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Lag. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Originally Posted by XxSlashxX
...due to server lag (And it is indeed server lag. Hex Core processor and 12 gigs of DDR3 usually doesn't see much lag).
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Give me a minute to run the Crimson Arc, then I'll show up for the raid.
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Okay I was on that Raid and I'm in Spine's SG and when I read this I think I realized something that I would like to add something. Starborn Alliance never at any point said we would black list people from Hami Raids. How could we? It's an open zone the idea is foolish and pointless. It's like saying you can't AE in Kings Row, or only I can shop in this tech store. Good Luck with that.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Trix
So anyway, while I have some peeps starving for dramacorn, here's the scoop. During last weeks Hami Raid there was call out for people to stop using Destiny Powers, this was followed by the "leaders" threatening that anyone who disobeyed, would be barred from recieving invites to any future Hami Raids. Reaction was silly order, silly threat. Now the player in question, who I'll now reveal to be Lieran, took offense to this. In addition to being JFS, a Freedom vet, and player who a lot of you have teamed with on a regular basis, Lieran runs BAF raids on almost a daily basis which often includes members of the SG that was sending out general threat of a Hami Ban. So she sent in tells that she would do the same with her BAFS. The SG leading the Hami Raid threw out a lousy attitude, Lieran threw one back. As stated earlier she was over it when the raid was finished and didn't kick anyone from that SG from a BAF run shortly afterwards. I was trying to figure out where this whole "League of Extraordinary Bunnies" thing came from, it turns out she was on her bin alt. Lieran's not some isolated RP'er.
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Did people in Broadcast shout blacklist? Yes.
Were some in our SG? Probably I don't have a chat log to scroll through and check.
Did we in league talk about the one staring of people? Yes, however I feel that was an error in judgement. It should have been SG chat as to not badmouth people who came out to a raid organized by us. Still it was only people suggesting ways other then globally ignoring a player. Lieran can back that up cause even after they sent the tell saying we can't go to the BAF they run we didn't kick them from the league, so they saw the whole conversation, and they stayed for the duration so I didn't get the impression that they where all that mad.
STARB0RN even asked in vent "Did we pick a fight with an SG or something? Cause I'm getting tells from someone who's mad and I don't know why they are yelling at me I'm just leading the raid."
As for the call to stop using destiny there we 10 or 12 of us in vent watching frame rates when we used or came under the effect of a destiny power it dropped SHARPLY. Not just Barrier all of them, some less then others but still there one way or another. That's why we were calling for it to stop. Not just blaming a new thing but seeing a result of a power. I'm seeing it on CoP as well but admittedly I'm running CoP in the new league format and the one I went on a day before the one I run, witch was not in league but old school team, did have less lag.
Between the lag, the confusion, and the short tempers lag can cause this looks like a big misunderstanding to me. If we caused an issue shoot me a tell in game or a pm here cause I'm still new to Freedom but I have respect for what the players have built here and any issue with a long time member of the server is one I would like to resolve.
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Pray to whatever that I don't fall into those open sewers they call canals here. It's the fastest way to pick up something you don't want to take home with you.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Trix
Laser, I have no idea how to encourage you in a proper manner while you are in Amsterdam. I just hope you're having a blast!
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Sup Section, long time to see bro.
Customs- nice to see you chime in with the kat/cheeseburger link.
Seriously out now. Did you know that May 5th is the Dutch national founders day or something? And they all have the day off? And I'm here for this insane street party?
Oh, yes. I have stories. Many stories.
