Roger Ebert's new prosthetic face


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o.o


 

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Yeah, that's a big improvement. Still wouldn't recognise him though, without a caption for the pic.


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Older article from Esquire, with pictures of his real face.

Ebert's blog entry talking about his new chin, the link to got banned from his Facebook page for "abusive content."


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I can't believe this guy is getting a new show.

Honestly I've always felt he was pretentious and rather "holier than thou" even for a professional critic but as he's gotten older I feel like he just goes farther and farther into left field with this sort of assumed moral superiority and acting like a general know it all.

His little "I'd rather be called the N-word, than a Slave" thing being the most recent example.

But hell I read his review of Kick *** and a large chunk of it was a tirade about violence in schools and all this other stuff. I wanted a movie review not Roger Ebert's opinions on the ills of society.

/rant off

The new prosthetic looks good though, good for him.


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I can't believe this guy is getting a new show.
He's not, really, since he can't speak. Werner Herzog is going to read his review at the end o the episode.

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Honestly I've always felt he was pretentious and rather "holier than thou" even for a professional critic but as he's gotten older I feel like he just goes farther and farther into left field with this sort of assumed moral superiority and acting like a general know it all.
Which is kind of a critic's job. I disagree with most of his reviews (he hated A Few Good Men and Die Hard... wth Roger?) but he's the only mainstream reviewer that is a fan of science fiction.

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His little "I'd rather be called the N-word, than a Slave" thing being the most recent example.
His wife is black, so he's overly sensitive about things on that topic.


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I can't believe this guy is getting a new show.

Honestly I've always felt he was pretentious and rather "holier than thou" even for a professional critic but as he's gotten older I feel like he just goes farther and farther into left field with this sort of assumed moral superiority and acting like a general know it all.

His little "I'd rather be called the N-word, than a Slave" thing being the most recent example.

But hell I read his review of Kick *** and a large chunk of it was a tirade about violence in schools and all this other stuff. I wanted a movie review not Roger Ebert's opinions on the ills of society.

/rant off

The new prosthetic looks good though, good for him.
I do want to kick some people... Twitter and Facebook are not good venues for ideas that require nuance, which Ebert's statement required. He was making a stand against censorship in one part, and pointing out that bigotry exists but is better than slavery on the other. Neither of which easily come across in a tweet. If he'd put out an essay on the subject (as he has been known to do - reference his "Why video games will never be art") I think that his point would have come across better and less offensively. You can disagree with his conclusions, but he usually makes a valid argument, and I suspect he would have in this case.

Ebert does great reviews. I don't always agree with him, but I can usually tell whether I will like a movie based on his reviews.

And, unlike some reviewers, he is candid about why he doesn't care for some movies - he will reference news stories or political issues when talking about his view of a movie. His viewings don't occur in a vacuum, and he admits it.


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As far as movie critics go, Ebert is one of the few I admire and like. I don't always agree with him, but he usually has a better idea of what he's talking about than some other critics I've observed.


 

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He's not, really, since he can't speak. Werner Herzog is going to read his review at the end o the episode.
Okay, so this I didn't understand.

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Which is kind of a critic's job. I disagree with most of his reviews (he hated A Few Good Men and Die Hard... wth Roger?) but he's the only mainstream reviewer that is a fan of science fiction.
A critic's job is to criticize something, usually in the field they have some expertise in. As far as movie critics go, Ebert is as about as expert as anyone gets. He certainly understands movies and film on a deep level and is certainly the most accomplished movie critic perhaps of all time. I can say that even though I almost never agree with his takes on movies.

However I don't think it's a movie critics job to start lacing his reviews of movies with lectures on what's wrong with our society. It's not needed from a critic, write that in an essay not in your review.

I also don't think it's a critics job to start going all over the place offering his opinion on topics he isn't nearly as well versed in, especially when no one asked his opinion.

I don't think it's a critics job to start taking dumps on other forms of media he knows little about IE "Video games will never be art."

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His wife is black, so he's overly sensitive about things on that topic.
Okay, but his response wasn't about racism, it was about censorship, and that his wife is black makes it all the more assanine that he, an over privledged, well educated WHITE MALE, (Capitalized since way back when they were the only ones with right in this country.) should say something as insensitive as "I'd rather be called an (N-word) than a slave."

No one asked if he would rather be called one or another, and he would never be called either in this country. If he wants to comment about censorship sure, but this comment was just another symptom of Ebert deciding some where along the way that he was the authority on just about everything.


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I do want to kick some people... Twitter and Facebook are not good venues for ideas that require nuance, which Ebert's statement required. He was making a stand against censorship in one part, and pointing out that bigotry exists but is better than slavery on the other. Neither of which easily come across in a tweet. If he'd put out an essay on the subject (as he has been known to do - reference his "Why video games will never be art") I think that his point would have come across better and less offensively. You can disagree with his conclusions, but he usually makes a valid argument, and I suspect he would have in this case.

Ebert does great reviews. I don't always agree with him, but I can usually tell whether I will like a movie based on his reviews.

