Highlander reboot slated for 2014
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Posted on: 2011-03-14 07:50 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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You gain their knowledge, their skills, possibly some habits or personality quirks depending on how well you assimilate the quickening. Superhuman strength? No.
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Originally Posted by Baltar
One thing I always wondered about, when you defeat an Immortal & get his Quickening (Power, Lifeforce, Knowledge), does that include all their fighting skills as well?
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Originally Posted by Forefinger_
It seemed like that would be the case.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
You gain their knowledge, their skills, possibly some habits or personality quirks depending on how well you assimilate the quickening. Superhuman strength? No.
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Excellent, then a novice Immortal with little combat experience can quickly be on equal terms with other Immortals by using a trap to incapacitate his opponent, then take his head & gain his caliber of fighting skills.
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Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
So, Here's a challenge - Pitch your idea for Highlander 2, a sequel to Highlander that does NOT invalidate any of the original movie.
Here's an off-the-cuff pitch of my own, just to get things rolling: --------- Highlander: Rebirth The year is 1995. We see an older Connor Mcleod typing on a computer. He finishes whatever he is doing, then pops out a CD, which he places in a plastic case and carries to a nearby bookcase. He presses a catch and the bookcase swings away to reveal a hidden closet. His sword is here, along with mementos and boxes of unknown contents. He places the CD in the closet, caresses the sword, and closes the bookcase/door. Moments later, outside the house, a shot rings out and a storm of lightning bolts jumps from the house to the cloudless sky. Skip ahead to 2015. Young Duncan Mcleod sits in a lawyer's office. He is turning twenty and is about to receive his full inheritance, which has been held in a trust fund setup by his father before his suicide. The assets he receives include a cryptic videotape; a recorded message from his father that begins a journey to an education in the ways of the Immortals and the Quickening. Around the world, strange things are happening. News programs report scientific studies showing that Global Warming processes appear to be accelerating. In Russia, a criminal is shot and killed, only to wake up on a morgue table a few hours later. In Afghanistan, a squad of soldiers is killed by a roadside bomb, yet one of the soldiers unaccountably revives. In France a suicidal woman leaps into the Seine, only to find herself a day later on the shore and unaccountably undrowned. Through a series of adventures, young Mcleod is brought face to face with a truth that his father realized - The Quickening is not a one-time event. It is a concentration of spiritual energy that is a survival mechanism of the species. The Quickening happens when the species approaches an evolutionary crisis. The winner of the Prize becomes mortal so that the energy is released back into the world upon his death, and the Game begins anew. Sometimes the white hats win. Sometimes the black hats. Genocide is sometimes what the species requires to survive. This is why Cro-Magnon Man displaced Neanderthal Man. This is why **** Sapiens has evolved through one crisis and another. Now, there is an approaching evolutionary crisis - a climate catastrophe that will threaten the very existence of mankind. Rather than let the cycle once again run its path randomly, Connor makes a decision to control the upcoming new Game and direct it as much as possible. To use a literary example, he uses his knowledge gained by the Prize to become Hari Seldon and to appoint his son Duncan to be the leader of the Second Foundation. Young Mcleod, through his father's financial resources, stockpiled knowledge and recorded guidance, is to create The Watchers; a group whose purpose is to find nascent Immortals of the next Game, teach them the minimum that they need to know about their condition, and manipulate them when possible and necessary to achieve the goals of the Watchers. This goal is nothing less than the survival of humanity when the global catastrophe arrives. The next Quickening will be the sign of its impending arrival and at that time the Watchers must put Connor's plans into action and support the champion among the Immortals that they have chosen as worthy to lead Humanity through the catastrophe to whatever awaits beyond it. The first threat to the plan arrives in the form of Rostov, a Russian gangster who uses his newfound power to track down every Immortal he can find and absorb their power. If left to his own devices, the Plan will be derailed before it can even begin. Obi Wan, er, Duncan must find a champion among the newly minted Immortals to bring up to speed quickly to face and defeat Rostov and insure that the Plan is successfully launched. Will Luke defeat Vader permanently? This remains to be seen... Yeah, it sucks, but I'll put that suck up against any sequel I've heard of so far. heh. |
My own idea for Endgame was this:
The movie opens with Connor Macleod living in a cabin in the mountains, far from cities and civilization. He's been there for some years now, his adopted daughter Rachel has moved on after he left her a sizeable fortune before his fight with the Kurgan, and his beloved Brenda had perished in recent years due to illness. Connor still practices his skills but considers himself weary of it all and out of the game. He maintains occasional contact with Duncan but otherwise has cut himself off from the world. Depression can be bad when one is immortal.
