I do feel like this is one of the largest untapped markets going into Freedom. The overwhelming majority of those that left over PvP did so because it became overly complex and just plain boring.
I expect more than a few of the new players we attract will be highly interested in PvP and having little to no knowledge of the bemoaned system we have, will be quite turned off upon trying it. Thus being less likely to become a ViP.
However, from the sounds of the PvP bootcamp participation. It'll probably be more of a 'just adapt' strategy with the current system never changing, only our opinion of it once PvP starts hopping again with players that never knew how it was 'before'.
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it's amazing the participation a newer person or previously PVE person enters a league...SOOOO many potentials....
They hear "how it was.." or "it used to be this" and they have a level of disgust because they experience in arena a different format...On Champ we run a league, NO TS/NO HD/NO DR's they're interested...step into RV..and it's a ghost town.....because of those addons...and turned off
We tested the server load? (wishful thinking) open a cross server pvp zone with no restrictions?
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Going forward, the likelihood that you are going to see positive improvements to the PvP system in this game are next-to-none.
Cross-Server PvP is a nice dream to have, but that's about it.
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Originally Posted by vindizzLe
Going forward, the likelihood that you are going to see positive improvements to the PvP system in this game are next-to-none.
Cross-Server PvP is a nice dream to have, but that's about it. |
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All truth and I really hope this is taken into heavy consideration, and sooner than later. As VIP's that have to form leagues to get any real activity for full speed PvP feel as though we're being last consideration or put to the wayside.
As mentioned, this is a great tool to capitalize on with the coming of CoH Freedom! How 'Super' or 'Villainous' could a new player really feel (besides those already playing mind you) being travel suppressed? At the very least make these numbers minimal at best!
I am aware the staff was diminished considerably only until the last year or so. And WE appreciate your hard work to keep this engine moving! Rather than throwing in the towel, you essentially lived up to the game theme and stuck it out, in true heroic fashion.
Those of us whom enjoy the facet of PvP are only standing up for the same ideal. Give us our own zone please! It would be no different than offering badges to incarnate content than it would be a zone where you enter at your own risk! Not muddled down for the PvE only player base. We are VIP's too and it may possibly be in the works. I would just love to know how long until my gaming experience and loyalty is rewarded?
Not to beat a dead horse, but we are VIP's too! Ty
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Originally Posted by vindizzLe
Going forward, the likelihood that you are going to see positive improvements to the PvP system in this game are next-to-none.
Cross-Server PvP is a nice dream to have, but that's about it. |
I'm willing to bet those who are already here would be there instantly. And for those attracted by CoH Freedom looking for that element, would be some of the first ppl to 'UP' to get access!
In this gaming era it is what ppl will pay for more than anything, IMHO.
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Originally Posted by Braije
Hopefully in that dream, they give us that on the VIP server. At the very least, it's the best solution. Rather than debating this person from this server is better than so and so. We would have our own playground.
I'm willing to bet those who are already here would be there instantly. And for those attracted by CoH Freedom looking for that element, would be some of the first ppl to 'UP' to get access! In this gaming era it is what ppl will pay for more than anything, IMHO. |
The VIP server is one server specifically designed to house the VIP Playerbase without distraction from F2P customers.
How exactly does Cross-Server PvP become an exclusive function of VIP server only?
Cross-Server PvP is at it sounds; it is (or could be) a system that allows players from any server to access arena matches and engage in them.
Moving your PvP playerbase to the VIP server is a terrible idea, and does not further the potential for introducing Cross-Server PvP, either.
So no, it is not the best solution. It isn't even a solution at all.
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Because from those I've talked to, they think it's the best place to gather for a true VIP zone experience. Especially considering that transfer tokens will come monthly, it's logical rather than spending money out of pocket. Not to mention you're asking more of the dev's to thread all the servers than just utilize a server that is already in the works. |
Originally Posted by vindizzLe
Are you just trying to increase your post count?
The VIP server is one server specifically designed to house the VIP Playerbase without distraction from F2P customers. How exactly does Cross-Server PvP become an exclusive function of VIP server only? Cross-Server PvP is at it sounds; it is (or could be) a system that allows players from any server to access arena matches and engage in them. Moving your PvP playerbase to the VIP server is a terrible idea, and does not further the potential for introducing Cross-Server PvP, either. So no, it is not the best solution. It isn't even a solution at all. |
You need to think about this from more parameters than just your own. Consider it from a 'code' standpoint, then you're only asking for more delay. Cross-server, that's ridiculous! That's like asking for cross-server incarnate trials because some don't have the population to run one at certain hours of the day/night. It just makes good business sense.
