I broke my concept!


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Okie. Story nightmare.

So, I hit 41 (Yay!!!)

My toon concept is that she was merged with a Kheldian Warshade. Lydia (The toon) was sepperated from him (The Warshade) and through mutation kept the powers of Gravity and could create Force Fields.

So, I went through all of the powers and I wanted stone, because of gravity's effect on the earth, but then I clicked fire because I already do smashing damage and thought Id have more edge with fire, which I do actually.

Now, my concept is, well, plain off.

I even teleport and stuff like a Kheldian. I have stuck very close to my theme, but this busted my theme. I could do a respec I know, but I sort of like fire, Im just not sure how to work it in. Why would I have fire?

I thought maybe because of cosmic forces. But still...meh, I cant figure it out.

If you have an idea that would be appreciated.


 

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Color it purple and call it negative energy? (I don't know if you can do that with epics though)...


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Okie. Story nightmare.

So, I hit 41 (Yay!!!)

My toon concept is that she was merged with a Kheldian Warshade. Lydia (The toon) was sepperated from him (The Warshade) and through mutation kept the powers of Gravity and could create Force Fields.

So, I went through all of the powers and I wanted stone, because of gravity's effect on the earth, but then I clicked fire because I already do smashing damage and thought Id have more edge with fire, which I do actually.

Now, my concept is, well, plain off.

I even teleport and stuff like a Kheldian. I have stuck very close to my theme, but this busted my theme. I could do a respec I know, but I sort of like fire, Im just not sure how to work it in. Why would I have fire?

I thought maybe because of cosmic forces. But still...meh, I cant figure it out.

If you have an idea that would be appreciated.
Wouldn't Soul or Primal Forces be closer matches? You even get Soul Drain (Mire-a-like) with Soul. Primal has some advantages too, no need to go red-side to get it and Power Boost works well with the ally bubbles.

Not sure what you could do at the moment with Fire. If we had APP Customization it wouldn't be as much of an issue of course, dark purple fire would work pretty well.

Only thing I can think of is fudging it as an echo of some other Kheld form, a fiery sun-dweller (I know Novas already live on/in suns) of some sort and designing a cossie around that idea.


 

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Okie. Story nightmare.

So, I hit 41 (Yay!!!)

My toon concept is that she was merged with a Kheldian Warshade. Lydia (The toon) was sepperated from him (The Warshade) and through mutation kept the powers of Gravity and could create Force Fields.

So, I went through all of the powers and I wanted stone, because of gravity's effect on the earth, but then I clicked fire because I already do smashing damage and thought Id have more edge with fire, which I do actually.

Now, my concept is, well, plain off.

I even teleport and stuff like a Kheldian. I have stuck very close to my theme, but this busted my theme. I could do a respec I know, but I sort of like fire, Im just not sure how to work it in. Why would I have fire?

I thought maybe because of cosmic forces. But still...meh, I cant figure it out.

If you have an idea that would be appreciated.

Nothing ever quite goes as planned for supers.

Spidey wound up with extra arms once.
He also wound up with a suite of Iron Spider armor as well.
Hell, he even toted around the Uni-Power for a bit.

Your hero has been traveling the world, kicking butt, taking names, and getting exposed to all sorts of queer energy and mystical effects. Who's to say WHAT effects that'd have on a superhuman metabolism. Not to mention the fact that your hero may have had various dormant metahuman traits that pre-disposed them towards high-level fire powers.

So one day he's locking the bad guy down HARD, and the next thing he knows, his captive bursts into flames. Kind of a firey "Scanners Headsplody" effect.

"Now where the hell did THAT come from?"



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Nothing ever quite goes as planned for supers.

Spidey wound up with extra arms once.
He also wound up with a suite of Iron Spider armor as well.
Hell, he even toted around the Uni-Power for a bit.

Your hero has been traveling the world, kicking butt, taking names, and getting exposed to all sorts of queer energy and mystical effects. Who's to say WHAT effects that'd have on a superhuman metabolism. Not to mention the fact that your hero may have had various dormant metahuman traits that pre-disposed them towards high-level fire powers.

So one day he's locking the bad guy down HARD, and the next thing he knows, his captive bursts into flames. Kind of a firey "Scanners Headsplody" effect.

"Now where the hell did THAT come from?"
Well, I cant color the Epic fire Purple or what not. But Fireball is definately coming in handy. Primal Forces seemed good, but as a controller I did not see Soul Mastry or anything dark based.

I had Fire, Ice, Stone, Psionic, and primal. I thought I could color the fire.

I think I went fire because I already have knockback and Stone and Primal offer knockback. Psionic, I liked, and it was between that and fire really. But My build lacks any form of AOE options. I just can't color the fire. Or when I go to the tailor it's just not an option.


 

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...as a controller I did not see Soul Mastry or anything dark based....
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Using super gravity powers to fuse hydrogen atoms? That would make a bit of heat


 

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Maybe the fire powers are an expression of her own potential rather than something picked up from her former Kheldian partner? The powers she would have eventually expressed on her own, even if she'd never become a Warshade.


