This shows up every once in a while about someone who is trying to change their city. Opinions are generally mixed as some think it is cool others, not so much. Me? Atleast someone out there has a cooler SG that and it is not named Rain City Heroes. 
I don't like the term real life superheroes to describe these people. There are hundreds of ways to make a difference in the world and they are more attention seekers than people who see a problem and want to fix it. You don't dress up in a costume unless you are in it for the glory. If I was more courageous and active instead of valued my life and lazy, then I would volunteer at such places like youth homes to help give troubled youth a future or work as a fireman, police officer, EMT, social worker, or a similar occupation. It would be more effective at helping people than patrolling the streets at night in a costume.
I have more respect for EMTs, police, and fireman than I could ever have for these people since it is their job to put their life on the line to protect other people. Now if they stopped a nuclear reactor from blowing up, stop a serial killer, or any of the plausible stuff that superheroes do, then I would have respect for them.
The first step in being sane is to admit that you are insane.
Quote:
I'm sure the people they help respect them. |
Originally Posted by starphoenix
I have more respect for EMTs, police, and fireman than I could ever have for these people since it is their job to put their life on the line to protect other people. Now if they stopped a nuclear reactor from blowing up, stop a serial killer, or any of the plausible stuff that superheroes do, then I would have respect for them.
|
I respect anyone putting themselves out on the line to help others period. I've seen the ugly of the people who do nothing to help because they're afraid, or its not their job or not their problem. Yes, I've watched someone murdered in a crowded parking lot of 30+ people in the vicinity and hundreds in the area and no one but me attempted to help nor would tell the police anything about what happened, instead some took pictures of the dead body intending on posting it online or selling the pictures, or they complained about being detained, and those who took pictures were pissed when the police took their cameras. The police showed me, I was the first to call 911 even after a couple of minutes talking to and trying to help the guy who was shot before I made the call, and even several months later told me I'm the only person to come forward with information on the crime.
So if this percentage is what is normal in the world we live in, then I'm glad there are people out there breaking the status quo, because being normal sucks.
Quote:
With a gut like that, he shouldn't really be trying to fight crime but join the Biggest Losers.
|
Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
Mmmmkay.
It was cool to watch on "Kick-A__", but I think the first part of that movie should've taught these guys at least a lil' sumpin' sumpin'. |
Rabbits & Hares:Blue (Mind/Emp Controller)Maroon (Rad/Thermal Corruptor)and one of each AT all at 50
MA Arcs: Apples of Contention - 3184; Zen & Relaxation - 35392; Tears of Leviathan - 121733 | All posts are rated "R" for "R-r-rrrrr, baby!"|Now, and this is very important... do you want a hug? COH Faces @Blue Rabbit
Quote:
yeah I think Starphoenix, missed the whole point of the scene where KA stood his ground and fought off 3 muggers while protecting a cop. It's disgusting that we live in a culture where inaction is acceptable. Every time I think humans are civilized I see something like that which reminds me, we're not so far removed from our evolutionary cousins...we just have better toys.
|
Originally Posted by Innovator
I'm sure the people they help respect them.
I respect anyone putting themselves out on the line to help others period. I've seen the ugly of the people who do nothing to help because they're afraid, or its not their job or not their problem. Yes, I've watched someone murdered in a crowded parking lot of 30+ people in the vicinity and hundreds in the area and no one but me attempted to help nor would tell the police anything about what happened, instead some took pictures of the dead body intending on posting it online or selling the pictures, or they complained about being detained, and those who took pictures were pissed when the police took their cameras. The police showed me, I was the first to call 911 even after a couple of minutes talking to and trying to help the guy who was shot before I made the call, and even several months later told me I'm the only person to come forward with information on the crime. So if this percentage is what is normal in the world we live in, then I'm glad there are people out there breaking the status quo, because being normal sucks. |
I think what they do are awesome..not just cos i play a superhero game, but cos they actually doing something that they believe in.
