Dual Pistols debuffs

Just thinking as I play my Dual Pistols Blaster that it would be more fun if the debuffs from "swap ammo" were more noticeable. I find most of the time I am just using "Incendiary" rounds and they are clearly visible, but the other ammo types perhaps could be beefed up.


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It'd be nice if the base damage of DP was beefed up, to make it so you didn't 'Need' (yes I know, that one word is going to get people moaning at it) Incendiary just to do comparitive damage, thanks to DPs longer animations. Dam/perA wise, I'm pretty sure DP lags behind nearly every other set. The two other lethal sets, AR and Archery, make up for the common damage type with either very fast animations (Archery) or high damage and massive AoE capacity (AR).
DP has niether, and it's main selling point Swap Ammo really doesn't do much to help close the gap, certainly not in my experience of Blasters.

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I have to be honest here - Dual Pistols was the catalyst that finally made me delete all of my Blasters, 50 and otherwise. And I don't want to make it sound like I rage-deleted them all. More, I realised that I loved the set's concept but HATED the long animations, and any AT which makes me hate beautiful animations isn't something I want to deal with.

Dual Pistols suffers from slowness and lack of damage, and the "swap ammo" mechanic is little more than a gimmick, at least for Blasters. Yes, if you're a Defender with decent debuff mods and a debuff secondary, I'm sure the secondary effects of the powers might be great, but as a Blast set, it bombs.

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Well it could also do with a damage improvement, but personally I love the animations so much that I am not really that bothered about the damage per activation time. Yes, it relies on Incendiary rounds for better damage. Now, if the slows of cryo and the damage reduction of chemical were as useful as incendiary this could be a lot more balanced.

So, since we're begging in the suggestions forum please give us better base damage and improved debuffs. Oh!

Thanks.

I don't mind that it is slow and i love the animations. It needs some love though. My thoughts about the debuffing are because we miss out on "Aim" and get "Swap Ammo". It should be as powerful as "Aim" or more powerful even as the set relies on it to have at least useful secondary properties.

I have to play the bad guy for a min and say that with IO sets, DP is pretty good. Notice I didn't say awesome or killer or something like that, but I would put it at about 70%.

With that said, I wouldn't mind an increase in the debuff/DoT areas.

I happen to like the animations, but that's because my dual pistols concept character is someone who would use those animations. I feel the pain of anyone who was hoping to be able to make an Old Western gunslinger character.

It needs love somewhere. My personal preference would be for shorter recharge (accompanied by lower endurance costs, for balance). Any gunslinger character I can think of has the same "awesome factor": the quickness with which they fire/reload their weapons and dispatch enemies. This idea would contribute to what the animations are already trying to do (make the set look fast a la The Matrix, Equilibrium, etc.) and contribute to DPS, which could make Swap Ammo's lack-of-effectiveness a moot issue.

However, I'd also be happy to see an increase in debuff numbers or an increase in damage output.

I was never quite clear as to why Pistols (the Tier 1 power of the set) did not get debuffs. That alone would give the set's debuff ability a small bump.

(yes pistols needs a debuff considering how often I use it)

Cryo should be comparable to Ice set, fire should work a lot more like fire, and chemical... well... it should at least be good for doing more than turning the bullet-trails a groovy shade of green.

Damage buff? Yes please. It is unlikely that the set will get different animations. Honestly, I hope it doesn't - I love them! So better debuffs it probably the best thing that could be done apart from an outirght damage increase. Both please

You know, it's probably an unpopular opinion to have, but I never understood why "pistols" equates "debuffs." I'm not saying it's impossible or stupid, but these are not two tasty tastes that taste tasty together, not intrinsically. A pistol is "a gun that makes holes," to quote Weatly. This is kind of like that suggestion for an "Electrical Hammer" in ye olde powerset poll. Thor aside, what does "hammer" have to do with "electrical?"

To me, the way they went about implementing Dual Pistols is kind of like implementing a whip sword. Yeah, I'm sure it could exist in reality and yeah, I've seen it in more than a few games, but it's an awfully bizarre and specific thing to implement in place of either a whip or a sword, when generic powers are typically better for character creation than highly specific ones. And "Not JUST pistols!" is more specific than it needed to be.

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Im still impressed that DP hasnt got a damage buff yet.
One of the hypes of GR expansion, one of the most requested powersets since launch, one of the more coolest mechanics with swap ammo, and awesome animations just to let the set underperforming with mediocre damage.
Sometimes I just cant understand devs.

I think the swap ammo mechanic could be a lot more useful than it is now. As most people agree, the fire damage is the most common choice for the extra damage to bring it closer to the damage output of other sets. I sometimes use cryo ammo on harder bosses to have them attack me (slightly) less often and on some tough targets that aren't resistant to knockback, I have had a good time using standard ammo for soft control.

But I don't think I've seen ANYBODY use the chemical ammo type. Perhaps this could be replaced with a very small chance to apply a mag 1 hold to the target and make them vomit, like poison gas trap or volcanic gas? That would make it much more useful in the AoE attacks to knock out easier enemies temporarily, and if you keep attacking with regular attacks you could have a chance to stack enough mez to hold the boss that you're hammering on and make him vomit. (Not guaranteed, as that would be overpowered) I know I, for one, would be using chemical ammo a lot more if I could be making bad guys hurl their cookies.

Also I would like to see the effects of Suppressive Fire made different. As it stands, they all have the same effect except for standard ammo which applies a disorient. I'd like to see a small ice patch from Cryo ammo, perhaps a small DoT patch with incendiary ammo, and a small pulsating hold patch from chemical ammo. Give us some actual incentive to change the damage types around from time to time. All of these could be considered "suppressive fire" in their own way.

I think the big problem with Chemical ammo versus Cryo ammo is that they both essentially do the same thing: decrease incoming damage. I'm not sure what effect you could give Chemical to make it more different, but I do like chance for hold idea.