But what do you really mean by ticket cap?
Get to the halfway point of the max tickets for a map and click the mission end glowie?
-With insps or without? If with, any reason why I shouldn't load up on tier3 reds before going in?
What about time to capped tickets, meaning 9999 tickets? Wouldn't that be a far more meaningful test?
Be well, people of CoH.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
What about time to capped tickets, meaning 9999 tickets? Wouldn't that be a far more meaningful test?
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Inf/min is a metric to gauge kill speed and has nothing to do with influence.| This is interesting, if you can manage to ticket cap (I’m sick of all these inf/min numbers, that’s where the REAL farming efficacy actually matters) |
Seriously, how do you of all people still not get this? You've followed the topics speaking about this. You've asked that same question. The answer was already given to you.
Additionally (and again rehashing what was said again - is this topic from 2008?), plenty of people farm to powerlevel, not to make money. The market is generally a more efficient way to make money, unless one plays and is willing to farm for hours daily.
I think that's what's truly being looked at is essentially how fast to ticket cap. You are totally right that the market is where the moneys at.
So what did you do Bill slot for mostly acc and rechg when using SOs?
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
This would kill some of the older, slower system out there... mine takes 30+ seconds to load
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It seems that some folks are stating that burst farming is all that matters but we all know that no one can sustain the levels that they're stating they hit if they're spending more time outside of the mission restocking large reds, waiting for powers to recharge, etc.
Same goes for load times. It's a a real world value that will affect someone's actual farming speed over time.
Saw one guy mention that he keeps a teammate around all the time for venge-bait. What about the time to load in the teammate, get him killed and cast vengeance? Was that being included in run times or should it be ignored completely anyway?
Don't get me wrong: If the general opinion is that all we care about is max burst performance for a two minute period, I'll build for max recharge and recovery and completely ignore followup and mitigation since I'll be soft-capped and damage capped while diving in. Edit: Actually, if that's all we care about, the answer can be given with math because on these maps, aoe radius means nothing.
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
Additionally (and again rehashing what was said again - is this topic from 2008?), plenty of people farm to powerlevel, not to make money. The market is generally a more efficient way to make money, unless one plays and is willing to farm for hours daily.
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Or is the whole topic completely irrelevant due to the complete lack of consensus on what constitutes a "proper" farm run?
In the other thread you also brought up map inefficiencies. If we're going to take that into account, what else should be considered? Point on that: I ran three different maps last night and they all seemed to be in the same ballpark on inf/min so as per my PM to you, if you have a map in mind it would be helpful.
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Originally Posted by BeastMan
So what did you do Bill slot for mostly acc and rechg when using SOs?
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I am wondering if Mu PPP with the two aoes from it is the better choice than pyre for fireball especially if backed by the reactive incarnate with its fire DoT stacking on them.
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One thing your SO results got me wondering:
Is a Mace/ Claws/ Elec/ DB/ Axe/ Fire better than SS/ FA for farming at SO only levels of build?
I would guess yes, as they all have more aoes they can leverage with slower recharge times.
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I brought that up as well in the best farmer thread with a db/fire brute and SOs. Sad thing I'd be willing to test the theory on the same map with toons from 1 to 50.|
Originally Posted by Test_Rat
One thing your SO results got me wondering:
Is a Mace/ Claws/ Elec/ DB/ Axe/ Fire better than SS/ FA for farming at SO only levels of build? I would guess yes, as they all have more aoes they can leverage with slower recharge times. |
As far as testing is concern Bill Z, I think you could discuss both in terms of tickets/min or leveling speed. As far as time goes for those of us casual players 8 to 16 hrs is still a better option than say 100 hrs of the same old grind.
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I generally run 5 missions (one arc) counting everything but load times. And yes use insp, but that time you go and load un on t3s should be counted as time you spent farming for that reason i only use what is dropped. Just like how i see people often go over and buy reds at the vendor before a mission, that should be counted. Everything but load times, which the player has no control over, is counted including time outside of the map.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
But what do you really mean by ticket cap?
Get to the halfway point of the max tickets for a map and click the mission end glowie? -With insps or without? If with, any reason why I shouldn't load up on tier3 reds before going in? What about time to capped tickets, meaning 9999 tickets? Wouldn't that be a far more meaningful test? |
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
This would kill some of the older, slower system out there... mine takes 30+ seconds to load
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
Inf/min is a metric to gauge kill speed and has nothing to do with influence.
Seriously, how do you of all people still not get this? You've followed the topics speaking about this. You've asked that same question. The answer was already given to you. Additionally (and again rehashing what was said again - is this topic from 2008?), plenty of people farm to powerlevel, not to make money. The market is generally a more efficient way to make money, unless one plays and is willing to farm for hours daily. |
I guess it's not that i don’t like that people are using inf/min it’s just that that’s ALL they are posting, generally the settings is all that’s included. There is stuff like tix/min, kill/min (how many bosses, minions, and LTs but i dont know if hero stats gives that), damage for each power, how many times you used each power. And let’s not forget you rarely see someone give averages from a large number of missions.
Edit: and insp used as well should be included
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This is a great experiment, Bill. I'm eager to see your results as you progress.
One comment on farm best practices: Bill if you're not already using insp-combine macros, you should be. You end up getting/using more damage insps in less time that way.