The evil immortal of the movie approaches and Connor recognizes him and feels a sense of dread, for he has faced this foe in the past and the battle was obviously inconclusive as they both still had their heads. After the obligatory flashback to when they first met, the battle is joined. It is a furious battle as both fight with all their might, however in the end there indeed can be only one, and this time it was not Connor Macleod. Connor's head is severed and we get a quickening on par with the Kurgan's to show how powerful Connor was. The villain absorbs it all, rests for a few minutes, then stands and smiles and leaves.
A few minutes after his departure, two people emerge from the woods where they had been watching the battle. Both are Watchers, one for Connor and the other for the villain.
Connor's Watcher: "our oaths not withstanding, this is very bad. The Watchers have always had secret hopes that Connor or his clansman would be the final winner of the Game."
Villain's Watcher: "Yes, this is a dark day for both immortal and mortal. The power he absorbed will make him far more unstoppable then he was before. I'm also certain that he now will target Duncan."
Connor's Watcher: "If only we could warn him without breaking our oaths. Joe got himself in enough trouble over that."
"Yes, but Joe is our best bet to get word to Duncan." The Watcher pulls out a smartphone and links to the Watcher's and sends a Chronicle update for the evil immortal that indicates that Connor has fallen to him. The Watcher then sends out a Watcher news bulletin that all Watcher's will receive on their computers or mobile devices. These bulletin's are recent innovations in the new information age that send coded alerts to the Watcher's when an immortal falls. The codes tell who won and who was the victim.
"It's done. I'll write up the formal entry on him later, for now I need to get back on his trail, good luck."
Connor's Watcher picks up Connor's sword and looks at the body of the fallen hero and makes a decision and soon leaves after tidying up the scene including a quick burial for Connor.
The next day, Duncan is in his dojo working out when Joe arrives. Duncan smiles and greets him then sees the look on Joe's face and knows there is trouble.
"Mac...we have to talk. Things have changed and not for the better."
"What's wrong?"
"There is an ancient evil immortal on the hunt again. This guy is on par with the Kurgan in terms of how despicable he is and he is powerful. Every century or two he goes to ground in Holy Ground somewhere where he rests, trains and monitors the world events for a few decades then emerges again to hunt. This is one of the few immortals that makes the Watchers nervous."
"Why not form a hunting party and take him down?"
"Don't tempt us on that Mac, this immortal over the years has sorely tempted Watchers to break the no interference rule and make an attempt to take him down."
"So instead you want me to take him down? Come on, Joe. You and I have worked together before and that has been good at times, but you know I can't become the Watcher's weapon everytime an evil immortal is on the hunt."
"I know Mac, but this time I think you will want in on this. I was ordered to the local regional office for a meeting of the Watchers. When I was there, I was given the official report on the villain's latest victim. When I was told who it was, everyone there looked at me in expectation, as if they were silently urging me to contact you. I didn't want to, but knowing who the victim was I had to. The Watchers want this immortal stopped, even though we are not supposed to play favorites, if this immortal ends up with the Prize then we expect mankind to be doomed."
"Who was the victim?"
Joe then opens a package he had brought with him, a package that contained Connor's katana.
"Oh no......not Connor!"
"I'm sorry, Mac. I truly am. The Watchers tend to put immortal's swords in their museums but I've bent the rules on this knowing that you should have it. I am truly sorry about Connor, he was one of the best and the Watchers hoped for decades that you or him would be the last."
