The Impossible Mr. Trapdoor and Issue 19's New Theme


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Originally Posted by Void_Huntress View Post
Turn off Granite?
I like not being squishy.


 

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Originally Posted by Toony View Post
I like not being squishy.
You've got 8 other powers in that set which provide respectable defense. If my ultra-squishy Blaster can wipe out a single EB, so can you.


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Originally Posted by Bosstone View Post
You've got 8 other powers in that set which provide respectable defense. If my ultra-squishy Blaster can wipe out a single EB, so can you.
Don't be silly, Stone Armor only has one worthwhile power: Granite.

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Don't be silly, Stone Armor only has one worthwhile power: Granite.

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No. It has several worthwhile powers, I just find all the other armors completely situational after granite becomes available.

If you want to take a situational power, go ahead. I can't think of many situations I would need it. Also I'd still be slow without granite because rooted puts more slow on you than granite does. And if you tell me not to run rooted then you're basically telling me to be a mezless tank

And I killed him via sitting in the lava with him. Turns out granite is pretty useful for sitting in lava and watching the EB die.


 

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I'm not entirely sure how much of an impact the lava made in my fights but the temptation of the lava is too great to not do it.


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No. It has several worthwhile powers, I just find all the other armors completely situational after granite becomes available.
This would be one of those situations.


 

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If you want to take a situational power, go ahead. I can't think of many situations I would need it.
I hear Apex requires you to move around a lot...


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Originally Posted by Razoras View Post
I'm not entirely sure how much of an impact the lava made in my fights but the temptation of the lava is too great to not do it.
It did like two ticks of 40 or so damage to him every second while about 5 to me. It helped because the AI is stupid and does not try and run out of that lava even when I leave it to deal with the clones. He just sits there blasting me from afar. Therefor the lava is providing a constant stream of damage even while his regen is up. Thats the strategy I used to beat him.

And when I referred to the entire mish being made to mock my granite, I was also referring to the fact that the map had like 7 of those little hatches you have to jump down :P



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This would be one of those situations.
Still did it without it :P It was just abit of a pain. And again would be no easier without granite because I'd then need to use rooted for KB protection (and rooted is slower than granite). That or get KB'd everywhere.



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I hear Apex requires you to move around a lot...
I know nothing about the TF nor have I really heard anyone forming teams for it (seems everyone is running TM instead). I don't play my 50's much and don't feel like grinding for incarnate stuff. I actually don't move that slow in granite (around base run speed without sprint or swift). It was more the lack of damage due to granite, not so much the speed.


 

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Lets just say that turning on Granite/Rooted on the last Apex TF battle would net you unresistable, autohit damage in the form of an initial blast + fast damage over time ticks.

Which can be stacked up to 8 times.

Nevermind the DoT killing anyone within a second or two under that condition, the blast would defeat you outright.

Thankfully it has a long visual and audio queue and is generally not stacked too much, unless the team is Melee AT heavy. For the rest of the 90% or so of the game, you're fine. I guess I didn't give you enough of these:


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Lets just say that turning on Granite/Rooted on the last Apex TF battle would net you unresistable, autohit damage in the form of an initial blast + fast damage over time ticks.

Which can be stacked up to 8 times.

Nevermind the DoT killing anyone within a second or two under that condition, the blast would defeat you outright.

Thankfully it has a long visual and audio queue and is generally not stacked too much, unless the team is Melee AT heavy. For the rest of the 90% or so of the game, you're fine. I guess I didn't give you enough of these:
Mez protection is now bad?

wat


 

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Mez protection is now bad?

wat
I believe that battle only has one soft-mez effect: Knockback. From the minions or the AV. You can learn more about it if you don't care to avoid spoilers.


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Mez protection is now bad?

wat
When that mez protection makes it impossible to avoid something that will probably kill you outright, yes.

From what I understand, the patches that Battle Maiden drops are both autohit and unresistable, so if you are running Rooted and Granite, you are going to die the first time she goes to drop one on you, because you can't avoid them. And with it being unresistable, Granite will do you no good at all. Finally, something in the game where the first thing anyone says is NOT "We need a Stone tank"

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Stone has always been a bit lopsided. The original idea was that Granite was supposed to be a tradeoff. Sure, it's awesome, but you wouldn't want to be in it constantly. But due to buffers and Teleport, the tradeoff has mostly been negated, and because of the straightforward mechanics of 99% of the game to date, the speed issue really hasn't been something to worry about; you just stand there and trade blows with the AV or whatever.

So now we're getting TFs that involve moving battles. Apex has one, Tin Mage sort of has one, and it's not unreasonable to figure we'll get more like that. Trapdoor is your training session for those fights. It's pretty forgiving, but it's supposed to introduce you to the idea of trading blows for a while, then running away to accomplish something else, then coming back to the boss.

In a very real sense, you need to be able to solo Ramiel's arc to be properly prepared for the content it's gating.


