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So they can start losing money on a VIP after a year, or so?
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Originally Posted by Yellowbeard
It's time to allow those of us who are interested to lock in permanent VIP status for COHF. What are the chances?
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Just about zero.
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part of me really wants to bring out the old dead horse picture for this thread...|
Originally Posted by Yellowbeard
It's time to allow those of us who are interested to lock in permanent VIP status for COHF. What are the chances?
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but honestly... after today's bombshell... I really can't fault you for trying.
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agreed
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Originally Posted by je_saist
part of me really wants to bring out the old dead horse picture for this thread...
but honestly... after today's bombshell... I really can't fault you for trying. |
Oh man
I was joking
When I suggested lifetime subs up in the announcement thread this morning.
Devs I apologize for starting this. 
Please forgive me.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Oh man
I was joking When I suggested lifetime subs up in the announcement thread this morning. |
Well for the record, if the devs were to give this idea even the remotest consideration I would think they would be wise to offer it with strict limitations to prevent it backfiring in their faces and end up costing the company a significant part of their future revenues.
For example only offering it to customers that have had active accounts for at least 6 or 7 years.
Or make them cost like $1000
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"If" the devs were to consider the option, I'd say... "Any Account with a retail code from CoH to CoV release with at least 3 years subscribed time"|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Well for the record, if the devs were to give this idea even the remotest consideration I would think they would be wise to offer it with strict limitations to prevent it backfiring in their faces and end up costing the company a significant part of their future revenues.
For example only offering it to customers that have had active accounts for at least 6 or 7 years. |
Yes... this time period was actually calculated for the time difference between the launch of City of Villains and Issue 13:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Issue_13
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/City_of_Villains
As to why I would suggest it... well... honestly... I think it'd be a nicer gesture to a subsection of the player population.
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I remember the same speculation about Free2Play.
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Originally Posted by Smersh
Just about zero.
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How many lifetime subs are given out after 7 years? The general use for lifetime subs is when the game is coming out to get a quick influx of income and get people on the idea that it will be cheaper in the end if they do it that way.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
I remember the same speculation about Free2Play.
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Maybe a lifetime dinghy, then.
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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
How many lifetime subs are given out after 7 years? The general use for lifetime subs is when the game is coming out to get a quick influx of income and get people on the idea that it will be cheaper in the end if they do it that way.
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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
How many lifetime subs are given out after 7 years? The general use for lifetime subs is when the game is coming out to get a quick influx of income and get people on the idea that it will be cheaper in the end if they do it that way.
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I was pointing out that everyone said F2P would never happen.
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Given the huge paradigm shift that Freedom represents, it is not out of the question to ask if lifetime subscriptions are on the table. I would be surprised if there were not a segment of the community interested in this.
I plan on using the store frequently and spending money beyond my subscription paragon point bonus. The same would apply with a lifetime sub. So, beyond an armchair business analysis, who would like it if we had the freedom to choose a lifetime sub?
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Originally Posted by Yellowbeard
Given the huge paradigm shift that Freedom represents, it is not out of the question to ask if lifetime subscriptions are on the table. I would be surprised if there were not a segment of the community interested in this.
I plan on using the store frequently and spending money beyond my subscription paragon point bonus. The same would apply with a lifetime sub. So, beyond an armchair business analysis, who would like it if we had the freedom to choose a lifetime sub? |
Looking at this page: http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/fre...es.html#tabs-4
And considering that we already know controllers / MM's are unlocked for "premium players" under the Paragon Rewards program...
Could you tell me the difference between a life-time subscription and the premium subscription?
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No they didn't.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
I was pointing out that everyone said F2P would never happen. |
A few people said it would never happen.
A few people have been saying the game was going to go F2P every three months for years.
Most people said it may very well happen but not until it the income from subs drops to the point where switching to a F2P business model is more profitable.
But there was never a consensus that going F2P would never happen.
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As I it currently stands, there would be no meaningful gameplay difference between a lifetime sub and the standard sub plan with Freedom. The devs are of course free to adorn lifetime subscribers with more benefits. I would be happy giving the game a lump sum payment for permenant VIP status and then using my budgeted monthly COHF money on in game items beyond the monthly PP bonus.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
Let me pose a question to you Yellowbeard:
Looking at this page: http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/fre...es.html#tabs-4 And considering that we already know controllers / MM's are unlocked for "premium players" under the Paragon Rewards program... Could you tell me the difference between a life-time subscription and the premium subscription? |
I hope that answers your question je_sais.
IF they offered a lifetime subscription, I would guess it to cost about $250-300.
