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Unless Lightning Storm works differently from other pseudo pet summon powers, the answer is no. It will get a chance to proc when you first summon it, then every 10 seconds. If it didn't work like that, then my Sleet would be checking for an Achilles' Heel proc 5 times per second. I could be wrong and I will test it to see if it procs in the middle of the 10 seconds. I'm pretty sure I already did test it.
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Sleet uses a toggle to attack, Lightning storm has an attack that it fires off, they are different.
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Originally Posted by Syntax42
Unless Lightning Storm works differently from other pseudo pet summon powers, the answer is no. It will get a chance to proc when you first summon it, then every 10 seconds. If it didn't work like that, then my Sleet would be checking for an Achilles' Heel proc 5 times per second. I could be wrong and I will test it to see if it procs in the middle of the 10 seconds. I'm pretty sure I already did test it.
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thought it was still was bugged and would trigger on the player if you put it in ls.
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^This. A lot of placables use a pseudopet with a PBAOE Toggle to fire off their attacks. In those cases the PROC will check every against everything in the AOE 10 seconds. Things like Rains, Bonfire and some mez patches do this.|
Originally Posted by Krogoth
Sleet uses a toggle to attack, Lightning storm has an attack that it fires off, they are different.
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However with some placeables the pseudopet fires off attacks instead and Lightning Storm falls into this bracket (along with things like Volcanic Gasses, although that's even slightly more complex as the Gas patch spawns Vent pets which fire off single target hold attacks every 6 seconds or so). This means it fires off with every attack.
Then you've got things like Spectral Terror which has a PBAOE fear and a direct fear attack. So it's got a chance of firing off with every single fear *and* every 10 seconds from the pbaoe.
So really it's down to how the power is coded and whether the effect is a PBAOE Aura type toggle or if the pseudopet involved is attacking directly.
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Since there's been a lot of noise in this thread, let me be clear that this is the correct answer. The proc will have a chance to fire on every enemy hit by Lightning Storm meaning that it could theoretically proc on all five enemies hit by a single strike. As with all powers, the proc checks separately for each enemy so if a strike hits multiple targets it could proc on just one of them.|
Originally Posted by Garent
Yes
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Also, the proc is currently bugged so there is also a chance that the proc will fire on you when you summon Lightning Storm. A minor hassle, but no reason to keep you from slotting the proc.
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Wow, a lack of uniformity in the pseudopet coding means a lot of procs could be exploitable. I'm going to have to look into a build that takes advantage of the aforementioned powers that have a chance to proc more often than they should.
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I don't think any of the pseudopets are proccing more often than they should. Even though a Lightning Storm proc'd out with the Force Feedback proc was insanely powerful, the bigger issue was the inherrited recharge from sets (leading to all pets no longer inheriting recharge) rather than the frequency of the FF proc firing. That's the only thing I can think of that could even come close to being called exploitable...and even that wasn't an exploit, it just wasn't WAI.|
Originally Posted by Syntax42
Wow, a lack of uniformity in the pseudopet coding means a lot of procs could be exploitable. I'm going to have to look into a build that takes advantage of the aforementioned powers that have a chance to proc more often than they should.
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It has long been common practice to slot LS with damage procs and chance to hold procs precisely because the frequency of a proc is higher when hitting 5 targets, but it's the same logic that makes slotting procs in AoE powers a good idea regardless.
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Poison Trap was one power where it was ridiculously broken, but that got fixed.|
Originally Posted by Draggynn
I don't think any of the pseudopets are proccing more often than they should. Even though a Lightning Storm proc'd out with the Force Feedback proc was insanely powerful, the bigger issue was the inherrited recharge from sets (leading to all pets no longer inheriting recharge) rather than the frequency of the FF proc firing. That's the only thing I can think of that could even come close to being called exploitable...and even that wasn't an exploit, it just wasn't WAI.
It has long been common practice to slot LS with damage procs and chance to hold procs precisely because the frequency of a proc is higher when hitting 5 targets, but it's the same logic that makes slotting procs in AoE powers a good idea regardless. |
Volcanic Gases, Spectral Terror and Carrion Creepers can also get a fair number of proc chances going, but not game-breakingly so. As can pets with attacks with secondary effects, like Fly Trap, Enforcers or Mercs, where a Touch of Lady Grey can go along with an Achilles Heel.
