quite possible he'll be "tempted" by Jessica despite Hoyt.

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For a minute there I thought they were going to try to write off Rene's homicidal tendencies to possession, but in any case, I'm hoping they wrap up or tie whatever's happening with that ghost that's stalking Mikey and Lafayette in a hurry.
Now we see that the Creole/baby ghost may have some greater connection to the Bellefleurs than was obvious at first. Maybe the guy involved in that flashback with her was like Andy's father or somesuch.

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Man, even though it was awesome to see Sookie and Debbie throw down last season, I really hate rehashing the same plot, which looks like where we're headed.
Well in the books when Debbie came to Sookie's house Sookie quickly ended the confrontation by shotgunning Debbie at point blank range in the face! Obviously the TV show decided to let her character continue on a bit longer but it'll be fun to see whether Sookie ends up killing her anyway.

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Let's see if Pam comes to Eric's aid; it certainly seemed like the bond between maker and progeny can overcome Antonia's spell, but will they go as far as having Eric watch Pam getting killed to snap out of it?
Eric regains his memories when the spell on him is broken in the books. I figure what we'll see is that Antonia is trying to kill Eric and somehow gets interrupted, which breaks all the spells she frying him with.


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My thoughts on the episode.

-I want to see Sam and Marcus fight, that'd be cool.
-I too was flipping out during Jessica's dream (HOLY CRAP DID SHE... WHAAAAT!)
-Jessica's officially at rock bottom, I foresee her turning into a wild child as a result.
-I think they've officially combined the Arlene's baby plot with the witch plot now.
-The graveyard fight scene at the end was cool
-I think Tommy is gonna leave Sam alone, but, try and screw up everyone else's life... *thinks* OOH! theory! Tommy's gonna jump in and kill Marcus when Sam and Marcus fight.
-Ya, Debbie, gonna get killed, either by Sookie or Alcide.
- Pam better not get killed, but might.
-Tara... I don't dislike her character, she's just used poorly, Might get killed though.
-Even if he was mad, I thought Hoyt's jab at Jessica's "bedroom" problem (if you know what I mean) was a really low blow for him to pull.


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