Ok, here's the fish I was looking to catch. No, not you Laser, but the post above you. Like I've said in most of my posts here this thread was never meant to be a debate or argument but a rather a highly sarcastic, mildly insulting, tongue-in-cheek reaction to a Hami-Raid where excessive attitude was thrown around. Threats like blacklisting, as harmless as they are, will cause players like me to annoy people like that without actually doing any harm to the actual goal. I didn't mention the SG by name since I figured everything would eventually come out in the open, but yeah most of the comments that ticked us off were from the same SG. This wasn't about defense of a use of a power, so if you say you saw frame rates drop I believe you, but if the same SG is trying to give an order while being disrespectful at the same time, people like me will disobey it for the fun of it. Not everyone that was doing it was J-Force. That being said, with the exception of Destiny powers, our members still did what they normally do during a Hami Raid.
It's true that no one was kicked from the league, and Lieran didn't kick anyone from your SG from the BAF she ran shortly after. No one I knew was really mad, but that won't stop me from bringing it up on the forums to comment. It's a nostalgic week and it the reactions I saw at Sunday's reminded me of what I've seen here before over the last seven years. If someone uses that as an opportunity to attempt to trash the reputation of one of our members...well, you see what happens. 
There are no hard feelings on this end, we enjoy situations like this. There shouldn't be any lingering issues going forward. Whether you realize it or not J-Force members are regulars at Hami Raids past and current and it's been years...well maybe a year, since there have been issues with our SG and Hami Raiders. We tend to follow the law of static.
Maybe a part of the communication issue is that we don't all really know each other. I see names and SG's but I have no way to seperate leaders from the peanut gallery. If you'd like send me a PM with contact information of leaders and the actual name of the SG since I'm still not 100% sure what the name is. My global is @Mr Trix (at least I hope it is otherwise I just sent billions to some lucky toon) if you want to contact me in game.
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And you still miss the point. You grant yourself a position of social dominance and expect people to jump with your grade school social skills and sledgehammer swinging at gnats. And with a player you know is solid. You are a treasure. Please keep posting moar. Because you're never wrong. Like ever.|
Originally Posted by XxSlashxX
Ah, and now the insults begin full swing. Having a productive conversation at this point is obviously lost, so I'll leave my thoughts there and be done with the measuring of E-Peni. Destiny Buffs seem to have been indeed the cause of lag, so apparently Hami Leaders aren't as dumb as some pompous 'since-beta,' 'people that matter' players think they are.
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What I got from the whole chain is that you should try and take a page from the Raid Leaders we've had that were successful over YEARS (Rose/Tammy) and go with the flow instead of trying to scare us with your e-peen of knowledge and way too long arguments as to why you're right. You want the big boy chair, act like you're a big boy. Works for my nephew when he's acting like a **** half his real age.
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Had to get this last bit in. What's the matter? You don't like America???? DEY STOLE ERRR JOBS! USA USA USA!!!!|
Originally Posted by XxSlashxX
You sound American. To each their own.
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/em pretends to know the lyrics to a Toby Keith song
Laser and Trix was able to sum it up my thoughts better than I did. It was clouded after I heard the threats against my friend...plus the hockey playoffs were on (did I mention that?).
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My takeaway from this thread is that piccie. Great find, Customs.
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Originally Posted by U_S_C_I
Sorry I'm a Rob-Come-Lately to the party but I still feel the need to chime in here.
Reading Slash's comments...well, I'm amused. He/She says many of the same things that the most successful leaders of our history have said. The Populous needs to be guided. The working class needs their boundaries.  --I had typed something really, really mean right here, but I've changed my mind. It's not worth it.-- Where the heck did this crap come from that activating your Destiny power is contributing to the lag? I can't even begin to tell you how flawed that thinking is. Might as well tell people that a fire blaster's Rain of Fire or a defender's Shadow Fall causes lag. Maybe we just all take down Hami with the Rocks that are dropped during special events. I think what really burns me is that you are accusing Lieran of trying to grief the Hami raid. Here's some things we need to get out of the way first...
