Destiny Powers are the new griefing!!!

So during yesterday's Hami Raid, I had a little bit of CoH Deja Vu. Apparently, the word is that the new Destiny Powers cause major lag issues. I can't either confirm or deny that, but it brought back memories of the "OMG NO CAPES, AURAS, or PETS!!!" "NO FULCRUM SHIFT OR FREEZING RAIN!!" eras of Hami. When it's laggy in Hami blame the new stuff. What I can confirm is that use of Destiny powers will cause uptight raid leaders to have a hissy fit and accuse people using Destiny powers of griefing. Throwing around the "g" word like that and threatening a Hami blackball is just plain silly. Using a power as its intended is not griefing. Your threats of Hami blackball do not scare anyone since you cannot kick people out of the zone. Most players can perform their Hami role with their eyes closed. It makes me wonder if these toolboxes even remember what real hami griefing was like...

Anyway, this has just been a JFS PSA. Using Destiny Powers in the Hive will make Hami leaders cry. Now that you know, please don't do it.

JFS
Trix

Or maybe the Devs did something weird with Leagues (which also presumably affect Hami Leagues which sounds like you were in on)...

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...52#post3619452

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Originally Posted by Positron Hey guys, Thanks to your feedback we believe we have tracked down the cause of this lag (we did something weird with Leagues), we're working to get this resolved on the live servers as soon as possible. Thank you for your patience, understanding, and most of all your feedback on this situation.

Do you mean to say that those Dipwad Hami Leaders may have been wrong about Destiny Powers causing the lag??? Say it ain't so! Thanks for the link. Someone in our BAF last night also attributed the lag to the league chat after I had complained about my Hami experience. Consensus was LOL@Hami leaders.

Of course it's Destiny powers, even though Positron says it's something else. So once again, I repeat, please do not use your Destiny Powers in a Hami Raid. You got that? Especially Barrier, don't use Barrier in a Hami Raid, or else. The wrath of the one star and the sense of entitlement of people locked out of the Hive are looming Hami Raiders!!! Destiny power users you have been warned!

FWIW, the person sending you nasty tells lead a BAF and she let someone from your (or the one that took credit for the raid) SG stay on without kicking them. It was fun for me because while I was making fun of those Hami leaders that person said boo to defend them.

You do realize that "we did something weird with Leagues" can include how destiny buffs work. With leagues. Right?

And you did ill to address my concerns on people who don't follow directions, no matter how obscure it may be (Which it's not obscure, majority of the people last night agreed).

But you keep teaming with people like that.

That person's probably one of the people who holds on to Acid Grenades during the Lambda too, because they're pretty and he collects temps. But that's okay, because you can still complete it with all portals up, even though the team gets pissed and you make it a lot longer than it has to be (See what I did there?)

Like stated, if you don't like the way it's run, don't join it.

Had quite a few people who shot me tells thanking me for spotting one of them. If being banned from "League of the Extraordinary Bunnies" events is the backlash I get, sign me up. (Just kidding, I woulda signed up for that even without backlash). Bunnies? Virtue --->

This was never meant to be a debate, but rather open mocking of a recurring attitude when it comes to Hami over the last six years. Since you asked me to address it...You have to understand that you've presented the same argument regarding Hami Raids that had been placed in mothballs for a few years. (See the Tammy saga((I actually came to like Tammy after that)) What this server already knows is that Raid leaders aren't as necessary as they feel they are. Hami vets already know that some instructions don't need to be followed in order to be successful. Especially ones that aren't based on any real facts. I already know that, Freedom Forum readers already know that.

Attempting to define griefing is useless, since the only definition of griefing that matters is what gets petitioned and what receives punishment, not some usefulness versus annoyance ratio or intent analysis. I've been involved with Raids where the entire Hive was crying "griefer!" for over 15 minutes and we kept doing what we were doing even after the GM drone flew over paused and then flew. No one was punished, therefore no griefing Yes, this post is just to remind the vets of that story. I should have gotten together with J-Man and done a Memory Lane Story entitled "If you rez J-Man you're griefing!!!"

What's hypocritcal is that you fail to mention that the person in question and myself along with a few of my friends teamed with you on a successful Master of the Lambda last week. Though if someone doesn't do as they're told and follow instructions that don't matter, you have to portray them as a hypothetical acid holder or trial ruiner or whatever melodramatic imaginary scenario you want to present. Smear their character if they don't obey. Classy. If you are really that offended by teaming with "people like that" you should strip your toon of that Master of the Lambda title until you earn it again without their help.

If I don't like the way something is run I'm more likely to stay and comment here. It's fun for me Other than being a wiseguy I play along even if I don't agree. See ya in the Hive!

Trow moar dramacorn. /em sips soda

man this thread was getting good....have a feeling its gonna get thread locked though.....

I think this is actually a very valid debate, fiery comments aside.

