It patched to the 2000.XXXX code branch which (presumably) means it's now running i20.
So I'd say no, it's no longer open to everyone for the next while.
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The regular test server should still be open.
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This. Supposedly I20 has been in an NDA-signed closed beta since September. Must be a big one. The last time they were this tight about beta testing secrecy, it was for the AE system.
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It patched to the 2000.XXXX code branch which (presumably) means it's now running i20.
So I'd say no, it's no longer open to everyone for the next while. |
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They're trying to get the rumored new raid at the BAF just right so it optimally craps on our characters as much as possible, especially Tankers.|
Originally Posted by Inazuma
This. Supposedly I20 has been in an NDA-signed closed beta since September. Must be a big one. The last time they were this tight about beta testing secrecy, it was for the AE system.
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So they must have been using the second server that's been grayed out forever to do it during the i19 beta. I mean, that's the only way they've been testing it constantly since then.|
Originally Posted by Inazuma
This. Supposedly I20 has been in an NDA-signed closed beta since September. Must be a big one. The last time they were this tight about beta testing secrecy, it was for the AE system.
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Yeah, I was in the i19 beta, and loved the experience, but it did kinda rankle me to know that a second 'elite' group of testers was working on other stuff at the same time.
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They're trying to get the rumored new raid at the BAF just right so it optimally craps on our characters as much as possible, especially Tankers.
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We already understand that you have no concept of balance, or how to play a tank properly. Your join date doesn't matter, your prior experience in the game doesn't matter, you want the developers to make the tanker the strongest melee AT in both offense and defense despite the fact that this would kill all semblance of balance in the game when tankers are already QUITE capable of performing as they were intended.
Yes, there are some builds for the other two non-stalker melee AT's that can reach Tanker levels of protection in defense, and for Brutes Resistance. Those are what are called Outliers, builds that go beyond what the developers expected and intended for people to do with the given tools.
I mean, Christ, I haven't even been active on the forums for two years yet and I'm already sick of hearing this. Every time I see your username I know the thread's going to be hit with a post complaining about how tankers aren't 'real' tanks despite the fact that they do the job their name implies better than any other AT in the game.
I have a crab build that has positional defenses either capped or almost there at all times without outside buffs. Oh no, a range-biased character with positional softcaps!
Balnse iz teh runed!
Except...crabs have no Defense Debuff Resistance, so they are heavily vulnerable to Cascading Defense Failure...just like every non-melee AT that builds up a significant amount of +def bonuses from powers or set bonuses.
And yes, I DO have a tank myself. Shocking thing is that the only thing I dislike about her is that I wish BAB had managed to figure out how to alter Granite so that Stone Armor was completely customizable.
That's because I understand how Party Roles and Group Dynamics WORK. Blasters nuke, Scrappers shred, Defenders buff, Controllers mez, Kheldians suck*, and Tankers take one for the team.
Of course, you're obviously confused by this perfectly sound logic because you THINK that Tankers were named after tanks, as in the military weapon, when in all reality they were named for their ROLE as damage sponges.
Perhaps if the developers had used that logic and named them after something used by the military to force the enemy to waste attacks on something that isn't going to be damaged easily rather than something known outside the MMO community as a major source of damage, you'd think differently.
The only problem is, 'Decoy' doesn't sound very heroic.
*I'll gladly invite one if asked and there's room, but I just don't like playing as them.
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Johnny. after you get roasted like that, the best thing to do is just walk away and not try to attempt a response.
If you didn't realize you got roasted, let me spell it out for you:
You. Got. Roasted.
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Johnny. after you get roasted like that, the best thing to do is just walk away and not try to attempt a response.
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Really? If your spamming taunt on a tanker, YOUR DOING IT WRONG. Punchvoke is more then enough to hold aggro on not just 1, but up to 5 mobs at a time, without touching taunt at all, and thats not even counting the taunt aura just about any tanker has. Heck, Ice tankers don't even need to use punchvoke, Icicles and Chilling embrace gives them all the aggro they could ever want.
