Kat/? /regen or /wp which is 'better'

ive dabbled in both regen and wp but im somewhat torn. ive seen a few threads on katanas but it seems like other people are split to. money is no object, please provide imput and or build.

main focus would be PVE with a bent towards the incarnate trials for the future if that helps.

Neither is strictly better, of course. The main difference is in play style. Willpower is very passive - you'll never even notice it at work other than the fact that you never, ever die. You'll die a lot on a Regen as you learn to play it. It's very click heavy, very interactive, very play it exactly right or you're going to pay the price. But you can do some incredible things IF you play it exactly right.

It's hard to recommend Regen, though, unless you're a twitch gamer needing your fix. Willpower is just so... solid, dependable. Willpower is the one you marry. Regen is the one you have the affair with.

Are you looking for a way to beat the odds? Go the harder route for a change? Regen is your best friend. Willpower is for those who want to just toggle up and go.

regen is also getting a buff in i22, true story
>.>
<.<

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen

As much as I would love to say go with Regeneration, I simply cannot. Go WP.

As an aside, then, what happened to /Regen? I love the set, but I could really no longer recommend it to anyone, either. What is its biggest draw:
Quick Recovery? WP has that with a resistance to Recovery debuffs, even though it comes later, and everyone gets passive Stamina at 2 on any new roll.
Passive Healing? WP has it beat there, too, and can sustain high levels of regeneration simply by being in a crowd. Regen has to rely on Instant Healing for that, and it is not permanent (although, admittedly, not reliant on outside sources).
Burst Healing? Dark Regeneration and Healing Flames say hello.
Moment of Glory? Too short to hang the whole set on it.
In-set Rez? Regen might have the worst rez on any set that has one.
IO capabilities? Regen might fall furthest behind there unless you have a sword, and even then having a sword with other sets gives you more freedom.

And it hurt to type all that...

I'll throw out another vote for WP. You just toggle up and attack. You get resists, defense, regen, higher base HP and more - all without cutting into your DPS.

thanks for the imput guys...i think ill have to go wp for now at least. though i do look forward to a possible bump to regen in the future.

Sadly, I have to agree with a lot of the posts here.

But I really don't want to.

Though with a Sword...at least with WP you won't deal with redraw.

My first and favorite character is BS/Regen, has more time logged than all my other 30+ characters combined. But I can solidly say that I'll never make another BS or Regen until both get seriously reworked.

BS is so far behind Katana that I wouldn't complain if they pulled it out of the game completely.

Like all others, I agree that WP really steps on /regen's toes and does it more reliably and with less fuss. Combined with a sword you also end up having redraw issues that WP ignores.

So, go Kat/WP have no regrets.

apparently I'm the only one still in favor of kat/regen :[

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen

Huh, I wasn't really aware BS had any super serious issues with it, although that might be because my only experience looking at the set is from the perspective of /Shield, which Katana can't do at all.

This saddens me because my newest creation is Kinetic/Regen and I happen to enjoy playing him. Currently sitting at level 21, my first Pretorian turned out pretty cool. Regen starts REALLY slow but when you get some DO's in there, the powers really pick up I think. I had a Claws/Regen years ago on another account and fell in love with the set but got deleted and never had another idea for a /regen until I got kinetic melee.

I guess it does boil down to player preferrance, I think if you pit the two against each other in Mids, WP will probably most definitely shine compared to Regen, what with having Resists and what not. But I bet if you played either and got a feel for each you might change your mind. I have gotten some good guidance from the forums but IMO your best results will come from in-game experience. Just my two bits.

Much as it pains me to agree, I'll put another voice behind Willpower.

My original, first and main toon is Katana/Regen.

I've got a DB/WP scrapper, too.

Nowadays willpower wees all over regen on the survivability front from a considerable height, especially if you're looking to IO a build to the gills.

Regen has no debuff resistance AT ALL. (other than a tiny amount of S/L/Toxic resistance debuff resistance from Resilience and Reconstruction) And no real survivability other than regeneration and self heals, one of which include a temporary +MaxHP buff.

Willpower has regen debuff resistance in Fast Healing (A power it effectively nicked from Regen, but got a better version of <grrrr>), as well as some defence debuff resist, +perception and perception debuff resist. It also has stacked and layered defences consisting of : passive +MaxHP, Passive and active regeneration, Resistance to everything, but with more to S/L/Psi, Defence to S/L (not much) E/N/F/C/Psi (better).

With a few mobs fuelling RTTC, my /WP scrapper regens at a similar rate to my /Regen with Dull Pain and Integration active. He also has better resists, permanently better max HP due to High Pain Threshold, Psi Defence AND resist, good elemental defence, good S/L resist and a Tier 9 that, while it needs to be used in advance of a tricky situation, will most likely get me through that situation.

<engage nostalgia mode>
It just depresses me when I think of how low Regen's fallen, since I remember Issue 3 and 4, when Regen was (and I freely admit this) absolutely, grotesquely overpowered. But it was Glorious to be able to stand on the frontlines, alongside an Invuln tank and not worry too much, as well as get comments from the friends playing Empaths along the lines of 'I don't bother healing him any more, by the time the heal's triggered, he's regenerated anyway' <grin>) </nostalgia>

TL;DR - Put me down as another 'go with Willpower' voice.

After reading (and rereading) this thread and giving some thought and input from my experiences thus far with regen, I'm actually considering rerolling into /WP because of all the votes. I do like regen but I have found myself face first more than I like. Regen doesn't react well in a pinch. Plus I've never rolled a /WP toon so there could be potential gains. To formulate a question:

Coming from a lvl 22 Regen, and liking the set, will I be further impressed if I reroll into a /WP? Or does Regen really pick up soon?

I was thinking I'd like Regen better because I think all the clicky heals kind of keep you on your toes but then I remembered my Invuln tank and how nice "set it and forget it is" and how much it keeps your head in the fight and off the green bar.

I'll have to throw in a vote for WP. Outside of Incarnate trials, I dont die. If you're going to run the around 9 toggles I have, be sure to put 3 (or more, depending on your IO style) slots in Quick Recovery and at least two slots in Stamina. 3 slot Health if you can spare the slots, while you're at it. After all that, you wont fall down.


Unless the random number generator decides to hate you, then you feel like an Invul in a Carnie mission.

I'm gonna say WP as well. The flexibility in what AVs and large mobs you can handle is fantastic. Regen on top of defense on top of resist(nothing too great here, but still better than nothing) on top of high hit points is stupid survivable. Add in IO sets and there aren't many AVs you couldn't take solo.

Though I don't know if I'll ever be able to beat Silver Mantis. I hate her with a passion.

"in-set Rez? Regen might have the worst rez on any set that has one."

I have regen's fix.

It has no debuff protection yet? I suggest DEBT protection, that builds as you level, culminating with the self rez power. Put the Self Rez half the recharge as other self rezzes. Debt already means little, to a regen it should mean practically nothing. You are eternal, death is merely a temporary incapacition.

If death meant almost nothing to a regen I'd love playing it, I'd jump in, likely die, buy my teammates some precious time not getting shot, then, knowing my body would heal stand back up and deliver the fight to my newly unsuspecting enemies.

This is what regen needs. This would make it unique and remain thematic without being overpowered.

Regeneration should be the keystone powerset for embodied immortals, for vampires, for werewolves and the classically supernatural beasties. They seem to die, but they keep coming back for more. It's horror mythology incarnate... +wolverine and Prometheus.