Duncan picks up the sword with reverence and then says "Who is this immortal....and WHERE is he?"
The rest of the movie involves the villain hunting and tormenting Duncan by taking down some of Duncan's other immortal friends until the two finally meet for the final fight.
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Originally Posted by Baltar
Excellent, then a novice Immortal with little combat experience can quickly be on equal terms with other Immortals by using a trap to incapacitate his opponent, then take his head & gain his caliber of fighting skills.
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If i had any confidence in hollywood to do it right, i would prefer to see a reboot of the series. One where there actually is a tangible benefit to the quickening. Not to mention something that erases the stain of the more horrible parts of the franchise. Now i dug the TV show, and was fond of the 1st movie, but looking back, the 1st movie wasn't even all that great. The story was alright and you cant beat the soundtrack (which of course, you NEED for a reboot 
), but the parts of the story taking place in 'present day' was more crap than not. And Lambert was damn near blind back then, it'd be nice to get someone who could go through a nice swordfight and not make it look like the other guy was purposefully holding back because he knew his opponent couldnt see him.
Would also be nice to see stuff like the Watchers incorporated from the get go. But that's me.
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They had in at least one episode, implied that gaining the skills of another immortal through beheading could be a enough, when a new immortal (a circus magician) traps Duncan, and says if he takes Duncan's head, then he won't have to worry about the other Immortals as much.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
Gaining the skills is one thing, practicing said skills is another.
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Duncan pretty much says that's true. Then shows off the locked picked handcuffs, and leaves the magician to his fate, which of course, he then senses another immortal arrive.
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I figured that more like how it was on the original Star Wars, the fancy sword fighting just isnt there.|
Originally Posted by Veritech
If i had any confidence in hollywood to do it right, i would prefer to see a reboot of the series. One where there actually is a tangible benefit to the quickening. Not to mention something that erases the stain of the more horrible parts of the franchise. Now i dug the TV show, and was fond of the 1st movie, but looking back, the 1st movie wasn't even all that great. The story was alright and you cant beat the soundtrack (which of course, you NEED for a reboot
), but the parts of the story taking place in 'present day' was more crap than not. And Lambert was damn near blind back then, it'd be nice to get someone who could go through a nice swordfight and not make it look like the other guy was purposefully holding back because he knew his opponent couldnt see him. Would also be nice to see stuff like the Watchers incorporated from the get go. But that's me. |
My hope would be ina reboot to see OMG AWESOME *DROOOOOL* SWORD FIGHTS!
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The fighting was stiffer than Frankenstein and a robot in a dance contest.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
I figured that more like how it was on the original Star Wars, the fancy sword fighting just isnt there.
My hope would be ina reboot to see OMG AWESOME *DROOOOOL* SWORD FIGHTS! |
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I'm actually amazed this series kept on going, considering how bad some of it has been. Despite some shortcomings, the first movie is quite excellent. I could hope the reboot would capitalize on the movie and some of the strengths of the show, without having any of the many weaknesses the series has revealed.
If the reboot is going to work, they have to go with the less is more mantra. They don't need to explain everything, and usually make things worse than they do. The main thing they need is an interesting main for MacLeod and a good villain. If the characters are good, you don't need everything explained.
It's possible that this could be a good movie, but I'm not holding my breath. Hollywood today with a movie like this... is generally not good. They want to CGI it up and have some good fight scenes, but guys duking it out with swords is not the only thing that makes Highlander great (although it's certainly part of the fun). It's the world, the atmosphere, it's the quiet (and not so quiet scenes) examining morality, love, and loss.
After watching things like the Star Trek reboot, I'm certain that a decent set of hands can make it look good... for the substance part of things, I'm not so sure.
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Originally Posted by Lastjustice
The fighting was stiffer than Frankenstein and a robot in a dance contest.