Tankers are doing upwards of 170DPS on pylons, which means they are performing as well as some SCRAPPERS for sheer damage. PLus they have the HIGHEST hit points in the GAME. So really, suck it up. Tankers can't be highest damage and the toughest AT ever, its just not gonna happen. You want to be able to look lord recluse in the eyes, and shake off any of his attacks without a second thought? Play a tanker. You want to be able to actually kill Lord Recluse before old age finishes him off? Play a different AT.
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You like mashing Taunt over and over and being exploited. Good on you.
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Perhaps if the developers read a comic or gave a damn about the super hero genre and its sensibilities instead of mindlessly aping outdated fantasy game mechanics and conventions, Tankers wouldn't be a joke.
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Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
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So, I think I understand where you're coming from - tanks really aren't all that cool, especially when compared to their comic-book inspiration. However, comic books have editors and writers to control narrative and create dramatic situations for a limited set of characters. These scensarios are specifically tailored around the powers, personalities, and external pressures of those characters. If someone could write a video game that could take that kind of narrative drama, and wrap them into an MMO? That would be great - but it's not currnetly there now.
In this generation of MMO's, the best we have is video-game-style game balance: which, yes, is Defense/Offense/Recovery, currently.
The closest you can get, in terms of game mechanics, would be something like Champions - the paper & pencil version, rather than the online version. And even in THAT, you've got a GM looking over your shoulder, saying "no, you can't take that power, it's unbalancing" or "if you do that, I'm going to have to have invisible ninjas assasinate you in the night," or "dude, if you want to power-wank, go off in a corner where I don't have to see you". And that ends up being a game designed by 1 person for 3-5 people, rather than a game designed by 50 for 250k. (or whatever the numbers are currently.)
Yeah, you can play superman in a PnP RPG - but for it to be fun for anyone else besides the person playing Supes, either everyone has to be at that level of power (in which case, superman no longer shows up as an outlier), or else the rest of the players have to be OK with is (Unlikely, seeing as a big part this is power-fantasies), or else the GM has to be constantly throwing Kryptonite at you. (Unfun for pretty much everyone involved.)
So: this is a game, not a comic book. Logically speaking, a game is not a comic book. Therefore, there are bound to be differences between the two. If you feel it's possible to have a comic book genre element in a game, feel free to give specific ways to do so: after all, that's what this game is trying to do. But because it is a game first and a comic book emulator second, a violation of good game design would be a sufficient reason not to implment your idea.
Instead or trying to reason with Johnny, simply realize this: he wants every Tank to be Superman. He wants every Tank to have both the best offense and the best defense and thinks this is somehow compatible with a massively-multiplayer environment. It isn't, but he is completely incapable of coming to terms with this fact and it shows in every bitter, out-of-touch rant he delivers. His value as a commenter is only in illustrating the downfalls of bitter adherence to the conventions of a genre that is highly inconsistent, unrealistic and malleable.
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Don't know if they were constantly testing it during i19 - I think some/most of it was done before 19, then they pulled it to digest the feedback/etc - and now are putting it back up.
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So they must have been using the second server that's been grayed out forever to do it during the i19 beta. I mean, that's the only way they've been testing it constantly since then.
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We have no way of knowing if that was indeed what was happening. Only the developers or players under a signed NDA know for sure though.|
Originally Posted by Lady_of_Ysgard
Yeah, I was in the i19 beta, and loved the experience, but it did kinda rankle me to know that a second 'elite' group of testers was working on other stuff at the same time.
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I highly doubt it as the developers would likely have been far too busy to work on and test both Issue 19 and Issue 20 stuff at the same time.
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Uh, we have a way of knowing because the devs told us. They announced on Massively and at a gathering (I forget which) that an i20 closed beta would be happening before i19. IIRC the devs even told a number of people in the i19 beta test channel that i20 testing was going on concurrently. I wouldn't be surprised if i20 testing was still going on with those testers because there's more that a few forum notables who went dark around when the i20 beta was supposed to have started and are still quieter than usual.|
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We have no way of knowing if that was indeed what was happening. Only the developers or players under a signed NDA know for sure though.
I highly doubt it as the developers would likely have been far too busy to work on and test both Issue 19 and Issue 20 stuff at the same time. |
It's no secret a couple of i20 features (notably the new loading screens and some kind of queuing system) bled in and then out of the i19 beta by mistake. It's also no secret there's a new raid coming for the Incarnate content (the BAF compound) which is likely what these testers were testing, among other things.
