How much could you gimp a build?
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Amy_Amp,
Posted on: 2011-02-26 06:05 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Well, the chance to stun in Stamina won't work - it was changed to never affect players, both to stop people from stunning themself like you suggested, and to stop griefing via Speed Boost stunning.
If you want a self-defeating character, roll an Energy/Dark brute or Dark/Energy tank, get your recharge as high as possible, stand in the middle of a huge group with Oppressive Gloom running, and Energy Transfer everything that gets in front of you.
@Roderick
Simple, controller, take taunt pool at 6, never train again.
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I think Group Fly would have to factor in. It's hard to beat for self-debuffing.
Petless Bots/FF Mastermind. All four travel pools.
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Make yourself an SD/Elec. Melee Tank and six slot Grant Cover with Defense/End. Reduction enhancements. Take Charged Brawl, Havoc Punch, Jacob's Ladder, Thunder Strike, and Lightning Rod, and six slot each with efficacy adapter and performance shifter. Go brag to all of your friends about your massive amounts of single target damage; and skimp out on Active Defense, Taunt, and Against All Odds for additional lulz.
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Thats a thought. I could see that being pretty gimped. I have a bots/ff and the attacks are very weak.
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Originally Posted by PunkRolex
Petless Bots/FF Mastermind. All four travel pools.
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With the bonus sprint powers that is a lot of slots.
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Originally Posted by Gearsinger
It would also help to put as many slots into sprints as possible.
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Ragequit: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Kinetic Melee
Secondary Power Set: Dark Armor
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Body Blow -- Stpfy-KB%(A), KntkC'bat-Knock%(3), Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(5), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(5), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(7), Stpfy-Stun/Rng(7)
Level 1: Dark Embrace -- S'fstPrt-ResKB(A), ImpSkn-Status(13), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(13), ImpArm-ResPsi(43)
Level 2: Smashing Blow -- Stpfy-KB%(A), KntkC'bat-Knock%(3), Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(9), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(9), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(11), Stpfy-Stun/Rng(11)
Level 4: Murky Cloud -- S'fstPrt-ResKB(A), ImpSkn-Status(15), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(15), ImpArm-ResPsi(43)
Level 6: Death Shroud -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(17), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(17), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 8: Repulsing Torrent -- KinCrsh-Dmg/KB(A), KinCrsh-Acc/KB(19), KinCrsh-Rchg/KB(23), KinCrsh-Rechg/EndRdx(23), KinCrsh-Dmg/EndRdx/KB(25), KinCrsh-Acc/Dmg/KB(25)
Level 10: Obsidian Shield -- S'fstPrt-ResKB(A), ImpSkn-Status(31), Aegis-Psi/Status(31), ImpArm-ResPsi(42)
Level 12: Confront -- Zinger-Taunt/Rng(A), Zinger-Dam%(31), Insult-Dsrnt%(33)
Level 14: Hover -- Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng(A), Zephyr-ResKB(40)
Level 16: Fly -- Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng(A), Zephyr-ResKB(40)
Level 18: Jump Kick -- KntkC'bat-Knock%(A), P'ngS'Fest-Stun%(19), KinCrsh-Dmg/KB(33), KinCrsh-Acc/KB(33), KinCrsh-Rchg/KB(34), KinCrsh-Acc/Dmg/KB(34)
Level 20: Group Fly -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(21), EndRdx-I(21)
Level 22: Combat Jumping -- Winter-ResSlow(A), Zephyr-ResKB(42)
Level 24: Aid Other -- Heal-I(A)
Level 26: Aid Self -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(27), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(27), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Dct'dW-Heal(29)
Level 28: Stealth -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 30: Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 32: Concentrated Strike -- Stpfy-KB%(A), KntkC'bat-Knock%(34), Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(36), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(37), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(37), Stpfy-Stun/Rng(37)
Level 35: Oppressive Gloom -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(36), Acc-I(36)
Level 38: Phase Shift -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(39), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 41: Focused Accuracy -- ToHit-I(A), ToHit-I(42)
Level 44: Laser Beam Eyes -- AnWeak-DefDeb(A), AnWeak-Acc/DefDeb(45), AnWeak-Acc/Rchg(45), AnWeak-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(45), AnWeak-Acc/Rchg/EndRdx(46), AnWeak-%ToHit(46)
Level 47: Energy Torrent -- Ragnrk-Knock%(A), KinCrsh-Dmg/KB(48), KinCrsh-Acc/KB(48), KinCrsh-Rchg/KB(48), KinCrsh-Rechg/EndRdx(50), KinCrsh-Acc/Dmg/KB(50)
Level 49: Acrobatics -- KBDist-I(A), KBDist-I(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Heal-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), EndMod-I(39), EndMod-I(40)
Definitely the wrong IOs.