Quote:
Didn't need a costume to do that. But there is a reason why they wear a costume and not some outfit thats main purpose is to protect them from danger. I have to agree that some humans are no more civilized than a bunch of animals. Actually, scratch that. Some humans are less civilized than a bunch of animals since certain animals would protect their own. A possible reason for the thirty people watching might be due to America becoming a voyeuristic society. We are constantly bombarded with youtube, reality television, sitcoms, movies, etc. There is also the problem that the more people that are present, the more likely someone won't get help since everyone assumes that someone else will do it. A possible way to fix this is have the Good Samaritan Law enforced where if a group of people don't inform the proper authorities about a dangerous situation, then they could be charged. There should be no reason for people to become RL Superheroes unless they are insane instead of only partially insane.
|
Originally Posted by Durakken
yeah I think Starphoenix, missed the whole point of the scene where KA stood his ground and fought off 3 muggers while protecting a cop. It's disgusting that we live in a culture where inaction is acceptable. Every time I think humans are civilized I see something like that which reminds me, we're not so far removed from our evolutionary cousins...we just have better toys.
|
The first step in being sane is to admit that you are insane.
Quote:
Just a lot of big words, 'what if's and 'should be's.|
Originally Posted by starphoenix
Didn't need a costume to do that. But there is a reason why they wear a costume and not some outfit thats main purpose is to protect them from danger. I have to agree that some humans are no more civilized than a bunch of animals. Actually, scratch that. Some humans are less civilized than a bunch of animals since certain animals would protect their own. A possible reason for the thirty people watching might be due to America becoming a voyeuristic society. We are constantly bombarded with youtube, reality television, sitcoms, movies, etc. There is also the problem that the more people that are present, the more likely someone won't get help since everyone assumes that someone else will do it. A possible way to fix this is have the Good Samaritan Law enforced where if a group of people don't inform the proper authorities about a dangerous situation, then they could be charged. There should be no reason for people to become RL Superheroes unless they are insane instead of only partially insane.
|
I don't think anyone's saying we should all play dress up and walk the streets at night, or that we shouldn't be calling the proper authorities to handle the situation. But when the sh** hits the fan, and people need help, sometimes waiting is just as good as letting people die. Danger isn't insane. Standing by and praying for the best when you *know* you can do more is insane.
Quote:
It is based on ability not intent. If you can handle yourself in a fight or have the proper rescue training and want to help someone from harm, then they should help, but if you are an average person that can't do anything, then take a photo of the crime in progress, run away, then when it is safe to phone, call the police. All rescue training involves making sure you are safe before rescuing someone else. It doesn't make any sense to try to save someone in a sour gas leak if you are going to collapse from being poisoned. Instead of one person to be rescued, there is now two.
|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
Just a lot of big words, 'what if's and 'should be's.
I don't think anyone's saying we should all play dress up and walk the streets at night, or that we shouldn't be calling the proper authorities to handle the situation. But when the sh** hits the fan, and people need help, sometimes waiting is just as good as letting people die. Danger isn't insane. Standing by and praying for the best when you *know* you can do more is insane. |
The first step in being sane is to admit that you are insane.
We have Neighborhood Watch and the police. We also have mobile telecommunications and media transfer. I'm glad that there are people willing to look out for their fellow man but playing dress up is a good way to bring oneself hindrance.
If I fall off a bike, I don't want to worry about the mental state of the guy running up to me in a pair of leotards, a trench coat and a foil hat.
I don't want some costumed person coming up to my kids if I'm not around (and if its not halloween or other function); not even if I am.
Costumes don't stop bullets or even a good jumping.
Apparently, I play "City of Shakespeare"
*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
Quote:
Except from my experience, normal people do not do any of that, instead they use such excuses or make others to not to lend a hand to feel justified by their inaction. Those that do take pictures do so for profit or to show off their "adventure", not to aid. Its those that do what general people think is insane, that stand up for others. Costume or not I'm glad for those that risk life and limb to help others...the way I look at it, the ones in costume or uniform are just pronouncing their commitment to it.
|
Originally Posted by starphoenix
It is based on ability not intent. If you can handle yourself in a fight or have the proper rescue training and want to help someone from harm, then they should help, but if you are an average person that can't do anything, then take a photo of the crime in progress, run away, then when it is safe to phone, call the police. All rescue training involves making sure you are safe before rescuing someone else. It doesn't make any sense to try to save someone in a sour gas leak if you are going to collapse from being poisoned. Instead of one person to be rescued, there is now two.