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Maybe the fire powers are an expression of her own potential rather than something picked up from her former Kheldian partner? The powers she would have eventually expressed on her own, even if she'd never become a Warshade.
Actually. The whole concept of Lydia was what she had breast cancer. And in a fight for her life Rift-Dancer became infatuated with her. She had gone through chemo and radiation therapy, so perhaps her exposure to radiation when the Keld merged with her had a latend effect of fire.

Again, this might not be cannnon but it was what I thought was an interesting thought. So perhaps it could explain why she now has some fire related powers, due to radiation. Like Jean, who was telekinetic and telepathic but occasionally manifested pyrokinetic styles of power. (Although that will always remain a comicbook nerd debate...even though I like the idea)

I was just wondering, without set comprimises if someone had a cool way of perhaps running an Epic pool power into a story. Because right now...it's not fitting, but super effective! Sometimes thing just don't mesh, so I was just asking if there was a clever way of changing my story to include it.

Like seriously.

Grav/FF/Fire?


 

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Here's an idea for ya, Nyx.

Lydia spent time as a warshade. During that time she (they) had the ability to absorb the energies of those around her, friend and foe alike (Mires, Eclipse, and even the inherent Dark Sustenance), and turn it against their foes. After the seperation, and unbeknowst to Lydia, she somehow managed to retain a small aspect of that ability and was steadily, and over the course of her new life, building up within her. Sort of like a "genetic memory" from Rift-Dancer. The only reason it never happened while they were fused was because the Warshade aspect of her was dominant and over-riding. However, without Rift-Dancers influence, when the process has reached it's peak, it manifested in the form of the capability of releasing fire blasts.

Bear in mind this is off top of my head...but with a little fine-tuning, this could be a workable solution to your concept dilemma.


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Great thing about magic is it can be learned.

Congratulations, you're now a level 5 wizard.


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Propel

You can open a gravitational rift and retrieve a heavy object, then Propel it at your foes for Smashing Damage.



You're new Firepowers: You can open a gravitational rift and retrieve lava, fiery dimensional object, etc, then Propel it at your foes for Fiery damage...


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You can use your mastery over gravity to pick up practically any object and spin it at incredible speeds. A force field you envelope around the spinning object keeps it from exploding outwards, and the incredible friction you're creating causes the object to build up a ton of heat. Then you lob it at a target, at which point the force field pops and the built up heat explodes out.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole

Lots of ideas here for generating heat with gravitational forces.


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Wow...Ok. And yes! You all gave me some great concepts. I was reading a little about the Khelds Homeworld, the Gas Giant, and took some of the gravity concepts and the Black Hole Statement.

Generating heat using gravitational pull is not far off at all, and considdering the Kheld planet would have to have a high gravitational center to ensure the planets mass would not decay, it can fit with her Mutation of being linked with gravity as a Warshade.

Heat generation from a back hole can siphon even a burning nova/sun eventually overtime, so the concept that she is able to create gravitation pulls powerfull enough to siphon heat and then wield it is ok.

I agree soul would have been a better option but she is a hero and as the story goes, generally speaking, she was a good person and Rift-Dancer would never return to his darker path.

But now that I am experimenting with Science (Icky) I have some things to work with.

Ether that or...I am a level 5 Wizard (That was neato although for a brief moment I was gonna smack you with my Thac/0)

Thanks. I feel better about fire.


 

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Propel

You can open a gravitational rift and retrieve a heavy object, then Propel it at your foes for Smashing Damage.



You're new Firepowers: You can open a gravitational rift and retrieve lava, fiery dimensional object, etc, then Propel it at your foes for Fiery damage...
Ha ha that should have been the first thing any of us said.


 

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Well, I cant color the Epic fire Purple or what not. But Fireball is definately coming in handy. Primal Forces seemed good, but as a controller I did not see Soul Mastry or anything dark based.

I had Fire, Ice, Stone, Psionic, and primal. I thought I could color the fire.

I think I went fire because I already have knockback and Stone and Primal offer knockback. Psionic, I liked, and it was between that and fire really. But My build lacks any form of AOE options. I just can't color the fire. Or when I go to the tailor it's just not an option.
Unlock patron pools, it will just take a quick trip to the dark side and back and you can get the Ghost Widow dark pool or one of the others that may work for you.


 

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Unlock patron pools, it will just take a quick trip to the dark side and back and you can get the Ghost Widow dark pool or one of the others that may work for you.
Nah. The Thermodynamic concepts presented to me kind of resparked my concept. I looked at soul and then I really looked at the Kheld, and while khelds do use neg energy based powers many of the names imply gravitation, so as a gravity controller I have the feel I wanted.

Now with the fire, Im stating in my story that things like Worm Hole, or Propel have allowed her to channel cosmic forces of Black Holes, (Not that far off) which absorb all light and heat and everything, and she is able to open, on her end the opposite side of that Black Hole, which is eating a small sun (Somewhere) expelling heat radiation absorbed in the form of flames etc.

Soul focuses on some of the Khelds background powers, but I wanted my toon to gave the feel of a Kheld when her mutation occured. However, I don't 100% want to match them because I want the Warshade to be an aspect but not try to create a sub par version.

I think it works now. Plus, fire is really giving me some AOE and alt damage types.