Wait...is Lambda Sector's rewards bugged?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-04-06 14:04 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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The Astral Merits are awarded for successfully completing one of the trial stages (except for the first stage which awards nothing and the last stage which awards an Empyrean Merit). The difference is that in the BAF failing a stage automatically fails the Trial as well but in the Lambda failing certain stages doesn't end the trial.|
Originally Posted by IanTheM1
I have at no point gotten an Astral Merit for doing anything similar in Lambda.
Is this intended? Or is supposed to be a strange balancing factor between the two raids? |
In the BAF you get Astral Merits for three things:
1. Killing Nightstar the first time
2. Stopping the prisoners from escaping
3. Killing Seige the first time
I've only done Lambda once and it was some time ago but I thought you also got three astral merits:
1. Defeating the Security Bot
2. Collecting all 10 molecular acids
3. Collecting all 10 pacification grenades
Now I'm not 100% sure about the security bot one, I thought I got one then but I could be wrong. In any case my main point was that to get Astral Merits during stage 3 of the Lambda Trial you have to collect 10 of the same temp power. However failing to get 10 of a power doesn't fail the trial entirely, it just makes the last stage harder which means you can get further with fewer Astral Merits.
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Originally Posted by IanTheM1
I just had two amazing runs of the BAF that were actually FUN and interesting, which is the complete opposite of my many, many failed Lambda runs.
Something I noticed though is that for each stage of the BAF, you (have a chance to?) get an Astral Merit, which directly converts to 4 Threads. I have at no point gotten an Astral Merit for doing anything similar in Lambda. Is this intended? Or is it supposed to be a strange balancing factor between the two raids? |
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You can get Astral Merits in Lambda Sector, but only if you do certain things to completion.
My first LS run, only got 8 / 10 on the Pacification Gernades, and no Astral Merit.
Second run, we had two full teams, and got 10 / 10 on both the acids and the gernades. Astral Merit received.
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I've yet to get an Astral Merit from the Security Bot. And I've yet to be on a team that can manage more than about five of either temp power, which seems rather prohibitive compared to the BAF.
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
I've only done Lambda once and it was some time ago but I thought you also got three astral merits:
1. Defeating the Security Bot 2. Collecting all 10 molecular acids 3. Collecting all 10 pacification grenades Now I'm not 100% sure about the security bot one, I thought I got one then but I could be wrong. In any case my main point was that to get Astral Merits during stage 3 of the Lambda Trial you have to collect 10 of the same temp power. However failing to get 10 of a power doesn't fail the trial entirely, it just makes the last stage harder which means you can get further with fewer Astral Merits. |
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Perhaps only the player that gets the kill gets the merit? Or something similar regarding separate teams in the league? You should ask the other folks in the league if anyone gets one next time, maybe?
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Originally Posted by IanTheM1
I've yet to get an Astral Merit from the Security Bot. And I've yet to be on a team that can manage more than about five of either temp power, which seems rather prohibitive compared to the BAF.
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Doubtful, but broken if true. I got the same number of Astral Merits twice in a row from the BAF, all in line with the objectives.
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Hey all,
I saw this question and just wanted to chime in really quickly to help you guys out. There are three Astral Merits to be earned in Lambda Sector for the entire League. Here are the ways you can earn them:
- Acquire all 10 Pacification Grenades during the Interior stage
- Acquire all 10 Molecular Acids during the Interior stage
- Acquire all 20 Acids and Grenades during the Interior stage.
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Yeah, as I mentioned I wasn't sure about that one and based on Arbiter Hawk I was mis-remembering. I knew I got 3, I just forgot for what |
Originally Posted by IanTheM1
I've yet to get an Astral Merit from the Security Bot. And I've yet to be on a team that can manage more than about five of either temp power, which seems rather prohibitive compared to the BAF.
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.Overall I agree, the BAF is easier to get Astral Merits in.
Feedback: Holy cow is that excessively prohibitive. Now I know for sure I won't be even bothering with Lambda anymore, except maybe a few more inevitably failed runs to get the last of the XP for Destiny.
Considering you can get an Astral Merit from the BAF for more or less just defeating a single AV, there's a huge imbalance there.
It feels like it should be lowered to 5 Grenades, 5 Acids, 5 Cooperation Bonuses, or something similar.
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Yeah, for PuGs BAF is the Trial to run. Lambda is a waste of time by comparison. BAF gives you more rewards more reliably as far as PuGs.
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As I said in other threads: BAF>Lambda. This just proves it again.
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
Yeah, for PuGs BAF is the Trial to run. Lambda is a waste of time by comparison. BAF gives you more rewards more reliably as far as PuGs.
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I've found that it's easier to get iXP from Lambda, but easier to get threads and merits from BAF. Did 5 runs of BAF yesterday, some successful, some not, and finally unlocked Judgement. Did 2 runs of Lambda today, neither successful, but managed to unlock Interface anyways. I'll probably keep running that until I have Destiny unlocked, then switch over to BAF for drops.
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
Yeah, for PuGs BAF is the Trial to run. Lambda is a waste of time by comparison. BAF gives you more rewards more reliably as far as PuGs.
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Also the following ways to get Astral merits/bonuses:|
Originally Posted by Arbiter Hawk
Hey all,
I saw this question and just wanted to chime in really quickly to help you guys out. There are three Astral Merits to be earned in Lambda Sector for the entire League. Here are the ways you can earn them:
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Originally Posted by Avatea
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* Four achievement badges for unique challenges within each event. The first successful completion of a badge will award a random Uncommon component and an Astral Merit. Each successive completion will award an Astral Merit. |
- Destroy a Weapons Cache and an Incubation Pod within 2 seconds of each other during the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial.
