Blood of the Black Stream
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Posted on: 2010-12-30 23:55 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
It turned out that Streams can't be black, nor bleed. Therefore it's impossibility defied the laws of existance, causing a black hole to open up, quickly destroying all of the universe. Eventually, the stream got sucked up and destroyed, causing the black hole to stop. However, too much of the universe was already destroyed, so some survivors gathered up and tried to keep each other alive. The survivors set up a new universe, led by the great hero who saved them all that day, the Architect Studio Manager. The Studio Manager brought the universe back to its former glory, and he built a capital, Architectoria, which was secretly a dystopia. So, to keep the city in line, the Manager put some people in charge of keeping order, they were called Supergroup Registrars. Everything was perfect. However, it turns out that the Manager was Nemesis in disguise! So, Nemesis took over the universe, turning everyone into frogs. The Frog people eventually were driven to madness due to their new form, so they began to kill each other. Eventually, only 2 Frogs were alive, and they both killed each other at the same time, leaving no one alive left in the universe, allowing the universe to eventually come to an end, bringing all of existance to it's doom.
So overall, it was never developed.
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One of Emmert's pipe dreams.
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Originally Posted by That_Ninja
What ever happened to this villain group/EAT/idea or something? It seemed so interesting.
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I remember him announcing the idea, but the eye of horus oil spill and the mission allusions were after his departure.
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Originally Posted by Emberly
One of Emmert's pipe dreams.
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Originally Posted by That_Ninja
What ever happened to this villain group/EAT/idea or something?
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Which is unfortunate. From the allusions to them, and what I have read on the wiki it looked like it could be awesome.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Nothing has happened to it. At all. That's why you don't know anything about it.
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Eh,
Never understood how people latched onto his words with such anticipation. Nothing Jack ever said indicated that this was ever in any stage of development. Remember, even before launch, the CoH world had a huge "lore bible" written up to draw from.... stuff that hadn't even entered into the earliest napkin sketches of the development schedule for bringing it into the game, but it existed in record for people to refer to-- maybe slowly unveil---and possibly even bring into full light of the game over the years of development... or it could just stay a footnote in that lore bible as other more relevant aspects of the bible are prioritized.
When Jack first mentioned the Blood of the Black Stream, it was in the context of explaining how the game's "Epic" archetypes would be more tied into the overarching epic of the game's world. He then gave the names of a few possible examples as "teasers." In a funny way, these were probably given to curb expectations- to let people know that these wouldn't be vague powersets with no backstory that they can apply to whoever or whatever they want, but powersets that tightly fit a specific part of the game narrative. There was very little there to mistake for any sort of suggestion that they'd be coming... soon(tm) or otherwise. It was just a momentary peek that he allowed us into that big lore bible. Nothing more.
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Let me rephrase this: What ever happened to shape shifting idea and lore attached to it.
likely they just didnt get there yet, if they get there at all. its waiting in the wings with mot the sleeper, merluna, whatever lore was going to support the avilians, the whole arthurian fae subplot that pops up here and there with the pets, hero one and the unseelee court, whatever wade is going to do for rularru and the coming storm, and any of the other plot devices left open.
as for shapeshifting though, its on a kheldian, already ingame.was there ever a specific quote that suggested botbs were going to be villian exclusive? of the scant info we got, i dont recall that ever being brought up.
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And I didn't believe him for a second. If they had a "story bible," then the Khan TF would not have happened, the Council would have made sense, the Origin of Powers would not have been as inept and that's just off the top of my head.
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Originally Posted by Chase_Arcanum
Never understood how people latched onto his words with such anticipation. Nothing Jack ever said indicated that this was ever in any stage of development. Remember, even before launch, the CoH world had a huge "lore bible" written up to draw from.... stuff that hadn't even entered into the earliest napkin sketches of the development schedule for bringing it into the game, but it existed in record for people to refer to-- maybe slowly unveil---and possibly even bring into full light of the game over the years of development... or it could just stay a footnote in that lore bible as other more relevant aspects of the bible are prioritized.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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a story bible is a loose overview of the game world. how it was implemented by people who may not have adequately consulted it or maybe just didn't get the gist of the entry right is what you are taking issue with, different topics entirely.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
And I didn't believe him for a second. If they had a "story bible," then the Khan TF would not have happened, the Council would have made sense, the Origin of Powers would not have been as inept and that's just off the top of my head.
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Lore bible's no use if it's not reinforced/made mandatory. I'm with Sam, in that if this so-called "lore bible" exists at all, it's never actually consulted. Nothing should make it past the napkin idea stage without it being checked against any official source of game lore, and we all know that doesn't happen here.
I don't recall any of the details on this group at all, but I'd love to see some new elements added to the mix. A few weeks ago someone mentioned they are tired of reusing all the same big-name NPCs over and over again and while I'm not quite at that stage (because I enjoy the whole "alternate Earth" idea), I think it is played out. Going back to that particular well one more time would be too much. BBS and other enemy groups mentioned in passing throughout the years show up would be cool.
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Imagine if ya will the Blood of the Black Stream being about assassins, they don't have a uniform, instead they mingle within the crowd. They could strike at anytime without letting others know their identity. Out of nowhere we could have an Arch Nem type of Assassin on any given mission who would look like nothing but turn out to be a real adversary. Would bring some unpredictability to the game I thought.
