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Updated! Discussion: /bug is bugged on the EU Training Room and NA Beta server

Avatea

By Avatea,
Posted on: 2011-03-22 14:45 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs

 

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Originally Posted by TonyV View Post
If this were true, you'd be right. However, I don't think there's any real expectation to be able to /bug the /bug system being bugged. Sure, it's funny to try, and saying something like, "Someone should /bug that!" is an example of verbal irony in that they know that it's not possible. But there has to be a difference between what is expected, believed, or said, and what is true in reality. Without that difference, it's not irony. In this case, what we know to be true (that trying to /bug the /bug system being bugged probably won't work) is in line with reality (that it really probably won't work).
Well when you word it like that, you do have a point so let's try to look at it from yet another point of view.

We (as players) actually have no way of knowing if /bug is broken. It's one of the few features that we wouldn't really be able to see the results of to notice it isn't working. We just assume it works and believe if we find an issue in the game that we can report it using that system and somebody will get it.

I guess the irony here could be that in a system designed to let the players report an issue to the Devs, a Dev had to report it to the players.



Ok.. maybe that really is stretching. lol

 

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Originally Posted by TonyV View Post
What's ironic is that you seem to not know what IS actual irony if you think that firespray's use of the word is incorrect. Just to break it down yet again for those who seem to love jumping on the "you don't know what irony is!" bandwagon, simplistically speaking, irony is an incongruity between something that is said, expected, or believed, and the reality of a situation.
How about jumping on the "You don't know what irony is!" bandwagon by chiding someone for jumping on the "You don't know what irony is!" bandwagon, when they appear to actually be agreeing that an ironic circumstance is, in fact, ironic? Is that ironic, do you think?

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What's ironic is that you seem to not know what IS actual irony if you think that firespray's use of the word is incorrect.

To me it seemed like a reference to Alanis Morrisette and her song Irony, which, ironically, has no actual Irony in the song itself.

Unfortunately most people don't get the irony of Irony.

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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa View Post
To me it seemed like a reference to Alanis Morrisette and her song Irony, which, ironically, has no actual Irony in the song itself.
...Except that many of the things mentioned it are, in fact, ironic. Just a short survey of the lyrics:

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Originally Posted by Alanis Morissette
An old man turned ninety-eight
He won the lottery and died the next day
The expectation is for a lottery winner to be able to enjoy the abundant fruits of their extraordinary fortune for at least a little while, that such a person is uncommonly lucky. The reality of the situation is that winning the lottery will mean nothing to this man, as he will be dead before he's even able to receive the check, and he is uncommonly unlucky.

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Originally Posted by Alanis Morissette
It's a black fly in your Chardonnay
The expectation is for an expensive glass of wine to be of exquisite quality. The reality of the situation is that someone has paid a lot of money for a drink that is extremely gross, that may even make him or her sick, and that very few people would actually drink.

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Originally Posted by Alanis Morissette
It's a death row pardon two minutes late
Hopefully this one is obvious. The expectation in a pardon being issued is that the inmate won't be executed. The reality of the situation is that he's already dead.

I could go on, but you get the point. Is everything in the song ironic? Enh, some of it would be stretching it. The verse about "Mr. Play-It-Safe" is unfortunate and coincidental, but not particularly ironic. Good advice that you didn't take isn't ironic.

But the following passage is actually a really nice description of irony:

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Originally Posted by Alanis Morissette
Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
When you think everything's okay and everything's going right
And life has a funny way of helping you out when
You think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up
In your face
She's pointing out the incongruity of what you believe your situation to be and what the reality of the situation actually is. This, my friend, is almost a dictionary definition of irony. It says to me that Alanis Morissette is very well aware of what irony is, and even if she took some artistic license in giving examples, she most certainly doesn't deserve all of the grief she's gotten over this song.

You're are right, though, that this song set off a whole bunch of people who thought it would make them sound really smart to criticize a popular song for not being 100% technically accurate. But in Alanis Morissette's defense, I'm pretty sure that when she sat down and scrawled out the lyrics of the song, she didn't do it with the intention of it being critiqued by a million Internet trolls who think they're English professors. If one can't get past the grammar to appreciate the sentiment she's expressing, the frustration of being blind-sided by life when you think things are cruising right along, then it must really suck for such a person to listen to any great musical artist.

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"I think it would be ironic if we were made of iron!" - Michael J. Caboose

 

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Originally Posted by TonyV View Post
She's pointing out the incongruity of what you believe your situation to be and what the reality of the situation actually is. This, my friend, is almost a dictionary definition of irony. It says to me that Alanis Morissette is very well aware of what irony is, and even if she took some artistic license in giving examples, she most certainly doesn't deserve all of the grief she's gotten over this song.
Actually, Alanis has admitted that her 19 year-old self didn't know what she was talking about.

WHICH IS ITSELF IRONIC!!

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