- Acquire all 10 Pacification Grenades during the Interior stage
- Complete the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial having acquired 10 Pacification Grenades but using none of them.
- Acquire all 10 Molecular Acids during the Interior stage.
- Complete the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial having acquired 10 Molecular Acids but using none of them.
- Acquire all 20 Acids and Grenades during the Interior stage.
- Complete the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial having acquired 10 Pacification Grenades and 10 Molecular Acids but using none of them.
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You can get iXP from Threads, so even unlocking slots is going to be quicker via BAF.
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Originally Posted by Darkfaith
I've found that it's easier to get iXP from Lambda, but easier to get threads and merits from BAF. Did 5 runs of BAF yesterday, some successful, some not, and finally unlocked Judgement. Did 2 runs of Lambda today, neither successful, but managed to unlock Interface anyways. I'll probably keep running that until I have Destiny unlocked, then switch over to BAF for drops.
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I agree, iXP comes quicker on Lambda because there are more mobs before the trial even begins.|
Originally Posted by Darkfaith
I've found that it's easier to get iXP from Lambda, but easier to get threads and merits from BAF. Did 5 runs of BAF yesterday, some successful, some not, and finally unlocked Judgement. Did 2 runs of Lambda today, neither successful, but managed to unlock Interface anyways. I'll probably keep running that until I have Destiny unlocked, then switch over to BAF for drops.
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On the note of the Weapons and Acid, I have been on 3 teams that have got all 10 on both. It's not that hard. Tank herds mobs away. Squishies destroy nad move on. Snipe attacks work great on these. Even a good number if Stalker, Scrappers, Widows, and Banes could do well.
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I don't know, a group that I was with last night got all 20 temp powers (10 acids, 10 pacification grenades) for Lambda with 2.5 minutes to spare.|
Originally Posted by IanTheM1
Feedback: Holy cow is that excessively prohibitive. Now I know for sure I won't be even bothering with Lambda anymore, except maybe a few more inevitably failed runs to get the last of the XP for Destiny.
Considering you can get an Astral Merit from the BAF for more or less just defeating a single AV, there's a huge imbalance there. It feels like it should be lowered to 5 Grenades, 5 Acids, 5 Cooperation Bonuses, or something similar. |
We didn't get the badges as we didn't get one of each within a couple seconds of the other, and we actually used all 20 temp powers (then again we weren't at higher incarnate levels yet).
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Count Illusion Controllers in that list too. |
Originally Posted by Blood_Beret
I agree, iXP comes quicker on Lambda because there are more mobs before the trial even begins.
On the note of the Weapons and Acid, I have been on 3 teams that have got all 10 on both. It's not that hard. Tank herds mobs away. Squishies destroy nad move on. Snipe attacks work great on these. Even a good number if Stalker, Scrappers, Widows, and Banes could do well. |
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Was that a PUG? Was that a PUG joined via the raid queue?|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
I don't know, a group that I was with last night got all 20 temp powers (10 acids, 10 pacification grenades) for Lambda with 2.5 minutes to spare.
We didn't get the badges as we didn't get one of each within a couple seconds of the other, and we actually used all 20 temp powers (then again we weren't at higher incarnate levels yet). |
3/4 of my failed Lambdas have been via the queue. The last was pre-made but failed anyway due to a single bad player, intentionally or not, triggering the timer before anyone had a chance to explain the phase.
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Actually, 5 Astral Merits from the BAF. You get them for the final kills on Nightstar and Siege as well (farmed them a good few times today, still going in fact - cutscene is playing!)|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
In the BAF you get Astral Merits for three things:
1. Killing Nightstar the first time 2. Stopping the prisoners from escaping 3. Killing Seige the first time |
Which nets a nice round 20 Threads per completion. It is much lighter on iXP though, as everyone has said.
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I haven't seen any on the runs yet. But yes. Illusions too.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Count Illusion Controllers in that list too.
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I ran it last night on Triumph, I was one of 3 Illusion Controllers in the league. |
Originally Posted by Blood_Beret
I haven't seen any on the runs yet. But yes. Illusions too.
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I don't intend to PUG either trial for the first few months or until I consider the server can actually PUG the trials.|
Originally Posted by IanTheM1
Was that a PUG? Was that a PUG joined via the raid queue?
3/4 of my failed Lambdas have been via the queue. The last was pre-made but failed anyway due to a single bad player, intentionally or not, triggering the timer before anyone had a chance to explain the phase. |
What I'm doing is playing through with a group, explaining how things can be done successfully, and helping get working tactics out to as many people as possible. Once a sufficient amount of players actually know how to do the trials, I'll start joining the LFG queue. Otherwise I'd be far less inclined to actually do them at all.
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Here's a coulple of things from the patch notes about Astraland Empyrain Merits that some may have missed.
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| Four achievement badges for unique challenges within each event. The first successful completion of a badge will award a random Uncommon component and an Astral Merit. Each successive completion will award an Astral Merit. |
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| One mastery badge for acquiring the completion badge and all four achievement badges. The first successful mastery completion will award a random Rare component. |
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I just had two amazing runs of the BAF that were actually FUN and interesting, which is the complete opposite of my many, many failed Lambda runs.
Something I noticed though is that for each stage of the BAF, you (have a chance to?) get an Astral Merit, which directly converts to 4 Threads.
I have at no point gotten an Astral Merit for doing anything similar in Lambda.
Is this intended? Or is it supposed to be a strange balancing factor between the two raids?
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