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Yeah the fight between Connor and Slan Quince in the series pilot wasn't too good, but then Lambert is pretty much blind as a mole without corrective lenses (unless he recently had lasik or something). Adrian Paul doesn't suffer that limitation though, plus they had excellent sword trainers for the show.
Connor's fight with the Kurgan wasn't as bad though.
However last I read was that Adrian Paul has pretty much wrapped up his work on Highlander, except for maybe a cameo-guest appearance in a reboot I doubt we will see him again as Duncan Macleod.
Has anyone watched Highlander: The Raven?
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Pretty sure that was legally purged from ever being talked about. Lawyers may very well be on their way to harrass you as we speak.|
Originally Posted by KingPug
Has anyone watched Highlander: The Raven?
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Minus the bleached hair, she was a fun side character. And that's how it should have stayed.
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I have to disagree. Putting her in her own show had potential. It just failed to live up to any of it. I say this, as someone who loved staying up and watching some rather bad shows late at night, that got multiple seasons, which in prime time would of been cancelled.
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Originally Posted by VoodooCompany
Pretty sure that was legally purged from ever being talked about. Lawyers may very well be on their way to harrass you as we speak.
Minus the bleached hair, she was a fun side character. And that's how it should have stayed. |
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Originally Posted by KingPug
Has anyone watched Highlander: The Raven?
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Started off ok, then disintegrated fast. Nothing against the actress and her talents but the character of Amanda is more of a support character and cannot carry a series in my opinion. Also in the main Highlander series, despite being a talented thief/acrobat her skills with a sword in combat made me question just exactly how she lived for 1800 years.
Still she was Duncan's "catwoman" as it were in terms of being a thief/acrobat immortal who enjoyed being a criminal until Duncan and her feelings for him began to straighten her out.
Highlander remains one of my favourite films of all time. I also even enjoyed Endgame and generally enjoyed the series.
I can honestly say that I am more frightened than encouraged by talk of a reboot.
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I was more interested in seeing the Watchers show they originally wanted, focusing on Joe and Methos. but the idea of the Immortal thief did have some promise. the big problem came in when they shoehorned in the detective to have someone around so we'd constantly have the "will she reform for the mortal or wont she?" bull ****. there was probably way more wrong, but i stopped watching after three or four episodes, and havent watched them since their first run.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
I have to disagree. Putting her in her own show had potential. It just failed to live up to any of it. I say this, as someone who loved staying up and watching some rather bad shows late at night, that got multiple seasons, which in prime time would of been cancelled.
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Yeah, I wanted the Highlander: Methos Edition, to get kicked off, with or without the watchers. But it didn't happen :/ Amanda wouldn't have been my first choice, I just think the show could of made it with her, if the writing/what have you was just...better!
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Originally Posted by Veritech
I was more interested in seeing the Watchers show they originally wanted, focusing on Joe and Methos. but the idea of the Immortal thief did have some promise. the big problem came in when they shoehorned in the detective to have someone around so we'd constantly have the "will she reform for the mortal or wont she?" bull ****. there was probably way more wrong, but i stopped watching after three or four episodes, and havent watched them since their first run.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Yeah, I wanted the Highlander: Methos Edition, to get kicked off, with or without the watchers. But it didn't happen :/ Amanda wouldn't have been my first choice, I just think the show could of made it with her, if the writing/what have you was just...better!
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I don't generally "judge a book by it's cover", but take a gander at the "art" for the box of Season 1 of this. 'nuff said IMO
There was more than one season!?!?!?I wanted to like the show; more highlander "stuff", more Methos, more Watchers, and let's face it, more Amanda. But showcasing a series around a sidekick is hard to pull off.
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Originally Posted by VoodooCompany
You mean everything, right?
I don't generally "judge a book by it's cover", but take a gander at the "art" for the box of Season 1 of this. 'nuff said IMO There was more than one season!?!?!?I wanted to like the show; more highlander "stuff", more Methos, more Watchers, and let's face it, more Amanda. But showcasing a series around a sidekick is hard to pull off. |
Now if they could have given Methos his own series, THAT would have been far better. A 5000+ year old immortal has PLENTY of stories to tell and that series could have easily gone three seasons at least.
