It's been brought up many, many times. It's unlikely to happen because it would be a great boon for the PL'ing services.
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Doh I never thought of that......well that stinks 
Thinking about this.....why would they care if the helped the PL'ing business?
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PL'ing business, as in the RMTers. Plus, it'd enable people to just sell a character (which is something they also don't wanna encourage).
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Originally Posted by PhaseStalker
Thinking about this.....why would they care if the helped the PL'ing business?
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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There are ingame items that are account restricted, which other accounts can't unlock unless they earned them or bought them from NCSoft.|
Originally Posted by PhaseStalker
Thinking about this.....why would they care if the helped the PL'ing business?
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1. Anniversary badges
2. Veteran Rewards
3. Booster/item packs (costumes, auras, powers, emotes)
4. Sideswitching (You can't make heroic villains or vice versa unless you buy GR)
5. Incarnate slots
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There's ways to get some of these, particularly side-switched characters without GR on your account, in the game already (There is/was a trial code that added GR to your account. There's also a GR Trial, that can be upgraded to a non-GR account). If you have characters with unusable things (Side switched, Praetorian, or one of the four new powersets), that character gets locked out until you add a GR code. I imagine that the same thing could be done to characters with Incarnate abilities.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
There are ingame items that are account restricted, which other accounts can't unlock unless they earned them or bought them from NCSoft.
1. Anniversary badges 2. Veteran Rewards 3. Booster/item packs (costumes, auras, powers, emotes) 4. Sideswitching (You can't make heroic villains or vice versa unless you buy GR) 5. Incarnate slots |
Locking out a character for having a costume part would be silly, so either the affected costume should be "genericed", or it should be treated like a costume with grandfathered costume pieces (like the Malaise pants) - if you ever open that costume in the Tailor, you won't be able to keep that piece; you'll be forced to change it.
Vet rewards would be trickier. They'd need to add a system to detect Vet Rewards (not just badges, but claimed rewards) and strip them from the character, if the new account doesn't have that level of Vet Rewards yet.
The only sure way to prevent (or at least severely limit) the selling of characters would be to limit account-to-account transfers to game accounts under the same master account. Unfortunately, that would limit the number of customers that could use the feature legitamitely, meaning that it probably wouldn't be worth the development time.
Which is too bad. I had to either reroll or lose several characters when I chose to close my second account, and with the upcoming EU/NA server merge, there'll be several people with legit reasons to use a feature like this.
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[QUOTE=Roderick;3555168]There's ways to get some of these, particularly side-switched characters without GR on your account, in the game already (There is/was a trial code that added GR to your account. There's also a GR Trial, that can be upgraded to a non-GR account). If you have characters with unusable things (Side switched, Praetorian, or one of the four new powersets), that character gets locked out until you add a GR code. I imagine that the same thing could be done to characters with Incarnate abilities.[quote]
And how many of those people do you think would be pissed off when they found out that after they just spent far too much money buying a character from an RMT site only to find out that the characters is unplayable because they have to buy additional features to unlock it? And do you seriously think they are going to blame the RMT site for not telling them, or say,"Well it's my own fault for not researching this before buying it."
Hell no they are going to blame NCSoft. And when they started kvetching about it and their account gets banned for using RMT they'll be even more pissed.
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See above response, because many costume parts are restricted to having Vet rewards, badges, and special promotions like the current one going on for the Vanguard stuff.| Locking out a character for having a costume part would be silly, so either the affected costume should be "genericed", or it should be treated like a costume with grandfathered costume pieces (like the Malaise pants) - if you ever open that costume in the Tailor, you won't be able to keep that piece; you'll be forced to change it. |
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| Vet rewards would be trickier. They'd need to add a system to detect Vet Rewards (not just badges, but claimed rewards) and strip them from the character, if the new account doesn't have that level of Vet Rewards yet. |
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| The only sure way to prevent (or at least severely limit) the selling of characters would be to limit account-to-account transfers to game accounts under the same master account. Unfortunately, that would limit the number of customers that could use the feature legitamitely, meaning that it probably wouldn't be worth the development time. |
And once again who would get blamed? Not the player. They always paint themselves as the innocent victims. NCSoft would once again take the rap.