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Draggynn, your avatar looks so sad :C
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Volcanic Gases, Spectral Terror and Carrion Creepers can also get a fair number of proc chances going, but not game-breakingly so. As can pets with attacks with secondary effects, like Fly Trap, Enforcers or Mercs, where a Touch of Lady Grey can go along with an Achilles Heel.
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Case in point the Recharge nerf. I'd asked for ages whether or not this was intended behaviour. No comment from the devs until the day that damn thing went live.|
Originally Posted by Draggynn
Thank you. He was intended to look a little melancholy and I think Wassy did an excellent job of capturing that.
True, but I am unaware of any indication that these are not working as intended and could really be called, "exploitable". But then I suppose that depends on whether we are using the term exploit to mean break the game or simply, "take advantage of game mechanics". And just because we haven't heard anything, isn't always a clear indication of whether things are working as the devs intended. |
I have had Spectral Terror, Creepers and Gases slotted with damage PROCs in the past and they aren't spectacular or anything but it is nice. No nicer than having PROCs slotted in a Controllers AOE Immob really though, so yes, I'd be on the side of leveraging gaming mechanics as well.
Just to screw things up,,, what happens with a Force Feedback Proc in LS ?
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Originally Posted by Donna_
Just to screw things up,,, what happens with a Force Feedback Proc in LS ?
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Nothing. It's a pseudopet and thus ignores any sort of recharge buff from any source.
Used to be great though (as did a Forced Feedback in Phantasm).
When I had that proc in LS it would fire and damage me.
Is there a difference in the damage from LS if you are a Fender / Corr / Controller / MM ?
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There is. The defender version does more damage than the rest.
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Originally Posted by Donna_
Just to screw things up,,, what happens with a Force Feedback Proc in LS ?
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Nothing. It's a pseudopet and thus ignores any sort of recharge buff from any source.
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I really need to get that LS section of my guide done...**shakes fist at real life**
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sorry for the double post
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Yes, but it should also have fired on enemies, and that extra damage is worth the occasional personal hit in my book.|
Originally Posted by Exxcaliber
When I had that proc in LS it would fire and damage me.
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Originally Posted by Donna_
Is there a difference in the damage from LS if you are a Fender / Corr / Controller / MM ?
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Originally Posted by Garent
There is. The defender version does more damage than the rest.
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This thread had helped me loads so far, it's the Defender version I have, Storm/Ice/Elec and I have built the toon for crazy ammounts of recharge.. I have perma 3x LS atm, also if I am to slot the power for range does this increase the range of it's attacks or the range it is summoned from me?
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Range of the attacks. It always pops up over your head.
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Originally Posted by Donna_
This thread had helped me loads so far, it's the Defender version I have, Storm/Ice/Elec and I have built the toon for crazy ammounts of recharge.. I have perma 3x LS atm, also if I am to slot the power for range does this increase the range of it's attacks or the range it is summoned from me?
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Awh magic, that's what I was hoping for... |
Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Range of the attacks. It always pops up over your head.
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p.s - Hope im not hi-jacking this thread but I thought of another Storm fender question... Does the Immob from electric mastery negate the Kb from Tornado ?
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Yes it does. Strangely the Electric Control AoE immobilize does not, although their single target immobilize is electric fence and does. Electric Fence will also suppress Hurricane's knock back although not its repel.
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Originally Posted by Donna_
p.s - Hope im not hi-jacking this thread but I thought of another Storm fender question... Does the Immob from electric mastery negate the Kb from Tornado ?
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Not really a 'lack of uniformity' or even an exploit. Procs placed in click powers will simply check every time a it is used while there is a 10sec delay when the same proc is placed in an auto or toggle power.|
Originally Posted by Syntax42
Wow, a lack of uniformity in the pseudopet coding means a lot of procs could be exploitable. I'm going to have to look into a build that takes advantage of the aforementioned powers that have a chance to proc more often than they should.
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Just to clarify, the Sleet summon has 3 auto powers: an 'untouchable' auto, an 'avoid' auto and a cold dmg/-rech/-speed auto.
Conversely, the Lightning Storm summon has 4 powers: an 'untouchable' auto, a 'flight' auto, a 'self immobilize' auto and a 'Lightning' click attack.
If you're confused as to what or how procs will work in certain powers, you might want to check on Redtomax, read the description of the powers and, if you're still unsure, test it. Besides the outlier bugs like damage procs affecting the caster, procs are usually pretty consistent in their application.
If I place an Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative) in Lightning Storm will each and every blast from the cloud get the Chance to proc for the 107.09 Negative damage?
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Jak