A Waste of Shards?


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Odd, I certainly feel like I am getting hit less.


 

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You know, I would think, if a DM/SD is finding they are often Defense debuffed on an ITF (it can happen to Shields and SRs), it MIGHT be worthwhile to slot the NERVE boost for a little added to defense will make a difference. I think it would depend on the build if the Spiritual is of more use.

I've skipped Cardiac on my DB/WP as I find it's just not useful, however, I've switched between Nerve and Spiritual.


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Another thing to bear in mind about Nerve is that its defense enhancement aspect is going to be more useful to builds that get more of their +def from enhanceable powers. If you're something like Shields, Ninjitsu or especially SR, the vast majority of your +def is from slottable powers. That gives you a bigger lever for Nerve to pry on. Most of my characters are lucky if they can scrape up 10% defense from things that you can actually enhance. The rest comes from set bonuses. That means that Nerve is going to give me a couple of points of defense at the very most on characters who usually aren't that close to the softcap.

Now, I'm one of the first people to point out that a couple of percent +Defense in the 35%+ range can actually work out to a nice bit of added average mitigation. However, when these are characters who get things like big DPS boosts out of the +recharge of Spiritual, or suddenly can run attack chains forever without help, that's a big deal to me too.

I don't think anyone's saying Nerve is useless. It's useful on the right characters. I don't have anyone who's 50 and has high enough enhanceable defense for it to be right for me, and I sure as heck don't have anyone who is low on accuracy. So for me, my situational benefit leans away from Nerve. I think it does for a lot of builds. I wish its primary attribute was something besides accuracy, but that would throw the whole arrangement out of its current kilter, and I like the other three Alphas a lot.


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Having only glanced past the thread, Nerve might help soft cap and provide help agianst defense debuffs.

My Shield Defense toon, however, is getting Cardiac Core beause A) She runs a lot of toggles and the extra end red is welcome and B) it gives a boost to resistance.

Remember, Deflection and True Grit together, unslotted, offer 15% resistance to everything not Psionic. Plus One With The Shield gives your Resistance another heavy boost.

And unlike Nerve, which in the end only 3/4 will ignore ED, Cardiac is libale to grant the full boost since your likely to have a defense set in Deflection, and if your like me, True Grit is slotted with Numia and Miricle Procs with the Heal + Steadfast +3% + Numia Heal/End for set bonus, and even if your not your liable to have it underslotted for Resistance. That's an extra boost to resistance which helps when you take the odd hit here and there.


 

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Why would you slot True Grit like that? You'd be much better off slotting it for +heal and getting the +hit points from it.


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Originally Posted by DoctorWhat View Post
Having only glanced past the thread, Nerve might help soft cap and provide help agianst defense debuffs.
My preferred method of dealing with defense debuffs is to have defense debuff resistance. Shield Defense can easily hit 90% on a Scrapper, which is high enough to ignore debuffs.


 

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Uberguy already said it, but to reinforce:

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This is a misapprehension of what the soft cap means. The soft cap is relative to level and rank: the 45% soft cap is relative to even-con minions. Higher conning enemies have an accuracy bonus (see the ParagonWiki article on attack mechanics), as do higher-ranking enemies like LTs and bosses.

This means that if you're fighting level 54 bosses and AVs -- which you find in the Tin Mage and Apex TFs -- you want to exceed the even-con minion soft cap.
This is absolutely, specifically, and technically wrong, especially in the way you're using it. There is no benefit whatsoever to exceeding the soft cap...for any character...ever...except for a buffer against being debuffed. The soft cap is such a useful concept BECAUSE this is true. Furthermore, all early discussions of the concept, during which the term "soft cap" became popularized, explicitly established this.

Sorry to be so forceful, but I see this pop up from time to time and it's very likely to confuse people about an already-established and well-understood principle of game mechanics.


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my only issue with the Alpha Slot is that the combination of boosts are just useless on some toons. I think a better attempt would have been to make them AT specific instead of broad and general boosts to everyone.

