Global Vaults and or Email expansion!


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Been talking to a lot of my global friends and we all agree that we would like to see the Vault go global or being able to email more then one item at a time. Salvage prices have gone through the roof, most of us if not all have more salvage then we know what to do with it's just getting to it cause it's all on toons spread out across the server or multiple servers.

What I had in mind was expanding the vault to a global level of 100 salvage items per account or expanding email so you are able to ship 10 items of similar things at once.

This will hopefully reduce the price jacking on the markets and make it so some salvage costs less then the recipe your trying to craft.

I asked this question on the Guardian servers and this is what a handful thought.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=247959

Let me know how you feel about this idea.


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Originally Posted by Chaos_Fighter View Post
What I had in mind was expanding the vault to a global level of 100 salvage items per account
With all due respect, did you and your global friends actually stop to do the math on this? Seriously.

You are suggesting that we castrate ourselves where it comes to vault storage. I'm sorry but screw that idea.

I like many others have many characters. On my main account alone I have 80+. Now considering that none of them are below level 5 that means each of my characters has at least 30 vault slots.

That means I have at least 2,400 vault slots.

It's bad enough that the devs destroyed our ability to store salvage in bases, don't make things exponentially worse by destroying our personal vault storage.



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or expanding email so you are able to ship 10 items of similar things at once.
Now this is a decent idea.


 

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It is a suggested amount, I have 47 50's so I know what I would be loosing out. But to come up with a outrageous amount would get laughed at by the devs (and this post whether it be for the global vault or expanding the email will be tossed out like Pre ED), I'd rather loose a little to gain much more. Unless you have each piece of salvage listed for each toon how long would it take you to hunt down the salvage you would need? You rather add to the price gouging at the market? More than likely you'll say I have billions... I have billions too and I'd like to keep that so I am able to buy the recipes I need for the toons, I surely don't want to spend more on the salvage then the recipes it takes to slot the toon. As far as the SG salvage lockers not all my toons are in the same sgs, or even on the same servers... Sure I'd like to see them expand the lockers, will I ever think they will do it... not really.

So if the number is to low, tell me a number that is reasonable but yet realistic.
Not everyone have 47 50's let alone 80. But I'm sure a lot of people are getting feed up with spending an arm and a leg on salvage.


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Salvage prices.

Little hint 1: place a bid, go play, come back, get salvage. I had crafters on both sides before the merger and that is all I did to keep the SG bins maxed out in IOs. Billions, let alone millions, not required.

Little hint 2: Try looking at all those recipes at lvl50 that "no one" buys. Place 5 inf bid for 10, wait a few seconds, collect the 10 recipes, walk over to store (AP is good spot as example), sell at 5K or more a piece. Repeat. Take profit and buy salvage.

Grand total salvage I have stored on all my toons (including my lowly 26 50's): 0

Salvage is easy to get unless, of course, the OP buys at HAVEITNOW!!!! prices. You don't have to get gouged or spend more than the recipe. Just have patience.

/unsigned to the OP. We have access to an incredible amount of storage already and don't want to see it nerfed (for others since I don't store any salvage and yet keep many bins on blue and red packed with IOs).


 

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Originally Posted by PennyPA View Post
Salvage prices.

Little hint 1: place a bid, go play, come back, get salvage. I had crafters on both sides before the merger and that is all I did to keep the SG bins maxed out in IOs. Billions, let alone millions, not required.

Little hint 2: Try looking at all those recipes at lvl50 that "no one" buys. Place 5 inf bid for 10, wait a few seconds, collect the 10 recipes, walk over to store (AP is good spot as example), sell at 5K or more a piece. Repeat. Take profit and buy salvage.
Option 3 - Play AE arcs. Get tickets. For commons, run random rolls at the level/type of salvage you need. You'll probably get it, and plenty of other stuff to use and/or sell. Uncommon or rare, buy directly.


 

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I would love to be able to email a stack of items. I think the current email system functions like a global vault. A real global vault would be more convenient as I can simply drag stuffs in and out. A huge global vault to replace the personal storage is always in my wish list such that all my items can be shared by all my characters. But I guess the exact implementation would be problematic.


 

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Would it be possible to have both a local and a global vault? Switch between the two by clicking a tab on the vault interface?


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I am 100% behind having the ability to mail a stack of items at once. Not so keen on the rest of the idea. Though the global storage might be a good idea if it were a bit smaller than the suggested 100 (25, maybe), and in addition to regular vault storage.

And this seems to be a good time to bring up my personal wish: Get rid on the Enhancement Tray and replace it with an Enhancement Window, like the one for salvage. Keep it at a limit of 10 enhancements, but allow identical enhancements to stack in the window, and allow them to trade and be transfered to the market in stacks, just like salvage and recipes can!


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Originally Posted by Chaos_Fighter View Post
It is a suggested amount, I have 47 50's so I know what I would be loosing out.
Apparently you don't, and the number of level 50's you have isn't relevant. the bulk of players don't have a lot of 50's. I myself who have been for 6 years only have 2. The amount you suggested would screw over every player with more then 3 characters.