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Look at this! Look at it! Is there something wrong with this picture!?



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Of course there's something wrong with that picture. Where's the glorious AOE destruction?

That is the very definition of a target-rich environment.

I do think Trapdoor probably should be reset after a death, rather than continuing to spawn bifurcations. Once he's gotten several out, it really is difficult for a single player to control the situation, which means either you need to call in buddies or else reset the mission.


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That is a single player. At least, somewhere in there.

According to the post I linked, they fell asleep.

Even so, if you can't beat Trappy on the first attempt, you're still better off resetting the mission. I hate that.


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I've soloed Trapdoor on all my characters, if I recall. Only one had any problems -- the MA/Regen scrapper. I jumped into the fight with scrapperlock on, ignored my health, and got him to a sliver of health before I died. Totally surprised me. I took round 2 without breaking a sweat.

The Honoree, on the other hand, is impossible for some character builds. My knockback-specialized AR/Storm corruptor could not defeat the Honoree, no matter how many inspirations he swallowed. My defenders also had some severe problems; it might have been possible, but I decided to get friends. Controls -- both hard and soft -- are worthless against the Honoree, as are To-Hit debuffs, and that negates a lot of strategies that are valid everywhere else in the game.

No biggie, though. I don't mind if there is content that my character cannot solo. Even Superman has kryptonite.


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Haven't been playing for a while, but had to get Going Rogue on the Steam sale, and as a result encountered the nice Mr. Trapdoor. Escaped on the first encounter, figured the clones needed to be dealt with, returned and killed all who spawned, then died. When I came back Trapdoor was deep in lava, no clones around, though he looked to be in full health. I tried to attack him but was greeted with a text box. I figure he died in lava while I was away, the silly bugger.


 

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Heh. That's pretty funny.


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Even so, if you can't beat Trappy on the first attempt, you're still better off resetting the mission. I hate that.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of that either. I mean, OK, it's sort of realistic. After all, if you could duplicate yourself to hell and back and become indestructible, why wouldn't you? (Wait, why is he worried about getting the artifact to work again?)

Actually In a "realistic" scenario, Trapdoor wouldn't be hanging out with the Council - he'd have 10,000 of his clones manning the base when you got there. But that wouldn't be very much fun for the player, and I sure don't think he should do that only after you show up and get defeated.


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I mean, OK, it's sort of realistic.
So is the entire army of baddies in the warehouse rushing the front door once the Hero Alarm goes up, but there's a damn good reason they don't.


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So is the entire army of baddies in the warehouse rushing the front door once the Hero Alarm goes up, but there's a damn good reason they don't.
Tell that to folks who made endless variations on ambush maps in the AE.

(But seriously, I do get the point.)


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Actually In a "realistic" scenario, Trapdoor wouldn't be hanging out with the Council - he'd have 10,000 of his clones manning the base when you got there.
I guess it depends on how annoying he finds himself :-)


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Even so, if you can't beat Trappy on the first attempt, you're still better off resetting the mission. I hate that.
Yeah, a mechanic that generated that particular picture couldn't possibly be broken, right?

Three clones. Three. After the third one falls you are done chasing them.

I suppose what I hate the most about the mission as it now stands is that it's forcing me to realize that I have level 50 characters who are not mains, will not be mains, and that I'm now being made to abandon. Most of these characters are tankers. I played them because I like tankers, and wanted to play every tanker primary and secondary at high levels. I moved a number of them off my main server (Victory) when server transfers were free.

These characters are not tricked out with many IO set bonuses like my mains are. My mains mostly did this during the first week the new arc went live, and as such had no issues. Now that this undroppable mission has been flagged NOT FOR TANKERS, if I wanted to run the arc on those characters it would mean standing around on an infrequently visited server begging for a controller to come in and solo the mission for me. Being reluctant to do that, I have to face that these characters are not going to unlock the alpha slot. They have no future in the game, and may as well be deleted.

The thing that's held my interest about this game has ever been that it allows you to have fifteen or fifty characters you break out from time to time instead of concentrating on a limited number of mains. This is what gated endgames do; and when you must face the prospect of getting all the keys open on a freshly made high level character, it's daunting enough to be discouraging.

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These characters are not tricked out with many IO set bonuses like my mains are. My mains mostly did this during the first week the new arc went live, and as such had no issues. Now that this undroppable mission has been flagged NOT FOR TANKERS, if I wanted to run the arc on those characters it would mean standing around on an infrequently visited server begging for a controller to come in and solo the mission for me. Being reluctant to do that, I have to face that these characters are not going to unlock the alpha slot. They have no future in the game, and may as well be deleted.
My Tanker isn't level 50 yet but I have a really hard time believing a decently built Tanker cannot solo the arc. His damage is pretty low so a Tanker should be able to just chomp down on a bunch of reds and smack him and his birfurcations. I will admit that Granite Tankers might have trouble due to the need to move and the fact that the map is not teleport friendly but other than that.