Think it sounds silly. Well I saw it happen on STO before the game launched during beta. There was a player who had bought 5 or 6 copies of the game for the pre-order perks, and a lifetime subscription (That was at least $500. bucks spent legitimately on the game) who got his account banned when the RMT site he bought stuff from hacked his account and used it to spam RMT garbage both in game and on their forums. And when he got opened another account to complain he got banned there as well, but before he got banned again he wasn't blaming the RMT site. He wasn't saying he was an idiot. He was screaming bloody murder how STO screwed him over and he wanted his money back.
The devs are far better off just not allowing this stuff.
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It would help the RMT business. RMT = Real Money Trade. |
Originally Posted by PhaseStalker
Thinking about this.....why would they care if the helped the PL'ing business?
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One of teh services RMT sites offer is a PLing service, where they will take your character an PL it to 50 for you for a fee that is paid in real money.
It is both A) against the terms of service of the game and B) a HORRIBLE idea, because then the RMT site has access to both your account and your credit card information. Many of them are run out of China or some other country where it is impossible to prosecute for internet crime. They will frequently use the accounts of people who paid them for PL services to spam other players with ads for their services, resulting in the person who paid them for the PL getting their account banned. Also, they will use your credit card to start dozens of accounts for the purpose of continuing to spam people.
If you could transfer characters from one account to another, it would just make things easier on the RMTers, because then they could level a character to 50 and sell it to someone.
It would be a very good thing if the RMT people could be stomped out of the game altogether, but they still seem to be around, at least on the more populated servers.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Oh and if the OP doesn't understand how RMT sites do their powerleveling. You have to give them your account login and password and they will use them to level your character(s). They don't invite you to a team. |
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
It would help the RMT business. RMT = Real Money Trade.
One of teh services RMT sites offer is a PLing service, where they will take your character an PL it to 50 for you for a fee that is paid in real money. It is both A) against the terms of service of the game and B) a HORRIBLE idea, because then the RMT site has access to both your account and your credit card information. Many of them are run out of China or some other country where it is impossible to prosecute for internet crime. They will frequently use the accounts of people who paid them for PL services to spam other players with ads for their services, resulting in the person who paid them for the PL getting their account banned. Also, they will use your credit card to start dozens of accounts for the purpose of continuing to spam people. If you could transfer characters from one account to another, it would just make things easier on the RMTers, because then they could level a character to 50 and sell it to someone. It would be a very good thing if the RMT people could be stomped out of the game altogether, but they still seem to be around, at least on the more populated servers. |
Oh and if anything drops while they are on your account I guarantee that you'll never see it. They'll steal it and you'll never be the wiser.
Everything everyone said here makes total sense. As one poster said, its just too bad that legit customers end up losing out. I too have a second account I dont pay for anymore that I would love to get a few toons transferred to my main account. They are 50's that I now have a reason to play....
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It always sucks when players have to put up with restrictions because of other other peoples misconduct.|
Originally Posted by PhaseStalker
Everything everyone said here makes total sense. As one poster said, its just too bad that legit customers end up losing out. I too have a second account I dont pay for anymore that I would love to get a few toons transferred to my main account. They are 50's that I now have a reason to play....
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There's also another thing to consider. This game makes its money off of subscriptions, and a lot of players have multiple accounts. SO looking at this from a financial perspective the company (not the devs) has to decide if it's worth the risk of people cancelling their secondary accounts.
We aren't WoW. Can the company afford to lose the income from the extra accounts many players have.
I've always suspected that's one of the reasons why the company is reluctant to increase the number of characters we can have per server. I'm betting a lot of people cancelled their extra accounts when we were told we could buy 24 more slots per server.
This has become a little more relevant again, but i want to ask the question again - Or rather, make the suggestion.
I've got 2 accounts on my NCSoft master account, and i want to transfer the character from my old EU account to my current main CoX account. It's got less perks unlocked than my main account, so there's no problem in terms of unlockables. The character are also all on different servers, so there's no problem with slots...
Why shouldnt this be possible? Transfering character between accounts that share a master account should be doable?
I would love to transfer some of my old toons to my much more blinged out account, and all are under the master account.
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No, it hasn't become more relevant. If anything the new restrictions to Free and Premium accounts have made it less likely to happen. |
Originally Posted by Silver Sanguis
This has become a little more relevant again, but i want to ask the question again - Or rather, make the suggestion.