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In your first response to me, you claim that they hopefully give us that (that being: Cross-Server PvP) on the VIP server, which is a clear illustration that you did not fully read my two sentence post. |
Originally Posted by Braije
Because from those I've talked to, they think it's the best place to gather for a true VIP zone experience. Especially considering that transfer tokens will come monthly, it's logical rather than spending money out of pocket. Not to mention you're asking more of the dev's to thread all the servers than just utilize a server that is already in the works.
You need to think about this from more parameters than just your own. Consider it from a 'code' standpoint, then you're only asking for more delay. Cross-server, that's ridiculous! That's like asking for cross-server incarnate trials because some don't have the population to run one at certain hours of the day/night. It just makes good business sense. |
Why are you lecturing me on looking at things from a "coding" standpoint? I understand the resources that it would take, and the overall likelihood that Cross-Server PvP would ever happen (See: it won't).
Do yourself a favor and reread my first post. Actually, here, I'll requote it for you.
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Going forward, the likelihood that you are going to see positive improvements to the PvP system in this game are next-to-none.
Cross-Server PvP is a nice dream to have, but that's about it. |
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Originally Posted by vindizzLe
In your first response to me, you claim that they hopefully give us that (that being: Cross-Server PvP) on the VIP server, which is a clear illustration that you did not fully read my two sentence post.
Why are you lecturing me on looking at things from a "coding" standpoint? I understand the resources that it would take, and the overall likelihood that Cross-Server PvP would ever happen (See: it won't). Do yourself a favor and reread my first post. Actually, here, I'll requote it for you. Are you done? |
And if you consider that lecturing, then you come from a defensive standpoint which is no way to approach a conversation or debate.
As it is, that is your opinion and you're entitled to such. As I am to mine and thank you.
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Originally Posted by vindizzLe
I understand the resources that it would take, and the overall likelihood that Cross-Server PvP would ever happen (See: it won't). |
At the very least, as another advocate of PvP change sooner than later I would think you could find the logic in this.
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Originally Posted by Braije
Actually, I was posting while you were posting, so that was in response to the first two posts.
And if you consider that lecturing, then you come from a defensive standpoint which is no way to approach a conversation or debate. As it is, that is your opinion and you're entitled to such. As I am to mine and thank you. |
Are you a master of space time manipulation?
Mind-boggling.
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Originally Posted by vindizzLe
How are you posting while I was posting if you QUOTED my original statement?
Are you a master of space time manipulation? Mind-boggling. |
So, how I know you posted while I was posting. Simple: Sinny is my g/f and that monitor is a foot to my right and mentioned that you had already posted while I was in the process.
Not so mind boggling now, is it?
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Originally Posted by Braije
You're just being combative, I encounter people like you all of the time.
So, how I know you posted while I was posting. Simple: Sinny is my g/f and that monitor is a foot to my right and mentioned that you had already posted while I was in the process. Not so mind boggling now, is it? |
Therefore, you not only misread my original post (which was 2 lines long), but you quoted, agreed & elaborated on it as well, while completely deviating from my statement completely.
You're not very smart.
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Originally Posted by vindizzLe
Okay, clearly you don't understand the fact that you quoted what I originally posted.
Therefore, you not only misread my original post (which was 2 lines long), but you quoted, agreed & elaborated on it as well, while completely deviating from my statement completely. You're not very smart. |
And the quoting of your OP was what I still stand by. You're a pessimist, and as long as you approach change with a negative attitude you're never going to see positive results.
If the development team had your attitude, this game would be long gone and this to and fro of opinions would not be taking place.
Just some advice, if you want someone to hear you out and take your thoughts and opinions into consideration. You shouldn't be so quick to speak, rather listen and take theirs into consideration with respect and an open mind. Rather than discount as you do.
I'm sorry you think that PvP is going to die and your answer is the only solution. There were many before you who felt the same way. Again, I'm glad the development team don't have your attitude. But your thoughts have been taken into consideration and dully noted.
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I wish the PvP population the best of luck even tho I don't like PvP.
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I would be saddened to see what few there are left anymore not taken into account. We've been getting more that would never have entertained the thought joining the basic training and leagues to expand their usage of the game.
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As someone who is very much against PvP, I'm worried about pumping new life into PvP just in time for Freedom and a horde of PvP griefers. I've heard horror stories from my RL friends about their experiences in other MMOs with such. However, as long as you do keep it to the arena then I'd be okay with that.
Quite frankly, if you want new life in PvP, then other aspects of this game, which only a portion of the player base utilizes (like bases) should also be looked at. The new coming model is meant for everyone, not just some of us.
Also, vindizzLe, Braije, I have to say that your combined comments here are really not helping the 'PvP love plz' cause.