I don't have mids but:
Energy Melee/Energy Armor Stalker:
1. Energy Punch: Stagger Stun/Range, Stun/Endred, RazzleDazzle Stun/Range, Chance to immobilize, RopeaDope Stun/Range
2. Hide: Serendipity End Red, Red Fortune End Red, Luck of the Gambler End Red/Recharge
3. Bone Smasher: Absolute Amazement Chance to tohit debuff (note this is bugged and never triggers in any power ever), Kinetic Combat chance to knockdown, Stagger Stun/Range, RazzleDazzle Stun/Range, RopeaDope Stun/Range, Stupefy Stun/Range
4. Kinetic Shield: Serendipity End Red, Red Fortune End Red, Luck of the Gambler End Red/Recharge, Gift of the Ancients End Red/Rech
5. Power Shield: Serendipity End Red, Red Fortune End Red, Luck of the Gambler End Red/Recharge, Gift of the Ancients End Red/Rech
6. Assassin's Strike: Pounding Slugfest Disorient, Kinetic Combat Knockdown, Focussed Smite Acc/End/Rech, Mako Acc/End/Rech, Common IO EndRed, Common IO Rech
7. Buildup: Rectified Reticle Increased Perception, Common IO EndRedx2
8. Entropy Shield: Serendipity End Red, Red Fortune End Red, EndRed/Rech, Luck of the Gambler End Red/Recharge, Gift of the Ancients End Red/Rech
9. Placate: Common IO Rangex2
10. Energy Protection: Serendipity End Red, Red Fortune End Red, EndRed/Rech, Luck of the Gambler End Red/Recharge, Gift of the Ancients End Red/Rech
11. Hover: Kismet Accuracy, Serendipity EndRed
12. Fly: Soaring EndRed, Freebird: Stealth, CommonIO: EndRed
13. Haste: CommonIO Rechx2
14. Maneuvers: Serendipity End Red, Red Fortune End Red, Luck of the Gambler End Red/Recharge
15. Energy Transfer: Pounding Slugfest Disorient, Kinetic Combat Knockdown, Focussed Smite Acc/End/Rech, Mako Acc/End/Rech, Common IO EndRed, Common IO Rech
16. Energy Drain: Energy Manipulator chance to stun, Harmonized Healing: Heal/End, Regenerative tissue: +regen
17. Assault: CommonIO Rechargex2
18. Total Focus: Kinetic Combat chance to knockdown, Stagger Stun/Range, RazzleDazzle Stun/Range, RopeaDope Stun/Range, Stupefy Stun/Range, chance to knockback
19. Tactics: Adjusted Targetting Recharge, Gaussian's Recharge, Common IO Recharge
20. SuperSpeed: CommonIO endredx3
21. Vengeance: Karma -kb, Serendipity Endred
22. Dark Blast: Entropic Chaos chance to heal, Discouraging Words (Full set), Dark Watcher's despair chance for recharge slow, deflated ego recovery debuff
23. Shadow Meld: Serendipity End Red, Red Fortune End Red, Luck of the Gambler End Red/Recharge
24. Summon Widow: Discouraging Words (full set), Dark Watcher's despair chance for recharge slow,
Health: Triage End/rech
Stamina: Performance Shifter Acc/Rech
A note about hover: The kismet only gives the bonus to hit if hover is turned on (I have a scrapper I made this mistake on) and hover has a bug/feature where it stops you outside of melee range of enemies if you try to follow/goto. Very frustrating.
I'm not sure if this is actually worse than blank slotting. But it is pretty close.
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Doesn't work anymore, but EM/Regen before they changed MoG. Reduces your health to 25% and kept on spamming Energy Transfer would get you to commit suicide.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
Peacebringer. It comes gimped right out of the box 
...What?
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Bah.|
Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
Peacebringer. It comes gimped right out of the box
...What? |
Khelds are quite powerful at lower levels. Fly/teleport at lvl 1. Nova at lvl 6.
It is at 50 that people think they dont stand up not leveling up.
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I am an impatient man, but even I can wait the 20 minutes it takes to get to lvl 6 and fly/teleport and superjump.|
Originally Posted by _Zep_
Bah.
Khelds are quite powerful at lower levels. Fly/teleport at lvl 1. Nova at lvl 6. It is at 50 that people think they dont stand up not leveling up. |
This people dosen't think they are worth leveling up period. All power to folks that do, just can't myself.
Peacebringers rock.