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| I've got 2 accounts on my NCSoft master account, and i want to transfer the character from my old EU account to my current main CoX account. It's got less perks unlocked than my main account, so there's no problem in terms of unlockables. The character are also all on different servers, so there's no problem with slots... |
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| Why shouldnt this be possible? Transfering character between accounts that share a master account should be doable? |
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Surely if both accounts had to be on the same NCSoft master account the whole RMT argument is nullified? I still don't see them bothering because unless the fee they charged was astronomical it would not be worth the dev resources.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
It would help the RMT business. RMT = Real Money Trade.
... If you could transfer characters from one account to another, it would just make things easier on the RMTers, because then they could level a character to 50 and sell it to someone. |
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How does the accounts being on the same Master Account resolve any of the issues concerning the seperate accounts not having the same "perks" unlocked? Accounts on a Master account are frequently used by different people in the same household.|
Originally Posted by Suzumebachi
Surely if both accounts had to be on the same NCSoft master account the whole RMT argument is nullified? I still don't see them bothering because unless the fee they charged was astronomical it would not be worth the dev resources.
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Do you think NCSoft is really stupid enough to allow people to twink out characters on a main account that has all the perks unlocked and then transfer them to an account that hasn't spent the money required to use those perks?
And if NCSoft were to allow transfers like this but blocked the use of perks that weren't unlocked first on other accounts just imagine the outrage from the people that bought the transfers and discovered they couldn't use anything that was used to trick out the character without spending even more money.
Also, one could open a new account, pay to haves character there poweleveled, and then switched to the main account. All without letting RMT powerlevelers get a hold of your main account info.
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It doesn't, I merely pointed out it nullified all the RMT arguments people were making.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
How does the accounts being on the same Master Account resolve any of the issues concerning the seperate accounts not having the same "perks" unlocked? Accounts on a Master account are frequently used by different people in the same household.
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As for the differences in account perks, I think you're entirely correct. It's way too much effort and hassle for Paragon Studios to offer this service.
First of all: I would love to see this, I really would. I have two accounts, mostly for extra character slots (this was before the days of purchasable slots). It might be nice to migrate some characters from the second account to the first, now that I can get more slots there, and also now that the Paragon Market has so many account-specific things I don't want to pay double for.
However, that said, I don't think it's ever going to happen. The Big Elephant of MMOs allows some limited transfers between accounts. They must either both be on their equivalent of a master account, or the last names on the account have to match (which is not something you can easily change once an account is created).
That feature is used all the time for RMT. Leveling services, character sales, you name it, it's big business there. There are sites dedicated to buying and selling characters -- and many of them were stolen from hacked accounts (which is also a very big problem there).
Limiting it to master account only might be enough to stop some of that, but I guarantee people would find loopholes.
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Gee you mean like starting a free account, transferring the twinked out characters to it and then selling the password and login? Then stealing the account back by using the Master account to change the password and sell it to another dumb schmuck.
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Originally Posted by MTS
Limiting it to master account only might be enough to stop some of that, but I guarantee people would find loopholes.
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Something exactly like that... 
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Gee you mean like starting a free account, transferring the twinked out characters to it and then selling the password and login? Then stealing the account back by using the Master account to change the password and sell it to another dumb schmuck.
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Even then, both players would get banned for it anyway so this really is a non-issue.
Maybe it could be done arbitrarily by support rather than making it an unsupervised service? Besides, this mostly applies only to older VIP accounts (which could be a restriction) which still have seperate eu/us accounts or otherwise, restricting it to accounts older than 2 years?
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If they don't already play the game, or any other NCSoft game, how are they to know they AREN'T buying the master account? |
Originally Posted by Silver Sanguis
I very much doubt that anyone who would buy CoX accounts would bother buying anything but the master account.
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That's kind of the point when you sell an account to someone: You sell it to someone who doesn't know any better.
Ebay item listing would be deceptive enough that someone who wants to play the game but never has would be told they have the opportunity to purchase an account that already has numerous level 50 characters on it. They would NOT be told that it is attached to a separate master account which can later be used to reclaim (steal back) the account that was sold.
And since buying and selling accounts is against the terms of service of the game (and I think PayPal as well, because it's not a physical object and there's no way to verify that the buyer received the item sold), the buyer has zero recourse to get their money back.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
Have they ever given us the option to transfer characters from one account to another.....say if you are paying for two accounts?
Has this ever been brought up before?