We could have seen more if his time as one of the horsemen, and the final rift that drove Methos away from them. Cassandra was the start of that, but I suspect there was more after that finally made Methos wake up.
Plus I liked that Methos doesn't actively hunt other immortals often and dodges battles. He prefers to live and no longer judges other immortals, of course he also knows that his time as a horseman of the apocalypse doesn't quite give him that right anyway. In the case of that "fatal attraction" character Kristen that Macleod refused to kill even though she was no match for him, Methos summed it up perfectly after he cut her down: "Someone had to". I also liked his response when she asked him who he was "A man who was born LONG before the age of chivalry!"
Had they not made what I thought was an instant "jump the shark" mistake of having Duncan kill Richie, Richie may have done well with his own show too.
Wha...What?!!? Duncan killed Richie?!?
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Originally Posted by ObiWan
Wha...What?!!? Duncan killed Richie?!?
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While it did give Duncan some character growth, there were better ways to achieve it.
Plot summary: every 1000 years a Zoastrian demon named Ariman arises to wage evil on Earth, and a chosen champion must face the demon and defeat it. This champion is always an immortal and is a new one each time.
In flashback we see Duncan meet a crazy hermit immortal in a cave who was the previous champion and could allegedly tell the future. This hermit warned him of the demon and that Duncan would be the next champion and that soon Duncan would meet Connor and learn of the game. This immortal then committed suicide by Macleod to pass his Quickening to Duncan.
Back in the present this demon is masquerading as James Horton and kills an archaeologist that seeks to warn Duncan of the demon. Duncan thinks Horton is alive until he rips open Horton's casket as it was being shipped stateside for re interment there per his daughter's wishes.
The demon begins to really screw with Duncan's head and Joe, Richie and Methos are reluctant to believe in demons despite the fact that immortals walk the Earth, go figure. In any event Richie puts his faith in Duncan and Duncan is led to a warehouse where the demon taunts him with visions of Kronos, Horton and Richie and gets Duncan quite confused as to what is real and what isn't as well as fighting mad. Then he sees what he thinks is another vision of Richie and rushes in for the kill. Only this Richie was the real Richie who wasn't seeing the same visions that Duncan was, and didn't have his guard up. Richie was cut down and Duncan received his quickening.
Joe and Methos were in shock and Duncan was horrified that he killed his student/friend and offered his sword to Methos in a gesture that basically meant "KILL ME!" Methos refused and Duncan left his sword and staggered away.
Season 6 starts and its one year later. Duncan was in a temple somewhere, refocusing himself, meditating and studying all the legends of the demon. He then returns to the fight and Joe is both glad and mad to see him as the Watchers lost track of Duncan all that time. Joe has Duncan's sword but he refuses it. Joe eventually believes Duncan and stands with him but this marks him as an ally of the champion and the demon targets Joe. Joe lives and Duncan eventually realizes after being nearly trapped psychically in the astral plane as it were by the demon that the only way to fight the demon is to basically accept the evil that the demon represents and to not fight him. The demon tries to goad Duncan but it doesn't work and the demon recedes for another 1000 years. Joe then again offers Duncan's sword to him telling him that Richie is avenged, that Duncan is a champion and that evil immortals are still out there, blah blah blah. Duncan reluctantly reclaims the katana.
Other episodes of Season 6 had minimal Duncan as they wanted to test new immortal characters for spin off purposes and Duncan was not willing to fight anymore and would only fight another immortal reluctantly.
The last episodes were a two parter. Stop if you've heard this before: villain of the week abducts Duncan's pals, Joe, and Amanda and demands Duncan surrender and die to save them. Duncan is willing to give up his life as he is sick of his friends being used as bait against him and remembers what happened to Richie. Methos tries to get Duncan motivated to fight but it doesn't work.