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While I've never personally liked or trusted the big Council ret-con (I still have trouble looking at it as a takeover), what's wrong with the Khan TF? Other than I don't ever remember finding out how Reichsman got broken out of cryogenic storage in the Zig. Or however it was he was locked up >.>
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
And I didn't believe him for a second. If they had a "story bible," then the Khan TF would not have happened, the Council would have made sense, the Origin of Powers would not have been as inept and that's just off the top of my head.
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Originally Posted by Burning_Brawler_NA
Other than I don't ever remember finding out how Reichsman got broken out of cryogenic storage in the Zig. Or however it was he was locked up >.>
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
And I didn't believe him for a second. If they had a "story bible," then the Khan TF would not have happened, the Council would have made sense, the Origin of Powers would not have been as inept and that's just off the top of my head.
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Originally Posted by Chase_Arcanum
Eh,
Never understood how people latched onto his words with such anticipation. Nothing Jack ever said indicated that this was ever in any stage of development. Remember, even before launch, the CoH world had a huge "lore bible" written up to draw from.... stuff that hadn't even entered into the earliest napkin sketches of the development schedule for bringing it into the game, but it existed in record for people to refer to-- maybe slowly unveil---and possibly even bring into full light of the game over the years of development... or it could just stay a footnote in that lore bible as other more relevant aspects of the bible are prioritized. When Jack first mentioned the Blood of the Black Stream, it was in the context of explaining how the game's "Epic" archetypes would be more tied into the overarching epic of the game's world. He then gave the names of a few possible examples as "teasers." In a funny way, these were probably given to curb expectations- to let people know that these wouldn't be vague powersets with no backstory that they can apply to whoever or whatever they want, but powersets that tightly fit a specific part of the game narrative. There was very little there to mistake for any sort of suggestion that they'd be coming... soon(tm) or otherwise. It was just a momentary peek that he allowed us into that big lore bible. Nothing more. |
See that "EAT at WW's" in the sig? I tend to try to keep track of what happens with Epics. What we DO have about them is in there, as well as the (very) little about Coralax, and the confirmed dead EATs.
And "Lore bible" does not mean "We have every bit written up as it's going to be unveiled from now to I50, every bit of dialog, every interrelationship." Manticore, I believe, gave us a "peek" at it for one of the existing groups - it's rather sparse, but just given the number of groups (and how they've developed the storyline - I'm sure they have items in there about the unused groups that were listed in the early promo vid, even if it's just an entry) it would have to be "thick" (as much as a computer file/s could be.)
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y'see, it's more like a "Lore 3-ring Binder" than anything else.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
And I didn't believe him for a second. If they had a "story bible," then the Khan TF would not have happened, the Council would have made sense, the Origin of Powers would not have been as inept and that's just off the top of my head.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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As others have said, the bible doesn't have to be a verse by verse plan on where to go or what to do. It gives them the broad background of things to draw from. It serves as a reference point and broad roadmap, but only an idot would blindly adhere to it , never adapting to world events or player feedback.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
And I didn't believe him for a second. If they had a "story bible," then the Khan TF would not have happened, the Council would have made sense, the Origin of Powers would not have been as inept and that's just off the top of my head.
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Thanks. Those are exactly the kinds of things I was referring to when I referred to peeks into the bible, things to refer to, and a slow unveil. Great resource there too.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
You mean other than, oh, having more added into the game itself (references from Bocor, the "eye of Horus" by the tanker,) and having a player bio from a contest changed to match as well?
See that "EAT at WW's" in the sig? I tend to try to keep track of what happens with Epics. What we DO have about them is in there, as well as the (very) little about Coralax, and the confirmed dead EATs. And "Lore bible" does not mean "We have every bit written up as it's going to be unveiled from now to I50, every bit of dialog, every interrelationship." Manticore, I believe, gave us a "peek" at it for one of the existing groups - it's rather sparse, but just given the number of groups (and how they've developed the storyline - I'm sure they have items in there about the unused groups that were listed in the early promo vid, even if it's just an entry) it would have to be "thick" (as much as a computer file/s could be.) |
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I doubt the mechanics would work on this engine. Also, I would just play AC:B.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
Imagine if ya will the Blood of the Black Stream being about assassins, they don't have a uniform, instead they mingle within the crowd. They could strike at anytime without letting others know their identity. Out of nowhere we could have an Arch Nem type of Assassin on any given mission who would look like nothing but turn out to be a real adversary. Would bring some unpredictability to the game I thought.
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Is there anyone on the Dev team that was working here when the dev bible first got penned. The clues about the Blood of the Black Stream got added when Zeb Cook was lead devolper of CoV and his position got cut when NCsoft pulled funding for this game.
The Devs have some really good writers on the staff, who are coming up with some great stories. Stories that are shackled to what the game engine can handle. When Dr Aeon has a great idea for a story he has to force it to fit around the MA system. I think he and the others are doing a great job, and if something in the 10 year old story bible gets tossed in the trash I won't cry.
Take Avilans, anther promised EAT. This EAT idea was all connected to wings, and luckily the tech for wings could be applied to every player model. That was a great trade off for a lost story idea. Now players are just free to make Avilans on there own, and inner roleplay the stories the Devs never had the chance to write.
I've got a Praetorain Avilan myself.
Not long after the clues about the Black Stream where added to the game, the Dev staff got cut to 15 people. There wasn't enough staff and funds to develope art assets for this new enemy group.
I'd love to see Egyptian art assets added to the game, if its the Black Stream cool, if it's something else I'll be just as happy.
What ever happened to this villain group/EAT/idea or something? It seemed so interesting.