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Ignore is your friend, it was put there for a reason. I use it for people who complain about subjects ad nauseum, there was someone a while back during I19 beta that would ***** about Stalkers sucking left and right in every AT thread, so I ignored them and forum life was better.
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I mean, Christ, I haven't even been active on the forums for two years yet and I'm already sick of hearing this. Every time I see your username I know the thread's going to be hit with a post complaining about how tankers aren't 'real' tanks despite the fact that they do the job their name implies better than any other AT in the game.
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Dude, the horse is dead already. We get it, you HATE tankers the way they are right now, which is balanced towards survivability more than offense, the Stone Wall (sometimes literally) to the Brute's Mighty Glacier and the Scrapper's more Lightning Bruiser style.
We already understand that you have no concept of balance, or how to play a tank properly. Your join date doesn't matter, your prior experience in the game doesn't matter, you want the developers to make the tanker the strongest melee AT in both offense and defense despite the fact that this would kill all semblance of balance in the game when tankers are already QUITE capable of performing as they were intended. Yes, there are some builds for the other two non-stalker melee AT's that can reach Tanker levels of protection in defense, and for Brutes Resistance. Those are what are called Outliers, builds that go beyond what the developers expected and intended for people to do with the given tools. I mean, Christ, I haven't even been active on the forums for two years yet and I'm already sick of hearing this. Every time I see your username I know the thread's going to be hit with a post complaining about how tankers aren't 'real' tanks despite the fact that they do the job their name implies better than any other AT in the game. I have a crab build that has positional defenses either capped or almost there at all times without outside buffs. Oh no, a range-biased character with positional softcaps! Balnse iz teh runed! Except...crabs have no Defense Debuff Resistance, so they are heavily vulnerable to Cascading Defense Failure...just like every non-melee AT that builds up a significant amount of +def bonuses from powers or set bonuses. And yes, I DO have a tank myself. Shocking thing is that the only thing I dislike about her is that I wish BAB had managed to figure out how to alter Granite so that Stone Armor was completely customizable. That's because I understand how Party Roles and Group Dynamics WORK. Blasters nuke, Scrappers shred, Defenders buff, Controllers mez, Kheldians suck*, and Tankers take one for the team. Of course, you're obviously confused by this perfectly sound logic because you THINK that Tankers were named after tanks, as in the military weapon, when in all reality they were named for their ROLE as damage sponges. Perhaps if the developers had used that logic and named them after something used by the military to force the enemy to waste attacks on something that isn't going to be damaged easily rather than something known outside the MMO community as a major source of damage, you'd think differently. The only problem is, 'Decoy' doesn't sound very heroic. *I'll gladly invite one if asked and there's room, but I just don't like playing as them. |
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How is it that you ignore someone? I thought it was a built-in feature of the forum, but I can't seem to find it.
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Ignore is your friend, it was put there for a reason. I use it for people who complain about subjects ad nauseum, there was someone a while back during I19 beta that would ***** about Stalkers sucking left and right in every AT thread, so I ignored them and forum life was better.
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Go to your UserCP, in the left column is a listing for Edit Ignore List. You have to type their name in, but most don't have overly complicated names. Just be aware that if someone quotes them that you will see the contents of the post in the quote. You also get a little bar each time you get to one of their posts notifying you that they posted but that you won't see it because you have them on ignore.
If you are using Firefox there is a much easier and more comprehensive method available. There is an add-on called FfVb that is available for free that handles ignore much easier, more comprehensively, and has other features as well. With this add-on, if you add someone to the FfVb ignore list, you don't see their posts, you don't see that they have posted, and best of all you don't see their post if someone quotes them. It's what an ignore feature should really be.
It also has features to ignore specific avatar images, signatures, threads and much more. It's well worth the download just for the fully-functional Ignore User feature.
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Also, if you click on someone's name, and go to their profile, Under their name on the black bar is a button labled "User Lists" - one option is "Add to Ignore" - prefer that method to make sure you don't accidently ignore someone else.
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