Hostages are released and before Duncan is whacked, Methos causes interference and they all flee, but Duncan takes a bullet and temporarily "dies". Only THIS time, as he is "dead", he is greeted by his dead immortal pal Hugh Fitzcairn (Roger Daltry of the WHO). Hugh was sent by the heavens to speak with Duncan and get him back into the game as he is needed, etc etc etc etc. So he shows Duncan what the world would be like if Duncan Macleod never existed.
1. Hugh would have been beheaded centuries ago.
2. Amanda would be a modern femme fatale killing for money, etc etc since there was no Duncan to be a moral compass for her.
3. Horton would totally corrupt the Watchers and oust Joe and turn the Watchers into hunters.
4. Amanda is cut down by the Hunters.
5. Methos in an attempt to fight the hunters basically turns evil again and teams with Kronos to fight them, they also have recently turned immortal Richie Ryan working with them. They train Richie and try to make him a killer.
6. Joe is a bum living the streets, helpless to stop the Watchers.
7. Tessa is seen living a life with a family but there is no passion in her life, no spontaneity, so though she has a family she is a bit miserable.
8. Richie is sent to kill Joe, but realizes Joe is innocent and can't do it.
9. Kronos and Methos take Richie somewhere to kill him. Richie begs Methos to spare him and says that they are friends. Methos responds "You're right, we are friends. GOODBYE FRIEND!" and cuts Richie down.
Duncan is furious and demands that Hugh who has been his tour guide on this "its a wonderful life" allow him to fight Methos. Hugh says it's up to the man upstairs and Duncan again DEMANDS the fight and he gets it.
Methos of course can't sense Duncan in this timeline as Duncan technically doesn't exist, but the fans get a decent Duncan/Methos fight and Duncan wins. As he goes for the kill, Methos asks who he is and Duncan responds "Ghost of Christmas past" and cuts him down. No quickening though and Hugh sends Duncan back to reality.
Duncan awakes and is a bit disoriented to be back in reality but recovers and faces the villain of the week and of course wins.
Series ends.
The death of Richie and Season 6 were definitely jump the shark
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As far as im concerned Highlander's continuity should have ended at the first film. Yes the series itself wasnt bad, but really should have been considered a prequel will all the series happening prior to the first movie and duncan being killed at the end so the first movie stood on its own. Then just forget everything that came after the movie.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Apparently it will be called Highlander: The Reckoning and it is a reboot film for old and new fans alike.
No official word on the overall plot and casting but it is a reboot. Given how the Highlander universe is currently a bit messed up from some lousy movie sequels, this is a time when I would support a reboot for this franchise more then others. Current Highlander continuity is: Original movie with retcon so that yes Connor kills Kurgan but it was not the final gathering, then comes the series, the comes Highlander 4: Endgame. Highlander 2, Highlander 3 are ignored and Highlander 5: the Source was worse then Highlander 2. |
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Well the initial plan for the series was that the protagonist was to be Connor Macleod. Lambert liked the idea of a TV series but didn't want to do TV himself and only agreed to be in the pilot episode to pass the torch and declined further episodes. Hence as the series progresses we only get the rare mention of Connor and Connor was even omitted from the flashback in the season 3 ep of the indian funeral pyre that he was in back in the pilot episode. (it was the episode where Duncan fought the immortal Kern).|
Originally Posted by QuiJon
As far as im concerned Highlander's continuity should have ended at the first film. Yes the series itself wasnt bad, but really should have been considered a prequel will all the series happening prior to the first movie and duncan being killed at the end so the first movie stood on its own. Then just forget everything that came after the movie.
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After Adrian Paul was cast, he suggested/requested that the series be altered so that the protagonist was Duncan Macleod, clansman of Connor. I think but can't recall for sure that his reason was that he didn't want to play Connor and always be compared to how Lambert played the part, but playing an all new Macleod would be better and the two characters could be compared more then the two actors.
The rest as they say....is history.
( And by extension, the fighting skills of all the Immortals whos Quickening he took.)
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