I would expect it to give full access to all VIP content, 400 free Paragon Points a month, plus automatic access to any content from the Paragon Points store that was not consumable. (Consumables should still cost extra.) --OR-- full access to all VIP content and a larger than 400 free Paragon Points per month stipend; I'm thinking 1200 minimum.
All Paragon Reward program benefits should be automatically unlocked as well.
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And yes, I would buy a lifetime subscription for my primary account (but probably not for my secondary account).
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Seriously Je Saist? You need to have the difference between a hypthetical lifetime subscription and a premium account explained to you?|
Originally Posted by je_saist
Could you tell me the difference between a life-time subscription and the premium subscription?
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Okay here ya go.
Disclaimer: This is not real. It was faked up to show Je Saist the difference between a lifetime sub and a premium account.
See Je Saist? A lifetime sub gets all the benefits of a VIP account without having to pay a sub fee for rest of the time the game remains active.
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You completely missed the point I was making to Yellowbeard.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Seriously Je Saist? You need to have the difference between a hypthetical lifetime subscription and a premium account explained to you?
Okay here ya go. Disclaimer: This is not real. It was faked up to show Je Saist the difference between a lifetime sub and a premium account. *snip image because you didn't get the point I was making* See Je Saist? A lifetime sub gets all the benefits of a VIP account without having to pay a sub fee for rest of the time the game remains active. |
Let me pose the question another way:
What players wanting a life-time-subscription asking for?
- Is it to play the game without charge?
- Or is it to get all the bonus's of playing the game without charge?
Depending on your vet status you "probably" aren't loosing anything that you've already gained in game.
And if anything you may be able to save some cash just buying new staff out of Paragon Points.
Now, if a person is looking to get all of the bonus's for having a subscription without paying the costs of a subscription... now we are back to why Life-time Subscription are a BAD FINANCIAL IDEA.
An idea that has been shot down by anybody who has participated in Economics 001. Not necessarily graduated mind you... but participated.
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First off thanks for taking time to clarify your question.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
You completely missed the point I was making to Yellowbeard.
Let me pose the question another way: What players wanting a life-time-subscription asking for?
Depending on your vet status you "probably" aren't loosing anything that you've already gained in game. And if anything you may be able to save some cash just buying new staff out of Paragon Points. Now, if a person is looking to get all of the bonus's for having a subscription without paying the costs of a subscription... now we are back to why Life-time Subscription are a BAD FINANCIAL IDEA. An idea that has been shot down by anybody who has participated in Economics 001. Not necessarily graduated mind you... but participated. |
Now I'm pretty confident we can assume that the answer people will give to your question is the second one and I agree that it's a bad financial idea unless there are extreme restrictions as to whom it is offered as well as only for a limited time frame.
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Well, I never said that. I did think it was unlikely they would go all the way to the hybrid model, but something like it was probably inevitable.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
I was pointing out that everyone said F2P would never happen.
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Lifetime subscriptions are a great idea - for the players. Its a bad idea financially for Paragon Studios. The very fact that I would jump at the prospect is *why* I would advise Paragon not to offer them. In this case, good for me is bad for them, and bad for the game in the long run.
And every dollar they lose from a lifetime subscriber that hangs around forever is that much less content everyone gets, or that much more money they have to earn by shifting a higher percentage of the generated content from VIP-included to ala carte.
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Oh, sure, just keep rubbing it in that I failed Intro to Economics, the class where 95% of students get an A... |
Originally Posted by je_saist
An idea that has been shot down by anybody who has participated in Economics 001. Not necessarily graduated mind you... but participated.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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I want to pay a large, one-off fee to not pay any future subscriptions. I'd rather not have to budget for the sub every month/few months and instead feel good knowing that I've already paid for it.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
You completely missed the point I was making to Yellowbeard.
Let me pose the question another way: What players wanting a life-time-subscription asking for?
Depending on your vet status you "probably" aren't loosing anything that you've already gained in game. And if anything you may be able to save some cash just buying new staff out of Paragon Points. Now, if a person is looking to get all of the bonus's for having a subscription without paying the costs of a subscription... now we are back to why Life-time Subscription are a BAD FINANCIAL IDEA. An idea that has been shot down by anybody who has participated in Economics 001. Not necessarily graduated mind you... but participated. |
I would even go without the 400 Paragon points per month and just buy things from the store as one-offs.
Now, I'll settle for a Premium account if I can buy access to everything VIPs have, apart from the server which I'm not bothered about, from the store. I know that isn't the case and I know why it's not the case, it's just how I feel.
I can, however, cope without getting my own way.
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It's time to allow those of us who are interested to lock in permanent VIP status for COHF. What are the chances?