11 Trials: 9 Uncommon and 2 Common. UGH.

Now, I'm not one to start consipracy theories or note stealth nerfs but ever since the last patch I've been getting screwed at the end of the trials.

Over the course of the weekend. I ran 11 trials and receive 9 Uncommon Reward Tables and 2 Common Reward tables.

I was on the AV team, the Ambush team, etc. No matter what I tried, I still received these terrible Reward Tables.

Does this echo anyone else experience?

If it helps, all trials were on my +2 Dark/Sonic Defender. I'm a very active participant in all stages of the Trials. I'm not the most aggressive DPS-er but I'm starting to think that might be what's preventing me from earning the Rare or Very Rare reward tables.

Try ignoring your primary almost completely and just targeting nearest, spamming your attacks for a few BAFs, see if that does anything.

My reward tables have been pretty random.

1 Very Rare, 2 or 3 Rare, about 5 Uncommon, and the rest Commons.

That was out of probably around 20 runs, and it is across all of my characters that I've run them with (currently only 3 of them have done either trial, I'm in no particular hurry to get everything)

I have taken note that you are not a player that receives good rewards, I will be inviting you to my Leagues more often ;D

Because I like to take the downtrodden under my wing?

Welcome to the Jungle, we got fun and games. No way to know the truth. I spent 15 hours gaming on Sunday, just trials, got zip, nothing, nad. Ran with a Widow who did a hat trick (if to be believed), 3 very rares, one right after the other.

I do know that I got one very rare when they first came out. Unfortunately, it disappeared in some kinda salvage rollback. I sent a e-mail request. They say they are busy.

For me the trials are horrid. I am only running them on my main, and just want to complete the content and move on. I crafted 4 rares I had collected since it began into one very rare last night. 400 million. I am very frustrated. At this point I do not even mind the cash, I would pay almost anything to be done with these two godsforsaken missions. Unfortunately, I still need 10 rares. (or 3 very rares, and it seems the odds of a tanky tank getting one of those is, zip, nada, nil)

It is NOT purely random. I'm thinking of collecting data through an experiment to reverse engineer their reward algorithm. But I assure you it is not purely or even significantly random.

Purely anecdotal stuff here:

On my fire/dark corruptor I have *never* gotten the common table. I have gotten the Uncommon 4 or 5 times, The Very rare exactly twice, and the Rare about 12 (yep, the vast majority).

After I finally got him where I want him I pulled out my Dominator (plant/fire).

So far, after 2 Lambdas and 3 BAFs:

Unlocked Alpha, 1 Rare, 3 Uncommon, 1 Common. I ended up breaking down Astrals and Emps just to make enough commons to get my level shift on Alpha.

Do what you want/can with the above, it is all the experience I currently have.

Yeah Clouded, you said "I can't say one way or another but I have no reason to believe they are anything but random at this point. I will gladly revise my view based on any submitted evidence." Maybe you meant, I will only revise my opinion if you show me the source code and prove it's in the currently published build on my client.

I think that very recent Dev post, intending to clear up confusion "without giving away the keys to the castle", is pretty clear that the rewards are influenced by participation. Whether it's a formula "exclusively" based on participation is unlikely. Even if it was, there are 11-23 other moving variables that will affect the outcome, giving an appearance of randomness, making it hard to tell without looking at the innards.

My anecdotal evidence is that I've been afk a few times (for several minutes at a time, never the whole trial) because of RL issues and never got good drops, and have received the 10 threads/Super insps table 2 out of the 3 times. I've read of one person getting a rare despite being AFK the entire time, not sure [edit] whether it's credible.

I've also received VR/Rs while being the League leader, moving people who get dropped into empty teams, sending league, team, private tells, coalition, and help chat, and still using my powers. In other words, not actively 'participating'. Of course, I would also participate in combat, but I was spending significant time typing instead of button mashing.

I thought perhaps it had to do with buffing teammates/league as well as attacking. My widow has 4 leadership toggles, I pop Vengeance when I see the chance, Mind Link, and the Hero alignment power. I also have about 9 pbaoe and aoes which I use frequently. Nevertheless, I also use single target attacks on LT runners in BAF and the AVs, because I will run out of end otherwise. I also use Ninja Run, so I'm not racing from mob to mob before the team gets there; in fact, I'm often trailing a little bit because my long activations have me rooted a lot.

Yes, I was wrong.

From all the trials I have done, which is 90+, combined BAF and Lambda, I am sure the rewards table is weighted toward participation to a point. I think the system looks for you to actually be participating (dealing damage, buff/debuffing, etc...), then sees what kind of team objectiveshave been completed (i.e. No prisioners escape, No Turrets disabled, etc...) then rolls on a tier of randomness based on that.

Try to explain my thoughts further, say you are on a BAF, you let No Prisioners escape, but someone disables a turret, and you do not keep them seperate, but you do kill them with No Spawn. So far you have met 2 of the 4 points. You participate, but you had to afk for a minute or two, so your "participation points", for lack of a better term, is low. But not so low that it kicks you down to a Thread only reward. From what I see, based on all the different factors (the team objectives and the participation), that it rolls on for a Random, with a increasing/decreasing percentage, based on those factors. For a couple examples, I did a MoBAF, completed all the objectives in one go, did a "ton" of damage, and got a rare. Did another MoBAF, completed all the objectives in one go, but didnt do alot of the damage, alot of typing, giving instructions and such, and got an uncommon. Both of those runs were pretty much the same, except for the participation aspect. On the second one, I did enough to not get kicked to the thread only reward, but not enough to merit the better rare reward.

But I am POSITIVE there is an element of randomness...I did middle damage and the league completed just one objective and I got a very rare...sooooooo who knows

I'm an illusion/empathy/mace controller, so I'm doing lots of things -- damage, buffs, healing, debuffing -- you name it, I do it. I've only gotten 3 common drops between beta and live (one of them in live, two in beta), a HUGE amount of uncommons, about ten rares, and four very rares.