"Incarnate" Defense Soft-Cap
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Deus_Otiosus,
Posted on: 2011-04-15 20:28 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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I was concerned about this as well since my favorite character is an Ice tank. Tonight I ran trials, specifically the BAF, for the first time and honestly, I didn't see any real difference from the new soft cap. With large teams there's almost always someone healing or buffing defense somehow. Anyway, just in my experience, you shouldn't worry too much about it.|
Originally Posted by Sole_Savior
Okay, so I've been gone for a about two months and I recently came back. While looking at the forums and just browsing I noticed talk about an "Incarnate" Soft-Cap for Defense and it being at 59%.
I wanted to ask if anyone can help explain how this was brought about, as in what caused it or anything to help me be a little less confused  My main is a SR toon so, as a SR user, this is pretty interesting to me and has caught my attention. But he is over the 45% softcap. Is that now less than beneficial? Or would it really not affect me if I left it as is? Thanks guys for the help! Just a little curious about this is all  |
I think the foes just have an additional 14% to hit in the trials, that's where the 59 comes from (45 + 14).
Yeah, I was thinking something along the lines of that but wasn't too sure. I also figure that I run with my Widow a lot as well who sits at her cap comfortably and also has Mind Link ready for action, should it be needed.
I'm curious if the increased to-hit by the enemies in the trials was brought about because of them being a higher level? (Sorry lol, I haven't had the opportunity to try the trials) That would make sense to me.
I'm all for getting new bonuses for my toons, actually it'd be fun, I just also want to know if anyone has felt it is needed?
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No. Enemies only gain tohit due to higher levels when they are 6 levels above you, or higher. Below that, they gain an accuracy bonus (a softcapped character facing enemies with accuracy but no tohit will still floor their chance to hit, the floor simply won't be 5%).|
Originally Posted by Sole_Savior
I'm curious if the increased to-hit by the enemies in the trials was brought about because of them being a higher level? (Sorry lol, I haven't had the opportunity to try the trials) That would make sense to me.
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Enemies in the Incarnate trials have buffed tohit, to help increase the challenge of the trials.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
Just bring along a single Widow of any description and you should be fine.
The AVs also have an elevated tohit chance beyond the 59% as far as I've seen. I know I've sat at 100% defense for an entire Marauder fight and one of his attacks (I think it was a punch) had a 10% chance to hit. I was S/L 100%, so it may have been a positional (which would be kinda ridiculous).
It's really necessary considering the hilariously high amount of Defense you can get on your average team. Powerboosted Vengeance is a good 53-55% alone.
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10% means that he probably did have floored to-hit.|
Originally Posted by Kenteko
The AVs also have an elevated tohit chance beyond the 59% as far as I've seen. I know I've sat at 100% defense for an entire Marauder fight and one of his attacks (I think it was a punch) had a 10% chance to hit. I was S/L 100%, so it may have been a positional (which would be kinda ridiculous).
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From here you get the the accuracy modifiers for an AV (*1.50) and whatever level modifier applies (* 1.1 to * 1.4 based on level shift and incarnate shifts).
5% (lowest to-hit) * 1.50 (AV modifier) * 1.3 (+3 modifier) = 9.75%; that assumes you have one level shift applied and the attack used doesn't have a high base accuracy. Without the level shift, it would be 10.5%, and with the level shift and both incarnate shifts applied it would be 8.25%.
If it were something like Energy Transfer, which has a base 1.2 accuracy, you'd take those numbers and multiply by 1.2 for a final chance between 9.9% (all shifts) and 12.6% (no shifts).
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Perhaps Maurader and other AVs have both +ToHit and +Acc, much like players do. In your situation, if Maurader had +100% Acc, then his 5% ToHit against 100 defense would become 10%.
Edit-- Siolifir beat me to it, with better numbers too.
My Kat/SR is defense capper (45%) and he's been fine. Not 100% worry free as before, but what's the fun in always being untouchable?
Just carry some purples and pop them for when you know the going will get tough. This normally means the dash to get acids and granades.
For actual fights, remember that defense buffs are very common. Dark Miasma, Storm, Force Field, etc etc will put you back in a comfortable plase.
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I had all the level shifts and it was around 10.6 (guesstimate), so if that's the case, the accuracy is starting to play a bigger and bigger factor every time.
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Originally Posted by Siolfir
10% means that he probably did have floored to-hit.
From here you get the the accuracy modifiers for an AV (*1.50) and whatever level modifier applies (* 1.1 to * 1.4 based on level shift and incarnate shifts). 5% (lowest to-hit) * 1.50 (AV modifier) * 1.3 (+3 modifier) = 9.75%; that assumes you have one level shift applied and the attack used doesn't have a high base accuracy. Without the level shift, it would be 10.5%, and with the level shift and both incarnate shifts applied it would be 8.25%. If it were something like Energy Transfer, which has a base 1.2 accuracy, you'd take those numbers and multiply by 1.2 for a final chance between 9.9% (all shifts) and 12.6% (no shifts). |
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it also depends on which incarnate powers you take like cardiac for my tanker caps out at exactly 59% to 60% for defense
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Originally Posted by Kenteko
I had all the level shifts and it was around 10.6 (guesstimate), so if that's the case, the accuracy is starting to play a bigger and bigger factor every time.
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Although the use of Vengeance implies somebody's defense was insufficient. |
Originally Posted by Vermain
Powerboosted Vengeance is a good 53-55% alone.
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Maybe you mean Nerve?|
Originally Posted by TECHWON
it also depends on which incarnate powers you take like cardiac for my tanker caps out at exactly 59% to 60% for defense
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Cardiac does not boost DEF in anyway.
Can anyone confirm that all of the mobs on BAF & Lambda (not worried about the AVs) have +14% to hit even against +3 Level shifted Incarnate players?
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My Kat/SR is defense capper (45%) and he's been fine. |
It can only be worse for SR Brutes.
BAF is generally not as bad, as you are surrounded by 7-23 other people.
But trying to hold aggro for randomly comprised PUG trials, running around looking for crates/containers with 45% defense is an exercise in frustration.
Okay, so I've been gone for a about two months and I recently came back. While looking at the forums and just browsing I noticed talk about an "Incarnate" Soft-Cap for Defense and it being at 59%.
I wanted to ask if anyone can help explain how this was brought about, as in what caused it or anything to help me be a little less confused
My main is a SR toon so, as a SR user, this is pretty interesting to me and has caught my attention. But he is over the 45% softcap. Is that now less than beneficial? Or would it really not affect me if I left it as is?
Thanks guys for the help! Just a little curious about this is all
Rendezvous Fire/SR Scrapper 50 (Main), Sole Savior Kat/WP scrapper 50, Papillon Noir DM/SR Stalker 50
Cascavela NW 50