Unfortunately, it seems like all of the logic falls apart if Destiny buffs do end up being part of the problem. Posi's statement, I agree, is too vague to argue either way really. Pulling to either side would be pure speculation on what we perceive to by a "quality" post, when in reality it was probably something Posi made with the intention of people NOT pulling it apart word-by-word. If you read further down in the thread, quite a few people mention Destiny being the culprit. Does that mean it is? NO! But the answer might not be as clear-cut-not-destiny-powers as you seem to think it is. Anyway, on to topics that CAN be discussed:

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Originally Posted by Mr_Trix I can't believe I missed this one!!! THIS IS FREEDOM! Hami Raids have been THE venue for non conformity on this server.

While I'm sure you've seen some Hami drama in your day, I can safely say that (With the exception of a few ouro portals) everything has been pretty drama-free, for at least quite a few months. The presence of a few "good times" hardly merit a frequency. Seems like quite a few of those were your own doing as well, so hardly seems like the social norm of the hive-mind, although I do like the CC idea Just because we're labeled Freedumb doesn't mean we have to make it so.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Trix This was never meant to be a debate, but rather open mocking of a recurring attitude when it comes to Hami over the last six years.

The recurring attitude of "communistic-leader" is from people who don't follow directions. And can you blame them? Did you happen to see how many people kept fighting Hami after the second bloom? Legitimate question and not meant to rhetorical. Literally half the league. If leaders really were that trivial, stuff like that would not happen. Not many PuG Hamis can fight through the second bloom.

While hardened vets know what to do, not everyone does. We had a new person in the raid in question, the last member that joined the Scrapper team. You're only as fast as your slowest members. Just because some of the "Elite" were there doesn't mean there needs to be a lack of communication. And just because you may think the return of destiny buffs are needed, be prepared to be called out on it if you ignore it without question.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Trix What's hypocritcal is that you fail to mention that the person in question and myself along with a few of my friends teamed with you on a successful Master of the Lambda last week. Though if someone doesn't do as they're told and follow instructions that don't matter, you have to portray them as a hypothetical acid holder or trial ruiner or whatever melodramatic imaginary scenario you want to present. Smear their character if they don't obey. Classy. If you are really that offended by teaming with "people like that" you should strip your toon of that Master of the Lambda title until you earn it again without their help.

Hypocritical perhaps, but more than a little sad. I would expect the guys who ran that fantastic MoLam last week to have more tact than what was shown on Sunday. Maybe if the player would have made a legitimate argument as to the validity and usefulness of the power, maybe it would have sat better with everyone. But in typical fashion, it was done "in the secrecy of a crowded Hami" so it looked malicious. He could have made it a non-issue, but he did not. He continued to do it and didn't defend his actions (I know, I know, he shouldn't HAVE to defend his playstyle, but with half the league telling those people to stop, it helps). Like someone who accidentally drops an Ouro on the field, people would be much happier hearing a "Yeah guys, that was me," than a teammate seeing it and calling them out for it.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Trix Should I have reported him for griefing??? I was talking about that one for days. The point is crying in broadcast about griefers is dumb. If you feel someone is griefing /em petiton and hope for the best.

When I say griefing, I don't mean I need, or even want to, petition someone. Like stated, the player last raid was using the power in correct fashion. When I say griefing in this scenario, I mean blatantly not following orders despite many asking not to. I can see disregarding one or two people if the topic at hand is trivial, but the amount of pleas last raid? Just stop doing it, if nothing but to shut people up.

Obviously I can see the where the emotion is emanating from since this was a friend. I'm sorry it ended up the way it did, I am, but you need to understand that from my perspective, and everyone else who was trying for a nice, smooth Hami Raid, this person looked like one of the bad guys.

No, I don't have to see anything from your perspective, which I can tell really really bothers you. I understand you want to try to tell people how to play, Hami Raid leaders should be followed blindly and that you're still very bitter about accidentally clicking an Ouro portal and getting locked out of the Hive. My response is "I don't care."

You want to turn this into an argument so badly that you'll go as far to discount my recollection of Hami history when you weren't even on Freedom. "I can say for at least a few months..." ??? Seriously? "The presence of a few "good times" hardly merit a frequency." How can you make a conclusion like that without even having been there? Why even address something like that when you have no idea what you are talking about? Do you really believe "I think this may have been how it was" has any validity compared to to "I was there, this is how I saw it"? I didn't take anything you have to say seriously to begin with, now I don't think I need to waste time reading your posts. I don't mind debating, but if you're going to do it, please do it well. We're not even playing the same game here.