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I'm working on my stone/fire brute; as much as I like fault for the burn patch and tremor to keep them on their butts, its not on par with the mace/ claws/ elec/ db/ axe/ fire builds as far as leveling with SOs. My brute's currently at level 33 with +0/x8 and a drone, haven't been able to use herostats with two COH versions running so I'll have to do a test run tomorrow to see how bad its lacking.
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Originally Posted by Rad_Avenger
Most of this was hashed to death and then re-hashed some more in the Very Best Farmer? thread a little ways down. Midway through the thread it turns into a bit of a semantics pissing match, but its otherwise a good thread.
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At level 8 if I run AE farm with fire based mobs I get completely distroyed, only fire shield doesnt really make the job. Should I run -1x8? Doesnt AE missions with selft created baddies have lower xp rewards? At what level should I set the missions?
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Originally Posted by Nightchill_EU
I v been through the thread and its mostly SS have a bigger on, Claw has a bigger one, Elec has a bigger one and trolling all over the place. Can you please explain me what setting on mission use to optimise xp/hour (and what insp to use).
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Anyway, pretty interested to see what happens with this. I personally think claws has better AoE. It'll be nice to see some actual tests and experience.
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This doesnt seem right I really dont believe you can make it solo to 50 in 10 hours.
well...
Just for fun I made a new fire shield brute, and sidekicked to my claws/fire brute, who has tier 4 ageless, tier 4 Musculature, tier 4 Pyronic Judgement, and tier 3 Reactive.
With +4/8 on a 50 AE map that I created with 5 missions, Including load times and me getting food and a few bios, took me 2 chats with the AE computer, and 2 hours of button mashing to go from level 1 to level 36.
I wasn't looking at ticket caps or money earned.
Just looked at going from level 1 to whatever level I could in two resets of the AE mission arc.
I am going to say 8 to 16 hours, would certainly get me to 50. Probably sooner.
210 50s and still counting!
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Originally Posted by Nightchill_EU
This doesnt seem right I really dont believe you can make it solo to 50 in 10 hours.
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I took a little more time - my SS/FA Brute was in the high teens / low twenties, mainly because I exited AE every five levels to get my Invader badge pre-reqs.
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Originally Posted by Nightchill_EU
This doesnt seem right I really dont believe you can make it solo to 50 in 10 hours.
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Be well, people of CoH.
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Unless I missed something, setting your diff at -1 does nothing in AE. I tried doing that and I got even con mobs. One thing to know about the ambush farms, the items that you attack to set off the ambushes have three waves worth of ambushes in them. In other words, don't try to destroy the item completely from the start, or you'll get three ambushes at once. Since power gaming like this is one of the few things I haven't tried, I broke down and made a Claws/fire just to see how easy it could be done since it seems to be so easy. At level ten my setting is at 0x1. |
Originally Posted by Nightchill_EU
At level 8 if I run AE farm with fire based mobs I get completely distroyed, only fire shield doesnt really make the job. Should I run -1x8? Doesnt AE missions with selft created baddies have lower xp rewards? At what level should I set the missions?
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I need to grab the binds to convert inspirs, but I do think getting the second shield and at least DOs/common IOs in the build will start to help a lot. I wouldn't touch a fire farm until at least 8, and 12, or 16 would be even better.
One thing to notice is that there's an insp vendor right there in AE. I felt really dumb once I had that pointed out to me. There's no reason not to have 4 purples and a whole lot of reds active when you enter the map.
So I tried again this morning and died again (with first toggle and temperature pretection without sloting) on pretty much every single spawns. So I just loged my Thermal on another account and buffed my butt outside to 90% fire resist every 4 minutes.
Xp doesnt seem very impressive at the first glance, compared to what can achieve my x4 t3 DM/SD scrapper with pure PL but I suspect it becomes better with level. I also have to start buying insp.
Note: I am not Claw! But Stone. I have Sand of Mu.
Having an real aoe at level 6 makes a lot of difference.
Be well, people of CoH.
Using a lethal version of the most popular farm, I am self PLing my Mace/Shield Defense toon in order to get invader done on a couple of alts too.
In 3 days maybe 2 hours a day farming (not including the breaks to set up the relogging on the mayhem missions, and selling ticket rolls) I have gotten to level 30.
And I am no where near as fast/easy as a Fire armor on a Fire map would be.
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Can you do a quick recap of that argument? Because I can see how spin has better damage and faster recharge than footstomp, but that's before you take double stacked rage into account. Does the impressive-looking damage bonus of rage get ED-ed into irrelevancy when you pop enough red inspirations, or something?
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I remember a while back getting into a discussion where I showed that, by the math, claws is superior to super strength for farming.
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I did two more runs this morning and went from 10 to 12. I had Spin topping out at 201, but then got it up to 214. This being a makeshift level 50 and no enhancement slotting. Without AoE, this to me would be a frustrating process. Stone, IIRC, has longer recharges so that will make the process slower as well.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Having an real aoe at level 6 makes a lot of difference.
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Outside of survival issues, end is a huge concern. Now that the build is level 12, I'll e-mail the build some level 15 common IOs and keep the extra in my e-mail so I can grab them as I level. I'm just glad my fire resist is going from 22% into the 50s now that I got Temp. Protect. and some enhancements. Hasten, Plasma Shield, and Focus are up next for powers so I'm happy about that. I just need to figure out how far I can boost the diff setting now.
This is interesting, if you can manage to ticket cap (I’m sick of all these inf/min numbers, that’s where the REAL farming efficacy actually matters) in about 1:30 or so consistently i think it would be safe to say claws/fire is better...until then though.
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