And, unlike some reviewers, he is candid about why he doesn't care for some movies - he will reference news stories or political issues when talking about his view of a movie. His viewings don't occur in a vacuum, and he admits it.
That was why I always liked Siskel and Ebert reviews. They explained them and once I got to know them then I'd know if I would like a movie based on their feedback about it. It got somewhat uncomfortable a few times when they disagreed strongly but it was always helpful for me to know if I'd want to see a movie or not.

Like when they both would go on about the artistry of a film, I knew I wouldn't be wanting to see it.


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Okay, but his response wasn't about racism, it was about censorship, and that his wife is black makes it all the more assanine that he, an over privledged, well educated WHITE MALE, (Capitalized since way back when they were the only ones with right in this country.) should say something as insensitive as "I'd rather be called an (N-word) than a slave."

No one asked if he would rather be called one or another, and he would never be called either in this country. If he wants to comment about censorship sure, but this comment was just another symptom of Ebert deciding some where along the way that he was the authority on just about everything.
I don't give two farts about this guy, but I had never heard of him using the Nword before, but 2 minutes on Google revealed that statement came out a discussion about Mark Twain. You could have mentioned that in your original statement, instead of just hanging words out there and painting him as a racist.

Race relations in this country aren't great. Being insensitive is not the same as being racist. The constant push in this country to define these two separate things as the same, is not helping race relations at all.


 

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I don't give two farts about this guy, but I had never heard of him using the Nword before, but 2 minutes on Google revealed that statement came out a discussion about Mark Twain. You could have mentioned that in your original statement, instead of just hanging words out there and painting him as a racist.
Since that topic of changing the words in Huck Finn has dominated recent news, I just assumed that's what the reference was.


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I don't give two farts about this guy, but I had never heard of him using the Nword before, but 2 minutes on Google revealed that statement came out a discussion about Mark Twain. You could have mentioned that in your original statement, instead of just hanging words out there and painting him as a racist.
Please show me where I called him a racist...

I didn't. I don't think he is a racist I'm well aware that his wife is black, it'd be really hard to argue him as a racist. I did say it was a dumb thing to say and it was. It'd be like me going on twitter and commenting about censorship in a popular latin-american novel by saying "I'd rather be called a "racial slur" than an "more offensive racial slur."

I'm white, I've never been called latin american racial slurs and if I did it'd have no affect on me, so going around saying something like that would be dumb.

It's not that Ebert's message was nuanced and people over reacted, it's that it was a dumb statement to make for a wealthy white guy. He has never been seriously called an "-n-word" nor a slave, and he would never be called those things. His statement was dumb, no one asked him and if he really just had to comment on censor ship in a book because he feels the narcissistic need to tell the world what he, a professional film critic, thinks about everything else, he could have chosen a less completely moronic way of saying it.


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Please show me where I called him a racist...

I didn't. I don't think he is a racist I'm well aware that his wife is black, it'd be really hard to argue him as a racist. I did say it was a dumb thing to say and it was. It'd be like me going on twitter and commenting about censorship in a popular latin-american novel by saying "I'd rather be called a "racial slur" than an "more offensive racial slur."

I'm white, I've never been called latin american racial slurs and if I did it'd have no affect on me, so going around saying something like that would be dumb.

It's not that Ebert's message was nuanced and people over reacted, it's that it was a dumb statement to make for a wealthy white guy. He has never been seriously called an "-n-word" nor a slave, and he would never be called those things. His statement was dumb, no one asked him and if he really just had to comment on censor ship in a book because he feels the narcissistic need to tell the world what he, a professional film critic, thinks about everything else, he could have chosen a less completely moronic way of saying it.
I think Warden was actually calling you out on not giving *context* for Ebert's statement.

I got it, because I read a news story about it. Not everyone did, and "Roger Ebert said WHAT on Twitter!?!?" would be an understandable reaction for someone who didn't have the context. On the face of it, it certainly looks like a racist statement by Ebert, and it could be incorrectly inferred that you were referring to Ebert as such.

As to the rest: It doesn't matter if anyone asked his opinion on censorship, he's free to offer it, and whatever opinions he has, whenever he wants. You can call it narcissism, go ahead.

In my opinion, and that's the opinion of someone who used to do the occasional bit of academic film criticism for the sheer fun of it - a critic with a basic familiarity with the medium is easily able to cross between theater, film, and literature; and probably to comic books and video games as well. (Incidentally, that is why Ebert cannot view games as art: he just doesn't have the basic familiarity with the medium.) Issues of censorship have had an impact across all of those media, and it is utterly appropriate for any number of people to comment on censorship in any sort of media. It is perfectly sensible for someone who makes their living by associating with the arts - and that includes film - to have strong opinions on the matter of censorship.

(I have already made my opinion known on Ebert's statement - he could have done it better, and Twitter and Facebook are horrible means for communicating nuanced views, and I wish that more public figures knew that.)


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lets just drop it. Some celebrity used the word on the internet and now people who don't even know the guy in real life feel they have to defend themselves against being perceived as racist. I should have keep me mouth shut since all I did was add fuel to the fire.

Gangsta rap and the internet have given that word to much power.