The Current State of the Market


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I’ve been, sort of, away from the game for a while, and now that I’m back I’m trying to adjust to this bold new world, and am looking to liquefy some of my assets.

Consequently I have a few questions for the Masters of Marketeering, the Cardinals of Currency, the Gurus of the Green, the Pontiffs of Profit, in short; the Market Forum Regulars.

Question 1 – What is the current effective inf value of a Merit (conventional Merit, not Alignment Merit)?

Question 2 – If I have a large bundle of Merits, what is the best way to spend them if all I want is wealth? Is it more cost effective to do a collection of random rolls or just by up a premium recipe (craft it?) and sell that on the Market?

Question 3 – What is the current effective inf value of AE Tickets?

Thanks in advance for your responses.

(PS: I apologise to anyone who looked at the thread title and was expecting a hilarious, deranged rant.)


 

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I would put the value of a merit somewhere around 600K maybe a little more.

For liquidation unless you are earning more than 50 per day or are in a huge hurry I would recommend converting them to Alignment Merits and spending those. Since an alignment merit is worth about 100 merits you're effectively buying 50 merits at 400K each when you do the conversion. As for direct buys versus random rolls it's hard to say which is better. I think random rolls are a bit better on average but I haven't really been doing ti much myself so I can't say.


 

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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood View Post
As for direct buys versus random rolls it's hard to say which is better. I think random rolls are a bit better on average but I haven't really been doing ti much myself so I can't say.
My experience with randoms was pretty bad so I went for the sure thing. Even if it is less on average, I prefer it to going through multiple bad rolls before striking gold.


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Yeah, the problem with random rolls, as always, is that there's only a small handfull of recipes that are worth anything significant, and everything else is junk with very little "in the middle" (IE, worth more than their vendor price but not a big seller). Now, I still do random rolls because I like the thrill of the gamble and hoping i get something big... and also my characters are currently outfited the way I want them so neither enhancements or their value mean much to me. I just like getting "the big prize".

However, if you're trying to make money, it's not the best way to go. Yeah, you can always roll a miracle, a numina, and 2 LotG procs... but you can also end up with 4 Crap of the Hunters. I kid you not that happened to me once. ;_;


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Go for the direct buy on certain things. It allows you to pick the level of the recipe. lvl 20 miracles and lvl 30 numina and lvl 25 lotg are definately wanted more so than the others because you can use them as you level. In the case of the LoTG its more exemplar friendly. The random can be done once you cherry pick everything else if you have the luck for it. I do not use random because I always end up with a ton of crap recipes I can not do anything with that I would never craft and would only vendor them. Those of you with better luck might come out better with the random roll but for me its off limits.


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Yeah, the problem with random rolls, as always, is that there's only a small handfull of recipes that are worth anything significant, and everything else is junk with very little "in the middle" (IE, worth more than their vendor price but not a big seller). Now, I still do random rolls because I like the thrill of the gamble and hoping i get something big... and also my characters are currently outfited the way I want them so neither enhancements or their value mean much to me. I just like getting "the big prize".

However, if you're trying to make money, it's not the best way to go. Yeah, you can always roll a miracle, a numina, and 2 LotG procs... but you can also end up with 4 Crap of the Hunters. I kid you not that happened to me once. ;_;
I random roll on my toons when they're leveling from 30-33 (I specifically slow down to get maximum value), and I parked a Stalker at 30 for the purpose of random rolling (even if there are items of low value in Pool CD, I may still need them for my builds). Otherwise I use them for:

LoTG 7.5% Level 30
Numina Reg/Rec
Miracle Rec
Performance Shifter +End Level 21
Basilisk's Gaze Quad Level 30
Celerity Stealth Level 15

I don't even sell these usually - I just slot them. Stockpiling on a couple toons for Gladiator Armor unique as well.


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I find that the "practical minimum" for many crafted Pool C's is around 10 million. There are utter junk recipes still and always, but there are some things in the middle. Devastation, Aegis, things like that.

If I'm buying specific recipes, something that was very good (and very well known) for a very long time was Kinetic Combat Def/End and Def/Rech. It dropped down last I looked, but it might be back up; it was 100-150 million for a single h/v merit in the golden months, 60ish last I looked.


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If you are going to do random rolls, convert the merits to alignment merits. You do spend 20 million per roll but you get 5 random rolls for 50 merits, essentially half price.

Working the market and crafting I/O's is far more reliable, so I would suggest stockpiling them and using them to buy specifc things for future toons.

Like say a stealth proc you can slot at level 12. Quite handy.


 

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Thanks for the advice and information all. I had forgotten about converting reward merits into alignment merits, and that is good to know. Unfortunatly, my largest stockpile of reward merits is on my Rogue which makes conversion a little... tricky .


 

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Question 1 – What is the current effective inf value of a Merit (conventional Merit, not Alignment Merit)?

Question 2 – If I have a large bundle of Merits, what is the best way to spend them if all I want is wealth? Is it more cost effective to do a collection of random rolls or just by up a premium recipe (craft it?) and sell that on the Market?