|
Quote:
I would say that they are not a civilized human and no better than a wild beast. I am half tempted to classify those people as not human. Common sense dictates that you should help your fellow man if there is no danger or significant cost to you. However, common sense is not common. If I was a cop and came across that scene, then I would arrest at least the people that are entertained by the misery of the victim.
|
Originally Posted by Innovator
Except from my experience, normal people do not do any of that, instead they use such excuses or make others to not to lend a hand to feel justified by their inaction. Those that do take pictures do so for profit or to show off their "adventure", not to aid. Its those that do what general people think is insane, that stand up for others. Costume or not I'm glad for those that risk life and limb to help others...the way I look at it, the ones in costume or uniform are just pronouncing their commitment to it.
|
The first step in being sane is to admit that you are insane.
Sigh...
Troy Hickman - So proud to have contributed to and played in this wonderful CoH universe
Quote:
Kitty Genovese. This is not a new phenomenon by any means. What YouTube, et al do is make such incidents more visible, but they have always happened.|
Originally Posted by starphoenix
Didn't need a costume to do that. But there is a reason why they wear a costume and not some outfit thats main purpose is to protect them from danger. I have to agree that some humans are no more civilized than a bunch of animals. Actually, scratch that. Some humans are less civilized than a bunch of animals since certain animals would protect their own. A possible reason for the thirty people watching might be due to America becoming a voyeuristic society. We are constantly bombarded with youtube, reality television, sitcoms, movies, etc. There is also the problem that the more people that are present, the more likely someone won't get help since everyone assumes that someone else will do it. A possible way to fix this is have the Good Samaritan Law enforced where if a group of people don't inform the proper authorities about a dangerous situation, then they could be charged. There should be no reason for people to become RL Superheroes unless they are insane instead of only partially insane.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
Just a lot of big words, 'what if's and 'should be's.
I don't think anyone's saying we should all play dress up and walk the streets at night, or that we shouldn't be calling the proper authorities to handle the situation. But when the sh** hits the fan, and people need help, sometimes waiting is just as good as letting people die. Danger isn't insane. Standing by and praying for the best when you *know* you can do more is insane. |
If someone can make community action more fun then good luck to them.
My old university had a great story about how two students dressed as Batman and Robin, on thier way to a Costume Party at the Student Union, helped push someone's car until it got started then ran off into the night with a cry "Good look citizen!"
So yeah, more of that please! Little bits of sillyness like this don't hurt anyone, don't be so curmudgeonly.
Quote:
Big difference in your example and what the story was about. The students were on their way to a costume party; the participants in the vid are not.|
Originally Posted by Fanservice
If someone can make community action more fun then good luck to them.
My old university had a great story about how two students dressed as Batman and Robin, on thier way to a Costume Party at the Student Union, helped push someone's car until it got started then ran off into the night with a cry "Good look citizen!" So yeah, more of that please! Little bits of sillyness like this don't hurt anyone, don't be so curmudgeonly. |
And there's a big difference between dressing up like two known icons and looking like a crime-busting Christian Bale did in "Batman Begins"; before the Batman cowl was complete.
There's occasions for dress up (and if something happens during those occasions, so be it) but to pull a KA invites the same kind of pain and near death that happened in that same movie; without Big Daddy and Hit Girl to pull their amateur behinds out of the fire... even without donning a costume.
I'm not advising to do nothing... however I would advise against 'aggressively looking for trouble'.
Its not like I've never daydreamed about being a Punisher/Batman-esque or Guardian Angel type, but when it comes down to it... that's toeing both the legality and the personal safety line... and I don't need a poorly made, cumbersome costume to get a cat out of a tree, help an old lady across the street or dial 9-1-1.
If one absolutely must have a costume in order to deter crime; join the police, join the military or wear a neighborhood watch t-shirt and an orange vest. Anything else is an externalization of personal delusion.