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You should have thought about that before you made your head out of Hubba Bubba.
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Anyways....PvP is a touchy subject it seems no matter what MMO you play....I was just suggesting revamping an already existing pvp zone or adding a new one...without the limitations that drive people nuts. Most pvp'ers stick to arena on my server because of that Pocket D is swarmed with kickballs and other versions of 4v4, 5v5, and so on. My idea was drop the red side v blue side lvl 50 style zone, and make a FFA lvl 50 zone like Warburg.
You could theoretically put that on the VIP server and compel people to "UP" their acct. I know several people who have left the game because of how pvp has become. So yeah it would be a business move. I'm not saying it SHOULD be, because I'd love to see PvP flourish in different aspects...again just an idea...
Cross server pvp would be epic....alas it's not likely to happen....
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So, you're basically helping make our point. For starters, you're 'very much against PvP' and your experiences with it is just second hand and from another MMO. Under the current model the 'griefing' already exists, just log into Freedom and zone into RV. And keeping it to arena is not the answer either, considering you can access the arena from anywhere in the game and upon exiting matches (whether it be from menu or a kiosk) some of this still needlessly spills over into the PvE zones as well. I prefer to just exercise the ignore option instead of watching them troll endlessly with grade school humor at best. But I digress..|
Originally Posted by Dave_67
As someone who is very much against PvP, I'm worried about pumping new life into PvP just in time for Freedom and a horde of PvP griefers. I've heard horror stories from my RL friends about their experiences in other MMOs with such. However, as long as you do keep it to the arena then I'd be okay with that.
Quite frankly, if you want new life in PvP, then other aspects of this game, which only a portion of the player base utilizes (like bases) should also be looked at. The new coming model is meant for everyone, not just some of us. Also, vindizzLe, Braije, I have to say that your combined comments here are really not helping the 'PvP love plz' cause. |
Secondly, the new coming model is meant for everyone. And I am glad we agree on this point as well. Everyone includes those of us who enjoy the PvP aspect of the game. We are no less VIP's than yourself because we participate in PvP. This is why the thread was created by the OP to discuss opinions and suggestions by those that do enjoy this aspect of the game. I don't see how vin and myself disagreeing makes it any different than the hundreds of threads regarding PvE I see people having debates in constantly!
In closing, you said yourself that you are very much against PvP. It is restricted to certain zones and arena already, and I don't think it harms your current or future PvE experience at all ( if you read my OP, I love the PvE aspect just as much). It's actually the other way around. You want certain badges that happen to be in a PvP zone, so it was finally nerfed to the point it has killed off zone PvP on most servers, so the 'badgers' could get their 'shinies'. Just because there may be 'less of us' doesn't make our subscriptions of less value than yours, Dave. There will be people who come to play this game when CoH Freedom is launched, and will compare the PvP quality or lack of to other games they play and instead of 'subbing' will go to another MMO. We're not suggesting this happen immediately, rather be considered for something like i22 was all.
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As someone who is very much against PvP, I'm worried about pumping new life into PvP just in time for Freedom and a horde of PvP griefers.
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Any new "PVP Griefers" would be stuck in the Arena and one of four, PVP-only zones.
Other games, since you mention it, may have things like open world PVP, or rifting, or other things where someone may bring a much higher level PVP-focused character specifically to attack lowbies. (Of course, they're normally countered by the other side's PVPers.) That's not something to worry about here.
You're essentially standing in the desert and saying you're worried about drowning.
FWIW, this game got me interested in PVP again. Prior to this? Dealing with FPS and people who decided they didn't want to point a "noob" somewhere they could learn, or help out, or things like Diablo/Diablo II's community... yeah, that turned me off (after being so *into* it in things like Netmech and its Registry.)
Don't let "I hear about in other games...." do much for your opinion. This isn't "other games." This is COH.
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the main problem they have is that the basic engine and came design for CoH was not made with PvP in mind and would have to actually be designed from ground up to be a good, balanced system
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As a pvp'er on champion and a resident pvp league-ist....after talking to several cohorts we came up with this...
No one is screaming butt hurt over i-13...we're just tired of watching PVP die...here's our proposals...and since our Champ league has spawned new blood we want to see it thrive...
Most of our events are held in WB because of the FFA style....since so many villians have moved to heroes...there is a lack of opposition on red side. and RV on CHAMP is dead...
Our server has voiced as a collective...from the many KBs we run...an FFA/ no HD/ no DR/ no TS ...completely apart from RV, maybe on a praetorian map, devoid of badgers...
You could even make it VIP oriented....you pay to play in that zone....no badges, no set IOs...no incarnates...you're build for build. PvP'ers are VIPs too....
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