I made 1 of each common and I have the Acc/Hold one. I am working on Endo/Range and Dmg/Stun


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I think alot of people are missing the point of the alpha slot. Its not to make you that much stronger by building on your strengths directly but to do that indirectly. Instead of ED capping yourself stop short of 1 slot if you can on a few powers. Allow the alpha slot to make up the difference.
I'm of the opinion that this is build specific. Even a tier 2 alpha might be the difference between perma PA and not perma PA, and I KNOW it makes the difference between my electric tanker capping SL and missing the cap by over 4%.

We all know how big a deal that can potentially be, and in the case of my character, it made a significant difference.

I'd imagine a lot of fire and dark tankers could end up in the same boat.


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I'm sitting on 195 Incarnate Shards and 33 Common Components right now, and I'm sure there are people out there that have a metric ton more than I do.

Yet some people seem to do a double take when I mention my total.
Ok, screw pride. I have to ask. What in the world are you fighting or am I just doing something wrong? You have more common components than I have had shards drop across running three 50s daily.


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Ok, screw pride. I have to ask. What in the world are you fighting or am I just doing something wrong? You have more common components than I have had shards drop across running three 50s daily.
I've been doing my favored activity - Taskforces with my buddies!

Honestly, I haven't been playing as much as I could have. I'm over 200 Incarnate Shards now, but I suspect if I was really going for it that I would have been at the 300 mark by now.


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I've been doing my favored activity - Taskforces with my buddies!

Honestly, I haven't been playing as much as I could have. I'm over 200 Incarnate Shards now, but I suspect if I was really going for it that I would have been at the 300 mark by now.
Do you get anything special for drops from task forces, or is it just that you and your buddies slam through a lot of content quickly and efficiently, and you're putting in the hours?

I don't have nearly as much as you, but Alexei has been "boss farming" the Storm Palace for his, and Turiel has simply been running alignment and other missions on +0x8 with bosses and AVs duoed with a Tanker. Rikti invasions seem to be particularly good for shard drops, and I suspect the drop rate is very high for elite bosses. I suspect it's even higher for archvillains, and Silver Mantis kindly dropped a shard for me. I don't know actual drop rates, though.


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Hm, if we're counting across all characters I have like... 350? That's six incarnated 50s, ranging from around 20-100 shards apiece, all with at least one uncommon crafted. Most of that is TFs, some of it is missions on high team size settings, and some of is Hami Raids. Hami Mitos also drop at a high rate; I probably trend towards four drops per raid, though I had an exceptionally nice one last week where I got eight. That's not including the four you can take as your reward, which I have not been doing.

I run a lot of TFs, so I almost never spend shards on common components. The only common component I craft outright is the one you get only from running the CoP.


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Do you get anything special for drops from task forces, or is it just that you and your buddies slam through a lot of content quickly and efficiently, and you're putting in the hours?

I don't have nearly as much as you, but Alexei has been "boss farming" the Storm Palace for his, and Turiel has simply been running alignment and other missions on +0x8 with bosses and AVs duoed with a Tanker. Rikti invasions seem to be particularly good for shard drops, and I suspect the drop rate is very high for elite bosses. I suspect it's even higher for archvillains, and Silver Mantis kindly dropped a shard for me. I don't know actual drop rates, though.
I haven't been doing any set teams or specific kinds of TF runs. It's all the level 50 TFs we do and the teams vary from pick-up-group where I might know one person or none at all to the night-owl crew that likes to play way too late. I've done speed runs, I've done shard runs, I've done in-between.

Just plain playing TFs with folks that want to, and having a blast punching stuff in the face.

Issue 19 has seriously put some spring in my step when playing this game and it's brought a lot more interest for doing TFs on my server Pinnacle, the only one I play on. I'm hoping for wild success on I20 once again.


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I haven't been doing any set teams or specific kinds of TF runs. It's all the level 50 TFs we do and the teams vary from pick-up-group where I might know one person or none at all to the night-owl crew that likes to play way too late. I've done speed runs, I've done shard runs, I've done in-between.

Just plain playing TFs with folks that want to, and having a blast punching stuff in the face.