Now on to what I've got to say. Who in the world are you to threaten to "blackball" anyone from future Hami raids? What divine authority has invested you with the mantle of leadership? I certainly missed that announcement from the Devs. I've been on this server for over six years now and I've seen all kinds of "griefing" happen during a Hami raid (Section's post has the most beautiful method I've ever been witness to). Monsters spawning, stealth blaster's spamming Confront in a crowd full of squishes, worthless pet spawning...you name it, I've seen it. I have no idea what your global is or what toons you have on Freedom...frankly, I don't care. All I know is that when players like you start to shout out orders backed up by threats, it brings out the creative in me. I'll do everything in my power to force that wrench between the rusty gears that you call a team. Sorry if my thoughts seem distracted, I'm doing something more important right now like watching the hockey playoffs. I have no idea what the heck the Caps are doing going down three in the series against Tampa but they need to start playing like the #1 Eastern Conference seed. My Blues never made it so I've got to cheer for someone...I've finished cheering for Boston as they have already eliminated the Habs and I've been feeling patriotic this week. Man, Tundy must be going nuts right now. Oh, yeah...I forgot about un-important you. I'm standing by my friend, who I know and trust. You managed to come off as some self-important hack who desires nothing more than to establish your own little "virtual empire" by threat of ostracism. |
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I'm sorry Spine but with this quote he wins.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Trix
/em pretends to know the lyrics to a Toby Keith song
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And Mr.Trix I'll shoot you a tell in game today or the dude that got your billion and ask him from where it came :P
The destiny buffs do make you receive a large number of data and can cause lag.
Especially in the league ui.
Even worse when you have a drove of lore pets out and they are all getting buffed.
Hopefully its fixed now.
I now present to you, XxSlashxX. Which I pronounce as "ECKS ecks / ecks ECKS."
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| I'd rather wear my birthday suit and live lag free than have buffs I can't benefit from |
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| If being banned from "League of the Extraordinary Bunnies" events is the backlash I get, sign me up. |
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| although I do like the CC idea |
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| it was done "in the secrecy of a crowded Hami" so it looked malicious. |
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| Who am I, or anyone else to tell someone how to play their toons? |
Leiran I am sorry that you were treated in such a way. I offer you an e-hug to make amends. I feel responsible for not trumping the raid leaders the way I should have, I assure you that you can use any buffs you want on the hami raids I run. And Trix, oh you american, your posts read like BBQing hotdogs at a baseball game on the 4th of july.
As one who has been sworn to secrecy inside of a crowded hami I swear to you that there is nothing malicious going on, and after I grant XxSlashxX increased density I think I will have commented on all the relevant points of his side of the discussion.
Now then, Who is up for some jello?
J-Man, why do you always wait until the dust is just starting to settle to get your shots in? So now that you're here, don't we have an Anniversary party to plan?
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...not if Laser decides steal them.|
Originally Posted by legendaryjman2
I assure you that you can use any buffs you want on the hami raids I run.
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True story: I was on my lvl 50 emp defender while Laser was on his lvl 31 blaster. This was a few years ago before the everyone being auto-SK'd to the max level of the task force. We were rolling a Manticore and I was giving all of my buffs to Laser so he could at least hit something. Second to last mish, one intelligent hero finally had enough and screamed out in team chat (yes, he used all caps) that Laser was stealing all of the buffs.
I tried to explain but then the team leader joined in...and then another joined in. We could easily see where this was going so Laser and I began to get creative. Right before the last mish, the team leader boots Laser and I from the team...leaving them with one healer/debuffer. Turns out that the healer/debuffer got upset that we got booted and he quit the team, too. This left them with nothing but four melee types to try and take on Hopkins.
They never completed it. Laser and I still laugh about it to this day.
Great. Not only did I miss a Hami raid, but I missed a forum dust-up over it too. Phoeey.
/em pouts.
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I had some time at work to read through all 3 pages of threads. Seriously? Who has this much time to read or post if not at work dicking around?
There will be game lag for every TF, Trial and Raid here and there. Do to Servers, Dev Development or just the lack of the Devs caring.