As for gimped:
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Gimped: Level 50 Natural Controller
Primary Power Set: Illusion Control
Secondary Power Set: Sonic Resonance
Power Pool: Concealment
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Presence
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Primal Forces Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Blind -- Sleep(A), Sleep(39), Sleep(39)
Level 1: Sonic Siphon -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(39), EndRdx(40)
Level 2: Sonic Barrier -- Range(A), Range(3), Range(3), EndRdx(34)
Level 4: Sonic Haven -- Range(A), Range(5), Range(5), EndRdx(37)
Level 6: Stealth -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(7), RechRdx(7), EndRdx(40), EndRdx(40)
Level 8: Superior Invisibility -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(9), RechRdx(9), EndRdx(46)
Level 10: Sonic Cage -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(11), EndRdx(11), RechRdx(46)
Level 12: Group Invisibility -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(13), EndRdx(13)
Level 14: Grant Invisibility -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(15), EndRdx(15), Range(43)
Level 16: Invisibility -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(17), RechRdx(17)
Level 18: Jump Kick -- KBDist(A), EndRdx(19), EndRdx(19)
Level 20: Provoke -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(21), RechRdx(21)
Level 22: Challenge -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(23), RechRdx(23)
Level 24: Phase Shift -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(25), EndRdx(25)
Level 26: Intimidate -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(27), EndRdx(27)
Level 28: Sonic Repulsion -- KBDist(A), KBDist(29), KBDist(29)
Level 30: Invoke Panic -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(31), EndRdx(31), RechRdx(31)
Level 32: Flurry -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(33), EndRdx(33), Dsrnt(33), Dsrnt(34), Dsrnt(34)
Level 35: Clarity -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(36), EndRdx(36), RechRdx(36), RechRdx(37), RechRdx(37)
Level 38: Hasten -- Empty(A)
Level 41: Whirlwind -- KBDist(A), KBDist(42), KBDist(42), EndRdx(42), EndRdx(43), EndRdx(43)
Level 44: Combat Jumping -- Jump(A), Jump(45), Jump(45), EndRdx(45), EndRdx(46)
Level 47: Conserve Power -- RechRdx(A), EndRdx(48), EndRdx(48), EndRdx(48)
Level 49: Temp Invulnerability -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(50), EndRdx(50), RechRdx(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Flight(A)
Level 2: Health -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
... of course, you could also leave all the slots empty, too.
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Dunno, I think I did a little better gimping my stalker. Putting end reduction into power that have no endurance cost and recharge reduction on toggles and other modifiers that add no effect at all. So the slots are filled but for no game effect. At least yours gets to benefit from the end reduction. Both are totally lacking in accuracy which is key to a gimp build I think.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Peacebringers rock.
<< Snip >> ... of course, you could also leave all the slots empty, too. |
We should level pact =)
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If you are going to make a gimped build, you don't put any enhancements into anything.
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What some of the other posters in this thread seem to be overlooking is that the proposal is to make good power and slot placement choices and then use sets that harm the character's performance. In my opinion the only way to do that and make the character perform worse than using nothing or regular IOs and Sos is to pick a build that has a focus on melee combat with multiple powers that cause knockback and then slot knockback sets wherever possible. i think i could still make it work well on most maps, but it would arguably be worse than no slotting at all.
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Originally Posted by _Zep_
I am talking about things like putting the energy manipulator chance to stun in stamina kinda thing.
Take an AT, pick the appropriate number or slots for each ability, take good abilities and then pick IO's that just wont get the job done. How well could one design a character to disable and defeat itself. |
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From what I can tell most of the ability to kill yourself has been removed. Burn sometimes gets a bug where you damage yourself. But all other implementations I know of are removed. There's a few cases where you can give endurance to the enemy by slotting performance shifter into an attack, but I don't know of any where you can heal them (panacea proc in siphon life maybe?). And you certainly can't kill yourself or your allies.|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
What some of the other posters in this thread seem to be overlooking is that the proposal is to make good power and slot placement choices and then use sets that harm the character's performance. In my opinion the only way to do that and make the character perform worse than using nothing or regular IOs and Sos is to pick a build that has a focus on melee combat with multiple powers that cause knockback and then slot knockback sets wherever possible. i think i could still make it work well on most maps, but it would arguably be worse than no slotting at all.
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Which leaves you trying to find a way to impair things. I agree knock is a good one. And in that case the ideal candidate may actually be a peacebringer because they take knock in most powers.
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Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
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Probably a human/dwarf build with a focus on the melee attacks; that's the ticket!
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
From what I can tell most of the ability to kill yourself has been removed. Burn sometimes gets a bug where you damage yourself. But all other implementations I know of are removed. There's a few cases where you can give endurance to the enemy by slotting performance shifter into an attack, but I don't know of any where you can heal them (panacea proc in siphon life maybe?). And you certainly can't kill yourself or your allies.