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But to come up with a outrageous amount would get laughed at by the devs
And the insultingly low amount your suggesting is going to be laughed at by everyone.

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I'd rather loose a little to gain much more.
Dude, your math skills are grossly inadequate. Lose a little? How do you figure that giving up thousands of salvage slots for a mere 100 is a little by any definition of the word?

And what exactly is this "gain" you are referring to? The ability to move a couple pieces of salvage between characters on the same account. Gee I could have sworn we could do this already via Email.

Yeah adding a feature that already duplicates something we can already do but destroys our ability to store salvage. What a great idea.

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Unless you have each piece of salvage listed for each toon how long would it take you to hunt down the salvage you would need?
So because a handful of people are lazy hoarders who refuses to keep track of their stuff the devs should screw over everyone else in the game. Oh yeah that makes sense.

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You rather add to the price gouging at the market?
What price gouging? If you think something is to expensive then don't bid that high. It's that simple. Place a bid for what you are willing to spend and wait. There is nothing for sale on the market that you can't play the game without, or that you can't get thru other means. (Merits, AE Tickets, Drops from actually playing the game) The only people being "gouged" (to use your own words) are the ones that suffer from terminal Gottahaveitnowitis and make bids they can't afford.


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More than likely you'll say I have billions... I have billions too and I'd like to keep that so I am able to buy the recipes I need for the toons, I surely don't want to spend more on the salvage then the recipes it takes to slot the toon.
How much inf you have isn't relevant. Adding up everything I have on all my characters on my main account I have just over 63 million, and only 22 million on my secondary account.

And despite being relatively "poor" compared to other players I have never had any trouble getting exactly what I want on any of my characters by using Merits, AE Tickets, random drops, and reasonable bids on the market while excercising a little patience.


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As far as the SG salvage lockers not all my toons are in the same sgs, or even on the same servers... Sure I'd like to see them expand the lockers, will I ever think they will do it... not really.
You're forgetting that the Email feature eliminated any inconvienence that existed by not having all your characters in the same SG or on the same server.

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Not everyone have 47 50's let alone 80.
Here you are making an assumption. I never said anyone had 80 level 50's (although I'm sure there are one or two). I said that all my characters are over level 5. Counting all the characters I have on both my accounts, all I have are 2 level 50's, 1 level 47, 2 level 37's, and the rest are somewhere betweeen levels 5 and 35. Most of whom are parked at specific levels with their XP turned off.

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But I'm sure a lot of people are getting feed up with spending an arm and a leg on salvage.
The only people I see getting upset are the impatient Gottahaveitnow players, and I doubt they make up 5 percent of the playerbase.


 

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Originally Posted by Auroxis View Post
Would it be possible to have both a local and a global vault? Switch between the two by clicking a tab on the vault interface?
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Originally Posted by Roderick View Post
Though the global storage might be a good idea if it were a bit smaller than the suggested 100 (25, maybe), and in addition to regular vault storage.

These are reasonable ideas as an addition to our current Vault Reserve. Good job guys.


 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
Option 3 - Play AE arcs. Get tickets. For commons, run random rolls at the level/type of salvage you need. You'll probably get it, and plenty of other stuff to use and/or sell. Uncommon or rare, buy directly.
Hehe, you caught me Bill. I apparently don't play AE and never considered this.


 

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Again it was a suggested amount of vault storage, I posted this for ideas what the storage should be or what people would think is a acceptable amount.

My point was that I think most people are missing is that throughout my toons I have this salvage (like most others) but it's spread out through multiple toons. I'm looking at being able to access the salvage that I already have instead of running AE or having to pay the jacked up price of it.

If my toon just hit 27, 37, or 47 I would like to go ahead and slot the recipes within that level range. Please remember that everyone just got 3 respecs for each toon they have. Now if you are trying to adjust for inherent fitness and or make some other modification to your toon you will have to purchase some sort of salvage. Now I can only speak for myself that I made a lot of changes to a lot of toons and I did this before I started running TF/SF for shards and yes after I get done doing my respec I would like to finish slotting it so I can do these tf/sf's... I personally don't care to run a toon on a tf/sf that isn't slotted properly.

As far as a global and a regular vault I am all for that as well, anything that will allow me to gain access to salvage quicker that is on another toon without forcing me to log over to every toon I have to get to it.

As far as salvage being gauged on the market, when was the last time someone bought a Alchemical Gold, a few weeks ago it was selling for the same price as some rare salvage (one million for a uncommon salvage and that is just one example of how the salvage market has gone crazy) and now sits at a nice price of 500K... So people do not think that is gauged?

Again, I am looking for ideas for what an acceptable amount would be.


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Originally Posted by Chaos_Fighter View Post
Again, I am looking for ideas for what an acceptable amount would be.
If that is all, my vote is 0. It is not needed and no number would work because we can have very large quantities of storage now.

Salvage is easy to come by. And through a little planning ahead and patience, you can get what you need either by the market or accessing through storage via personal vault, storage on a toon, storage on the market, or even SG bins. Just those alone, I can not fathom how much salvage you are requiring here, even after respecing for Fitness, and it exceeding all that storage just mentioned.