Question 3 – What is the current effective inf value of AE Tickets?
I did an experiment on 9999 ae tix. I wanted to know how much profit bronze or silver rolls will be when sold crafted.
Summary:
Bronze 30 rolls crafted: 419,410,192
Silver 30 rolls crafted: 419,410,192
Avg profit per bronze: 2,890,846

1 rare salvage = 540 tix = avg of 2 mil if sold
1 Silver roll = 525 tix
525 tix = 7 bronze 30 rolls
7 Bronze 30 rolls avg profit: 20,235,924
Compare to Avg Profit/Silver roll: 12,198,533

Bronze 30 = 70 tix, so 2,890,846/70 = 41297 inf / 1 tix
1 Silver roll = 525 tix, so 12,198,533/540 = 22589 inf / 1 tix

However, crafted silver rolls sell faster than bronze. For 9999 ae tix, there is also 7x more crafting time involved in bronze vs silver, since 9999 tix yield 140 bronze rolls.

If you don't like crafting, I suggest selling rare salvage or common salvage lvls 1-40. Alchemical silver is going as high as 300k sometimes and 1 common salvage roll is 8 tix or 300,000/8 = 37500 inf / 1 tix

For merits, I suggest going hero and villain and exchanging those R-merits to A-merits, like what other people suggested. Depending on the market, exchange A-merits for Lotg7.5, kin combat or Miracle.

Organica did a A-merit roll test. Her results were an avg of 77 mil for 5 crafted rolls/1 A-merit. This means that an exchanged recipe worth 1 A-merit must sell for 77 mill or more if crafted. If 1 a-merit crafted IO sells less than 77 mil, then it might be better to roll random for 5.


 

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Originally Posted by Pendix View Post
I’ve been, sort of, away from the game for a while, and now that I’m back I’m trying to adjust to this bold new world, and am looking to liquefy some of my assets.

Consequently I have a few questions for the Masters of Marketeering, the Cardinals of Currency, the Gurus of the Green, the Pontiffs of Profit, in short; the Market Forum Regulars.

Question 1 – What is the current effective inf value of a Merit (conventional Merit, not Alignment Merit)?

Question 2 – If I have a large bundle of Merits, what is the best way to spend them if all I want is wealth? Is it more cost effective to do a collection of random rolls or just by up a premium recipe (craft it?) and sell that on the Market?

Question 3 – What is the current effective inf value of AE Tickets?

Thanks in advance for your responses.

(PS: I apologise to anyone who looked at the thread title and was expecting a hilarious, deranged rant.)
1. I'll be honest, I think that merits are best collected in batches of 50 and converted to A-merits. I haven't run the numbers to see if there is any arbitrage, but I kind of doubt you are going to get a sweeter deal from regular merits.

2. Assuming wealth in in terms of inf, convert convert convert! I like the random rolls personally, but others swear by picking and choosing.

3. Not sure. The money in AE tickets has historically been in bronze rolls, but I stopped doing that a long time ago because choosing and crafting took a lot more effort than I was willing to give. Prices dropped a lot on most of these items, which partially explains my lethargy.


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I forgot to mention that the toon doing the rolls is a lvl 50. This means that the recipes I got are at the max lvl for the recipe range. In Fulmen's case, his rolls are at lvl 15, which probably isn't as profitable as lvl 50 recipes.


 

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AE tickets: Out of curiousity, I took a L15 [or so] character, locked XP, paid for an AE run, and rolled bronze.

I paid 10M and got income of something like 60M, but I only tried it once...
I was playing around in the lvl 15 bronze sector for awhile. It probably would have been smarter to get someone to take me on an AE run, but I just ground it out with a level locked Elec/Ice dom. My takeaways were: lvl 10-14 rolls were marginally better than 15-19 rolls, I supplied a whole lot of frankenslot recipes and IOs for lowbies, and there were only a handful of IOs that made me any real inf. Eventually, I just focused on those and traded them, but the turnover was very slow.


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I random roll on my toons when they're leveling from 30-33 (I specifically slow down to get maximum value), and I parked a Stalker at 30 for the purpose of random rolling (even if there are items of low value in Pool CD, I may still need them for my builds). Otherwise I use them for:

LoTG 7.5% Level 30
Numina Reg/Rec
Miracle Rec
Performance Shifter +End Level 21
Basilisk's Gaze Quad Level 30
Celerity Stealth Level 15

I don't even sell these usually - I just slot them. Stockpiling on a couple toons for Gladiator Armor unique as well.
This describes my behavior perfectly. I roll everything I can in the 30-33 range, mostly for my own use, and I use certain characters to save a-merits for Glad uniques. ^_^



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This describes my behavior perfectly. I roll everything I can in the 30-33 range, mostly for my own use, and I use certain characters to save a-merits for Glad uniques. ^_^
Most of my 50s are probably gonna be stockpiling for Glad Uniques - If I want LoTGs or Numina/Miracles I'll drop the 32 Astral Merits.


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