Issue 19 has seriously put some spring in my step when playing this game and it's brought a lot more interest for doing TFs on my server Pinnacle, the only one I play on. I'm hoping for wild success on I20 once again.
OMGWTFBBQ You play on Pinnacle? @Arch.Gemini. I need to get in with your people, obviously. I am sure you will find me a very competent and fun teammate.


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OMGWTFBBQ You play on Pinnacle? @Arch.Gemini. I need to get in with your people, obviously. I am sure you will find me a very competent and fun teammate.
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Unfortunately I don't have easy access to my build right now, but I have the Nerve uncommon on my MA/SR.

He has all /SR toggles and passives slotted up to ED with defense, CJ also slotted for defense, and the Steadfast +Def in Tough. These, along with various set bonuses, gets him to slightly over 45% def in all three positions.

When I got and activated the Nerve uncommon, those numbers went up ~1.8%.

I don't think this would help much in the defense debuff department(I'm DDR capped anyway) and because I'm already softcapped, it's not helping me get hit much less, either. I'm sure using a Rare or Very Rare will bump that percentage up, since more of it ignores ED, but still...

Were I to make a new build and have it centered around using the Nerve uncommon exclusively, it could indeed be useful. But for a build that's already done and softcapped, I can't really see the big draw.


 

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Does the Nerve path defense bonus also boost Defense Debuff Resistance?
Specific toons I am thinking of would be x/SR any and Stone Tanks.

Jak


 

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Does the Nerve path defense bonus also boost Defense Debuff Resistance?
Specific toons I am thinking of would be x/SR any and Stone Tanks.

Jak
Powers that cannot be directly slotted with Defense will get no such benefit from the Alpha boost.


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Moreover, they are supposed to be specifically engineered to not buff things that current enhancers may buff by accident, such as how defense debuff enhancers will buff defense buffs. I'm not clear on the implications for powers that currently allow this, like SR's passives. As BA, said, even if it would work on SR's passives, it won't work on things that don't actually explicitly allow defense slotting.


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I've gone with Cardiac with my Fire/Shield and crafted the two uncommons to get ready for the eventual i20. I don't play as much as I would like to, but I still do ok with shards. Nowhere near BA's numbers though.


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...The only thing right now I dont like about the alpha slot is that it doesnt help all ATs the same. Its for the most part worthless on masterminds...
I dunno. Using Nerve Tier 1, seems my MM Thugs hit my enemies a good bit more often. Accuracy Bonuses would seem to benefit MMs better than other ATs, so Nerve actually provides a good benefit


 

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Moreover, they are supposed to be specifically engineered to not buff things that current enhancers may buff by accident, such as how defense debuff enhancers will buff defense buffs. I'm not clear on the implications for powers that currently allow this, like SR's passives. As BA, said, even if it would work on SR's passives, it won't work on things that don't actually explicitly allow defense slotting.
Well, the only way the Defense Debuff Enzymes Hami-O's enhance Defense powers, is because of the End Reduction Component of said Hami-O.

Any other Defense Debuff enhancement is limited to being put in actual Defense Debuff powers. Like the Defense Debuff IO sets.


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Originally Posted by Werner View Post
Do you get anything special for drops from task forces, or is it just that you and your buddies slam through a lot of content quickly and efficiently, and you're putting in the hours?
As far as I know TFs don't have increased drops or anything, it's just that you tend to end up fighting more Bosses/EBs/AVs which have quite a bit higher drop rates (the ITF in particular has a LOT of Bosses and EBs). Since shards are rolled for individually rather than being rolled for once and randomly distributed team play does tend to offer better shards/time simply because the kills/time is higher.


 

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Same. I'm expecting the very rare boosts to cost a ton of shards and components.
My guess is the next tier will cost two uncommons, one common unless they release "rare" components.

Anyways I don't think it's a waste at all. By choosing the nerve boost you may be able to free up another power or two. I picked up Nerve Radial on my DM/SR, this allowed me to drop the leadership pool and pick up the presence pool.


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