Which leaves you trying to find a way to impair things. I agree knock is a good one. And in that case the ideal candidate may actually be a peacebringer because they take knock in most powers. |
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
What some of the other posters in this thread seem to be overlooking is that the proposal is to make good power and slot placement choices and then use sets that harm the character's performance. In my opinion the only way to do that and make the character perform worse than using nothing or regular IOs and Sos is to pick a build that has a focus on melee combat with multiple powers that cause knockback and then slot knockback sets wherever possible. i think i could still make it work well on most maps, but it would arguably be worse than no slotting at all.
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I am enjoying seeing all the builds though.
The SO one amused me quite a bit. It made me wonder if any had actually done that, like for real, not knowing better and then gotten frustrated because the game is too hard.
The other posted builds have been wonderful too.
The idea about feeding mobs endurance didn't occur to me.
So, I wonder
how much endurance could you send to the wrong place with electric control / kinetics? I think /kin is designed to use the end mod right though.How about a dominator..... Electric control / electric blasts..... Hmmm I need to go load up mids.
Everyone knows that Elec/Elec dominator is about sapping, right?
This isnt exactly the power/slot assignments I would make for a 'real' character, however, I also think just by changing the content of the slots without changing the powers or moving a slot the character could go from total gimp to reasonable effective solo and teamed.
Ah and for the Alpha, Spiritual.
I wish there was a 'test' room, maybe part of AE, where you can make and try test builds and see what this guy could do to a team.
Maybe someone on the Dev team has the time?
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Cyclic Entropy: Level 50 Magic Dominator
Primary Power Set: Electric Control
Secondary Power Set: Electricity Assault
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Psionic Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Tesla Cage -- Dev'n-Acc/Dmg(A), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Dev'n-Dmg/Rchg(21), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), Dev'n-Hold%(34), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 1: Charged Bolts -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(3), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(19), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(37)
Level 2: Chain Fences -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(5), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(19), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(40), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(40), P'Shift-EndMod(48)
Level 4: Lightning Bolt -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(5), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(37)
Level 6: Jolting Chain -- ExStrk-Dam%(A), ExStrk-Acc/KB(7), ExStrk-Dmg/KB(7), P'Shift-End%(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(34), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(34)
Level 8: Conductive Aura -- RgnTis-Regen+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(9), Mrcl-Rcvry+(9), P'Shift-End%(33), RechRdx-I(33), RechRdx-I(33)
Level 10: Aid Other -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 12: Static Field -- P'ngTtl-Rng/Slow(A), P'ngTtl-Acc/EndRdx(13), P'ngTtl--Rchg%(13), P'ngTtl-Dmg/Slow(31), P'ngTtl-Acc/Slow(42), P'ngTtl-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow(43)
Level 14: Aid Self -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(15), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 16: Build Up -- EncAcc-ToHit(A), EncAcc-ToHit/Rchg(17), EncAcc-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(17)
Level 18: Maneuvers -- GftotA-Run+(A)
Level 20: Assault -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 22: Tactics -- AdjTgt-Rchg(A)
Level 24: Zapp -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(25), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(25), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(43)
Level 26: Synaptic Overload -- Bfdlng-Acc/Rchg(A), Bfdlng-EndRdx/Conf(27), Bfdlng-Acc/EndRdx(27), Bfdlng-Acc/Conf/Rchg(43)
Level 28: Static Discharge -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(29), RechRdx-I(29), EndMod-I(37)
Level 30: Stealth -- SW-ResDam/Re TP(A), Krma-Def/EndRdx(31), Krma-Def/Rchg(31)
Level 32: Grant Invisibility -- GftotA-Run+(A), GftotA-Def/Rchg(40)
Level 35: Gremlins -- ExRmnt-+Res(Pets)(A), C'Arms-+Def(Pets)(36), SvgnRt-PetResDam(36), CmdPres-PetRes(36)
Level 38: Voltaic Sentinel -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(39), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(39), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(39)
Level 41: Indomitable Will -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 44: World of Confusion -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(45), RechRdx-I(45), EndRdx-I(45), EndRdx-I(46), EndRdx-I(46)
Level 47: Mind Over Body -- Aegis-Psi/Status(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(48), ImpSkn-EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 49: Psionic Tornado -- ExStrk-Dam%(A), ExStrk-Acc/KB(50), ExStrk-Dmg/KB(50), VoVelo-Rchg/KB(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Domination
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Flight(A)
Level 2: Health -- Panac-EndRdx/Rchg(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
I am talking about things like putting the energy manipulator chance to stun in stamina kinda thing.
Take an AT, pick the appropriate number or slots for each ability, take good abilities and then pick IO's that just wont get the job done.
How well could one design a character to disable and defeat itself.