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Does this mean I can stop shielding (ice/cold Corr) the whole league too??? But seriously maybe the time table is diff for the shields as compared to the SB thang 'cause I always find enough time to do my *snap*crackle*pop* icy goodness 'specially my new judgement powah. 
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I care about SB, I like getting SB. More recharge always helps until the cap, more endurance can help against those end drains the praetorians like to do, more slow resist for slows, more unsuppressed movement for running quicker from mob to mob, after escapees, to the crates, and so on.
This isn't to say I'd expect a kin to SB everyone in a league, just that I like SB, always.
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Does this mean I can stop shielding (ice/cold Corr) the whole league too??? But seriously maybe the time table is diff for the shields as compared to the SB thang 'cause I always find enough time to do my *snap*crackle*pop* icy goodness 'specially my new judgement powah.
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Don't forget that SB has half the duration of the shield buffs. SB needs to be applied every two minutes.
If I played a Kin, I wouldn't want to SB a whole league, either.
I already mentioned this on the defender fourm, but there's no way in hell I'm keeping SB on everybody. Let's not forget Kins get ID as well. I'm not coming there to be a pure buff bot.
I cannot recall anybody in a league every asking for SB.
My rules of thumb.
SB when bored and have nothing to do like waiting for the start of the separate parts of a trial.
SB stones automatically.
SB while waiting in the hospital.
SB anyone that specifically asks for it.
SB other kins so that they can SB me hopefully.
SB anyone that applies a buff to me.
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Ice shields are two, but they last twice as long - 4 minutes.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Chief
Does this mean I can stop shielding (ice/cold Corr) the whole league too??? But seriously maybe the time table is diff for the shields as compared to the SB thang 'cause I always find enough time to do my *snap*crackle*pop* icy goodness 'specially my new judgement powah.
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SB only last 2 minutes.
It's the same amount of casts you have to do with the difference that a kin needs to target more.
If you were to keep your whole league shielded you'd target 23 people once and cast 46 powers every 4 minutes.
A kin targets 46 people and casts 46 people.
Plus doing less more often than more less often in itself is already a lot more annoying.
Personally on a league I keep my team SB'd at best. If I find it needed. If everything dies the second the league comes near it and everyone's stood in the pool of goodness of some cold's heat loss etc I don't even bother.
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League leaders are given the ability to redistribute team composition for a reason. If I see two buffer/debuffers on a Lambda, I'll toss one in each team, with the unspoken assumption that his/her responsibilities will extend no farther than his/her teammates.
Any benefit non teammates get is pure gravy.
It's almost as silly to assume that a Kin will SB an entire League of 16-48 players as it is to assume that Assault can stack 16-48 times.
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Pretty much how I go about doing it as well. Though I also try to keep most my team SB'd (if they are all in range when I'm handing it out) and I tend to SB anyone on the same door as me during the Prisoner Escape phase in BAF.
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Originally Posted by Necromatic
I cannot recall anybody in a league every asking for SB.
My rules of thumb. SB when bored and have nothing to do like waiting for the start of the separate parts of a trial. SB stones automatically. SB while waiting in the hospital. SB anyone that specifically asks for it. SB other kins so that they can SB me hopefully. SB anyone that applies a buff to me. |
i don't have a /kin corr... but i feel your pain with my fire/kin.
I just tell them to chose.
1) fire/kin god of war who can tank incarnate content, spam FS and let the team plus my silly damage blow the mob up faster then you can say "super boost".
2) sb for everyone and me laughing from the back as it takes everyone 10x longer to kill anything.
be a little assertive. as a kin your FS is far more important to the team then SB ever will be. Let them know that it's either FS & you contributing to the beat-down on the mob, or SB, not both.
(even though i lay it out like that when i need to, i'm still rather nice with the SB, i'll use it on the stoner, or anyone with end issues, but it's definitely not my priority. my priority is crushing mobs, so should yours)
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So you're set on being mediocre? I don't think anyone expects a Kin to SB the entire league, but you should still SB the team you're on at least with some exceptions like during the prisoner phase in BAF.
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Originally Posted by Sprite Fire
Let them know that it's either FS & you contributing to the beat-down on the mob, or SB, not both.
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No one will be expecting SB's, but casting SB whenever the action is low might increase your chance of getting higher tier components, at the end of the trial.
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SB (and all of the shield powers in general) need to just be changed to group-based versions with scaling Endurance costs. There's literally no reason for them to only be single target, unless they're specifically balanced around the assumption that it's so annoying to reapply it that no one's going to have it on them continually (which is a terrible way to balance something).
^what Necro said.
I hit the tanks, otherwise I feel FS and Siphon Power are what I'm contributing most to the team. By 50 people should've found the recharge they needed for what they do. I good team rolls through stuff so fast all I have time for anyway is a fast FS and SP in the alpha, watch everything explode, then run to the next spawn.
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I usually SB anyone on a team who has half their endurance or less... And get called lazy for it. Normally I'd SB any stone tank until his armor ran ahead of him, or anyone who asked (nicely). I stopped playing my kin because of too many rude people with an overreaching sense of entitlement. It just wasn't fun anymore.
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Originally Posted by Necromatic
SB when bored and have nothing to do like waiting for the start of the separate parts of a trial. SB stones automatically. SB while waiting in the hospital. SB anyone that specifically asks for it. SB other kins so that they can SB me hopefully. SB anyone that applies a buff to me. |
I would have to agree. It is an insane amount of buffing. No one is expecting you to buff the entire league.
I try to get my team covered during the important parts, and also make sure to cover the main tanks. If I die and am at the hospital waiting to get out, its always a good idea to buff people at the door.
The pace is usually too frantic to do a full 16 people, let alone 24. It's not like anyone stops and pauses to "buff up". It's a massive race.
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I have been playing my Ice/Kin Corr almost exclusively on both runs and I do pretty much the same thing
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Originally Posted by Necromatic
I cannot recall anybody in a league every asking for SB.
My rules of thumb. SB when bored and have nothing to do like waiting for the start of the separate parts of a trial. SB stones automatically. SB while waiting in the hospital. SB anyone that specifically asks for it. SB other kins so that they can SB me hopefully. SB anyone that applies a buff to me. |
I usually start by SBing my team mates (arent you lucky to team with me J )
Then I will look for any Stoners cus I love Stoners (have 5 myself)
Then while we are waiting for the AV I will work my way down the league list if you are near by you get the Crack if you are not then I just go to the next person in line.
After than I am throwing out heals and FS as often as it comes up.
I will say that I also have not heard anyone ask for SB at least not that I have noticed with so much going on and so many widows open I hardly pay attention to that widow anyway.
Nope. Not gonna do it. I'd like to actually PARTICIPATE and get some form of shiny for my attendance thanks. SBing the whole league just means that's all I do for the whole trial. Aing happening. STFU thanks.
If I see a stoner in League yes I'll lavish the SB love on him, but for the love of GOD I WILL NOT DO THE WHOLE LEAGUE. Get it? Good.
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