And what is this gauging you are speaking of? You place a bid for what you will pay, go play or log off and enjoy RL or whatever over some time (be it minutes, an hour, or overnight), and come back later, salvage is there and waiting. If you are paying 500K for something, that is because you are bidding that high (meaning you are accepting to pay this amount) or you are impatient and pay HAVEITNOW!!! prices. For example, respec a toon, see what you need, place bid, switch toons, respec 2nd toon, see what you need, place bids, switch back to 1st toon and there you go, your salvage is waiting. And by the time you are done slotting the 1st toon, switch back to 2nd toon and collect the salvage again. It really is easy.


 

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I think being able to send more then 1 object via email - good idea.
I think the global vault - in addition to what we already have - good idea.

I would like to see some way to store recieps, but I tend to be a pack rat who at the same time (because of the nature of recieps) only slot toons that I want to play post lvl 50, most of which get moved to off servers or deleted to make room for more alts. So I end up with bins full of non stock IO's, and toons full of receips. Having a place to put 25 or 50, while I await random salvage to build them or deciding to step into the AE building for some grind ticket manufacturing would be a good thing, (it will allow me to not have to ticket grind for another 2 weeks or so). I am assuming there was some logic at some point behind not allowing people to store recieps. Probably the same logic behind not being able to store mass quanities of salvage. I also assume it has something to do with supply and demand even though I'm not a business major.

But if your gonna ask for more salvage space, why not ask for some space to store recieps.

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Personally, I'm loving the "gouging" that OP decries. Like Forbin, I run a lot of alts (only 2 50s, 6 above 40, 50+ under 40). My lowbies are making money right now, saving up for the future.

I don't expect the prices to stay high indefinitely, so I'm selling stuff as I get it, only keeping things on a particular character if I know as of right now that I will need it for a particular IO in the near term. I'm also placing those low bids others have mentioned for salvage I am planning on using.

Of course the reason that is working out for me is because I can switch to one of several other characters to play while I wait for the bids to come through. Those players who are working diligently on a single "main" will not want to use my system - except, of course, they can also reap the benefit of being able to sell stuff for the currently going rate.

I could see perhaps adding a smallish (25-35) shared vault. I have that on 5 different servers now with small 2-person SGs, so I would rarely use it, but I could see it being useful for those who are only running a few characters spread among multiple servers/SGs.

Can't really support it, but not adamantly against it either.

As for making *all* storage shared across the account - No thanks, for the reasons Forbin listed in his first post.


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Originally Posted by Chaos_Fighter View Post
Again it was a suggested amount of vault storage, I posted this for ideas what the storage should be or what people would think is a acceptable amount.

My point was that I think most people are missing is that throughout my toons I have this salvage (like most others) but it's spread out through multiple toons. I'm looking at being able to access the salvage that I already have instead of running AE or having to pay the jacked up price of it.

If my toon just hit 27, 37, or 47 I would like to go ahead and slot the recipes within that level range. Please remember that everyone just got 3 respecs for each toon they have. Now if you are trying to adjust for inherent fitness and or make some other modification to your toon you will have to purchase some sort of salvage. Now I can only speak for myself that I made a lot of changes to a lot of toons and I did this before I started running TF/SF for shards and yes after I get done doing my respec I would like to finish slotting it so I can do these tf/sf's... I personally don't care to run a toon on a tf/sf that isn't slotted properly.

As far as a global and a regular vault I am all for that as well, anything that will allow me to gain access to salvage quicker that is on another toon without forcing me to log over to every toon I have to get to it.

As far as salvage being gauged on the market, when was the last time someone bought a Alchemical Gold, a few weeks ago it was selling for the same price as some rare salvage (one million for a uncommon salvage and that is just one example of how the salvage market has gone crazy) and now sits at a nice price of 500K... So people do not think that is gauged?

Again, I am looking for ideas for what an acceptable amount would be.
The thing is, you DO NOT need to slot io's in your toon to go do tf/sf's. You can place so's in until you get the io's you need to finish. Also, you are going about the market in the WRONG way. DO NOT use it as a store. Use it for what it is intended to be used as. Place a bid and go run a mission or 2 and come back and collect.

/Unsigned to global access.


 

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Originally Posted by Chaos_Fighter View Post
As far as salvage being gauged on the market, when was the last time someone bought a Alchemical Gold, a few weeks ago it was selling for the same price as some rare salvage (one million for a uncommon salvage and that is just one example of how the salvage market has gone crazy) and now sits at a nice price of 500K... So people do not think that is gauged?
Then don't bid that much. It's as simple as that. Place a bid for what you are willing to pay and go do something else. There will always be people that can't wait so they overbid on something. Heck, I've made over 2 bil from the market just by crafting IOs and listing them at my cost. I list for the same price that anyone can craft it for and more often than not someone shows up and bids twice my listing price. At no point did I force them to pay that much. They just had to have it now and paid more than it was worth.

I got rich from selling to the lazy at the price they chose to pay.


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