I know the leaders of almost all of the top 20 Sg's. If you are blaming them for everything said in league chat for a raid, TF or Trial that is ridiculous.
Those of you who are on vent, skype, or contacting one another just to feed on drama.....Good Luck on your future endeavors. You don't deserve to be on anything in the first place.
My motto is this is A GAME. Have fun. That's all.
Goddess, I've spoken to you before, I think you're funny and I liked our convo. I hate to tell you that your sig pic looks like you are eating a booger.
EDIT: I see you've changed the pic. Your new sig is awesome. NICE!
I will say this, I happened to be on that hami and every time barrier came up, I couldn't move. Yes people were saying don't use barrier but I don't remember the leaders of that team threatening to kick. Other people in the league were saying so cause they thought the person who did it anyways was a greifer.
People were saying don't use something that's new when the lag is new also. I think spamming hate is childish and makes no sense whatsoever to help the cause. We're all in this game together and all lag like stuttering stanleys.
Bottom line, if the LEADER of a team asks you who is NOT leading to do something for the better of the teammates, it won't hurt to just listen. You don't like it? There's the quit button.
I had no problem with the leader, the sg, the other people. Only thing I didn't like was a 2hour run that normally takes 15 minutes.
You wanna blame someone? Blame the people responsible for the major lag.
Devs, I love this game. For some of us, it's our only MMO. If the only new content which is awesome doesn't work, I will eventually run out of stuff to do. If you don't know how to fix it yet, don't sound as confused about it as we are. Give us something definite whether it be to hold on and maybe throw us an incentive here or there. Don't nerf inherent powers in ouroboros... thats not the answer. Plus I paid for ninja run & beast run with my booster packs. For some people that's their only travel power.
All the childish complaints from teams and the dev lag, I know a few people willing to try out DCU until either that or COH gets better.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Trix
J-Man, why do you always wait until the dust is just starting to settle to get your shots in? So now that you're here, don't we have an Anniversary party to plan?
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Now on to something important.
Devs, I would like a pony. I am not talking about a metaphysical pony, I am talking an in-game pony. I want a 4 legged rig that I can ride around on.
I love your game devs, but really, if you can't give me a pony then at least explain why you can't make one. If you offer some compensation for making me wait for a pony I will understand, otherwise I just might have to take up equestrianing IRL.
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Originally Posted by fortune8one
Don't nerf inherent powers in ouroboros... thats not the answer. Plus I paid for ninja run & beast run with my booster packs. For some people that's their only travel power.
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/em looks up for any mod lightning
Itwasafungameespeciallyifyoulikecomicssinceitssoim mersive
/em gasp ifyouliketosoloorinaduosituationit'sgreatbutwhente amingcommunicationwasclunky
/em dodge theworldandgameplayissoslickandthecutscenesareawes omeitsgreatselfcontainedfunbutitdoesnthavetheconte nttojustifyasub
/em ducks into an alley ifoundthattryingthegameoutforamonthisagoodremedyfo rCOHburnoutsinceyouhavefuninanewgamebutcometoappre ciatethethingsthatCOHdoesrightifthatmakesanysense
P.S. CoH is a fun game. That's all I know, honest.
J-Man- Lieran, if you were Paris Hilton, I'd be the chihuahua in your purse.
....and so ends the story of "How J-Man got his Pony"
/em fancybow
Roll Credits
Mr_Trix. I could see how my finger on my lips could look like that in that image. So Signature UPDATED. 
I am also glad that most people are sane enough to want a pony instead of gripe about things that are usually out of players control and usually more about game bugs, development issues, Dev's slackin off.
I think we all put this to bed yes? Awesome. Now let's go dance in Pocket D!
and this is how I feel about this entire discussion.....
You only fail if you give up. - Dana Scully
Time Jesum Transeuntum Et Non Riverentum - Nick Cave
We're not just destroyers, at the same time we can be saviors. - Allen Walker
LOL productive conversation...SUCKER!!!!!