So anyway, while I have some peeps starving for dramacorn, here's the scoop. During last weeks Hami Raid there was call out for people to stop using Destiny Powers, this was followed by the "leaders" threatening that anyone who disobeyed, would be barred from recieving invites to any future Hami Raids. Reaction was silly order, silly threat. Now the player in question, who I'll now reveal to be Lieran, took offense to this. In addition to being JFS, a Freedom vet, and player who a lot of you have teamed with on a regular basis, Lieran runs BAF raids on almost a daily basis which often includes members of the SG that was sending out general threat of a Hami Ban. So she sent in tells that she would do the same with her BAFS. The SG leading the Hami Raid threw out a lousy attitude, Lieran threw one back. As stated earlier she was over it when the raid was finished and didn't kick anyone from that SG from a BAF run shortly afterwards. I was trying to figure out where this whole "League of Extraordinary Bunnies" thing came from, it turns out she was on her bin alt. Lieran's not some isolated RP'er.

So yeah, we hit Destiny powers at appropriate times, It wasn't just JFS either there were some hitting destiny we couldn't account for. I don't know if anyone of us had barrier. I wish I did I would have hit it and sat there after my one hit. Maybe I'll get it now.

What's funny is now we have some joker trying to discredit someone who already has a firm reputation among people that matter. Assumptions were made about her playstyle based on one Hami Raid where it had nothing to do with determination to use a particular power, but rather a response to a bad attitude. We have assumptions that she's a griefer coming from someone who has actually teamed with her twice, one being a successful Masters of the Lambda Run where none of the hypothetical raid ruining of any sort took place. Sure, but don't follow bad direction and you're a griefer. LOL So now some guy has been trying to trash Lieran. She doesn't really care. I kinda care because I like sticking up for our female SG members and you all know how I feel about threads like this So you've tried to sully the reputation of a fine standing Freedom Veteran, based on a mid Hami Raid ego clash that really had nothing to do with you or what you claim it does. You've claimed Lieran would be a negative asset to a team when through experience you know better. So who is really the bad guy in the situation? Better question: Who cares?

Did someone say Hami griefing?

Ahh... the good ole' days. When is the next Hami Raid, I wanna go

Whoa! WB Section!

Remember when you could superspeed into the mito's, aggro them, then superspeed out into a group of heroes for an insta wipe.

That was hella funny!

Hey Trix!

I remember that happening when one of the experimental strategies was to form a big cluster of blasters to snipe the mitos. Snipe snipe snipe, boom!

I was looking back in the J-Force thread and there was an invitation by Rystorm for us to join a Hami Raid with over 200 mitos. Does anyone remember how the mechanics of that worked? Wasn't it like if you didn't kill hami before the timed mito bloom, then a corresponding mito would bloom for every toon (dead?) in the goo? I think I actually have a screenshot shot back then I'll hunt for it later.

To this day, in all the games I played, I never had a more horrid experience then sniping mito's for 2 days straight (Fri and Sat). Then, everyone else would come back on Sun once mito's were down to attempt Hami. Nothing broke my heart more then seeing those damn things respawn after we failed LMAO.

Not to mention enhancing your sniper power with Increase Range X3 for max distance.

I still have not drank enough over the years to wipe that experience from my mind.

/em runs in super-quick from AmDam

Seriously? He's ball breaking over this piddly weak stuff? On Lieran of all people? Why can't the PUG pickup that we boot as we load the last mish of a Task Force nerdrage like this guy? I mean, at least they play badly or doorsit on us for us to boot/taunt/publicly humiliate.

I have no idea what kind of SG he's in, but we'd probably boot someone with his attitude for being a ******. Probably wouldn't make it through a legit playtest. I mean, what kind of atmosphere does that represent for their SG? Shut up and color or we threaten you in a digital world where you actually should want to be digital friends?

He isn't reppin' their tag on the forums so I can avoid them like the plague. Someone sort this out. I smell what he's cookin' and his home team doesn't seem to have his back or be straightening him out. Something's fishy here, and it isn't the tunafish.

/em does dew up in Eurotrash style

'Scuse me. I've got some braun cafes and red lights to check. Be back after Memorial Day.

/em superspeeds back to AmDam

Laser, I have no idea how to encourage you in a proper manner while you are in Amsterdam. I just hope you're having a blast!

Sorry I'm a Rob-Come-Lately to the party but I still feel the need to chime in here.

Reading Slash's comments...well, I'm amused. He/She says many of the same things that the most successful leaders of our history have said.

The Populous needs to be guided. The working class needs their boundaries.



--I had typed something really, really mean right here, but I've changed my mind. It's not worth it.--

Where the heck did this crap come from that activating your Destiny power is contributing to the lag? I can't even begin to tell you how flawed that thinking is. Might as well tell people that a fire blaster's Rain of Fire or a defender's Shadow Fall causes lag. Maybe we just all take down Hami with the Rocks that are dropped during special events.

I think what really burns me is that you are accusing Lieran of trying to grief the Hami raid. Here's some things we need to get out of the way first...

• Lieran is my friend and I will fiercely defend her against all comers.

• Lieran is one of the most contributing members of the Freedom server that I have ever encountered.

• Lieran is one of the most friendliest and easy-going members of the Freedom server