Apparently, I play "City of Shakespeare"
*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
Quote:
My viewpoint on the whole subject, of course, is to *not* go dressing up as weirdos and wander the streets at night.|
Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
I'm not advising to do nothing... however I would advise against 'aggressively looking for trouble'.
|
*HOWEVER*, I still feel these people are making some difference, if it's only them telling people to get involved. To not just look aside but to help. Because society has become so desensitized and cynical...apparently, a statement must be made...and just 'advising' is about as helpful as talking. And you know the saying, talk is cheap.
Something must be happening...I'm sure there were cases of strange people dressing up as superheroes and trying to fight crime, but how much have those cases increased in the past several years? Hopefully, we won't need costumed citizens to make examples for us and we'll all just pitch our fists in to bring some sense to the world.
Quote:
People doing things like this have been going at it on and off for years now and none of them have been seriously injured.|
Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
There's occasions for dress up (and if something happens during those occasions, so be it) but to pull a KA invites the same kind of pain and near death that happened in that same movie; without Big Daddy and Hit Girl to pull their amateur behinds out of the fire... even without donning a costume.
|
If the police, on the whole, are okay with it then I can't really see the harm. People cry doom every time this sort of thing comes up, but it doesn't actually happen. Kick *** was just a movie after all.
Sure you don't need a costume to do it, but hey they're having fun. Seems almost spiteful to spoil it for them.
Quote:
In the case I was witness to, 10 minutes for the police to come from when I made the call. Doesn't sound too long, but the guy stopped breathing in less than 5 minutes, and it took the police another 10 minutes to make sure the area was secure before they let the paramedics in, by that time the poor guy was DOA for sure. I don't blame the police, this is just the reality of what happens when someone is shot...I just wish I could have done more to help.
|
Originally Posted by sleestack
As I said in the last thread on this topic - all of about 2 weeks ago - when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
|
Quote:
That is what first aid is for. It is not to cure a person, but to keep a person alive long enough so that paramedics can stabilize them.
|
Originally Posted by Innovator
In the case I was witness to, 10 minutes for the police to come from when I made the call. Doesn't sound too long, but the guy stopped breathing in less than 5 minutes, and it took the police another 10 minutes to make sure the area was secure before they let the paramedics in, by that time the poor guy was DOA for sure. I don't blame the police, this is just the reality of what happens when someone is shot...I just wish I could have done more to help.
|
The first step in being sane is to admit that you are insane.
It's a good way to get yourself seriously killed. Leave crime fighting to people with the training, weapons, and authority to do so.
Quote:
Again, there's absolutely nothing that backs this up. None of them have been seriously killed or even badly injured.
|
Originally Posted by Navy Spider
It's a good way to get yourself seriously killed. Leave crime fighting to people with the training, weapons, and authority to do so.
|
Yet.
You forgot to add a yet to the end of your sentence.
Rabbits & Hares:Blue (Mind/Emp Controller)Maroon (Rad/Thermal Corruptor)and one of each AT all at 50
MA Arcs: Apples of Contention - 3184; Zen & Relaxation - 35392; Tears of Leviathan - 121733 | All posts are rated "R" for "R-r-rrrrr, baby!"|Now, and this is very important... do you want a hug? COH Faces @Blue Rabbit
Quote:
Do you know how to stop someone from bleeding out in a parking lot? I sure don't, and no one there seemed to know either. Even the 911 operator couldn't/wouldn't help me, even when I begged her to connect me with someone that could. Her priority was to collect information of what happened, and to access the current situation for when the police arrived. The police's priority is to secure the area and make sure it is safe for the paramedics. The safety concerns of everyone probabably didn't mean anything to the victim.|
Originally Posted by starphoenix
That is what first aid is for. It is not to cure a person, but to keep a person alive long enough so that paramedics can stabilize them.
|
I can only hope if anyone playing City of Heroes witnesses something like this, they will take a lesson and do the right thing. If they don't, I'm sure they'll come up with plenty of excuses why they didn't
Mmmmkay.
It was cool to watch on "Kick-A__", but I think the first part of that movie should've taught these guys at least a lil' sumpin' sumpin'.
Apparently, I play "City of Shakespeare"
*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars