As soon as it became known that shards would drop in them.In addition to special salvage for the incarnate system.Faster you get it done the faster you get your reward.
Thank the devs for doing that.Personally I very rarely run tfs unless I need the special salvage.I do rikti raids and mishes for my shards though.
My suggestion start setting up your teams and explain to everyone what you are doing..who knows you might start a trend. 
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That is the primary reason for which I avoid PUGs for TFs and SFs. When I do a TF, I wanna do it to have fun and enjoy playing the game. I don't want to rush through it with my super-uber build just to get the maximum "Reward per Minute" ratio.
Originally Posted by Dark_Healer_NA
When did the speed TF become so commonplace that they became the rule as opposed to the exception? It's getting to the point where the 1 required team activity is no longer worth doing because there is no teamwork.
And usually, most PUGs don't go with that, since there is always that one person on team who keeps nagging that people are slow and that he can solo that one room to make it go faster.
I dislike that person. And that person who always goes ahead of the team as if just trying to show off how awesome his or her Brute is. You know who you are...you!!! Grrr! 
I imagine this has only become worse with the introduction of Incarnates.
Edit: I pretty much do what Larker said. I lead TFs very frequently. But only with my SG mates and their friends or anyone else I know that isn't an obnoxious efficiency expert (we still complete TFs fast, but no one tries to ENFORCE it, and no one's obnoxious about it. We're just that good! We pretty much kill anything in our path and clear all ambushes!). I like to call them FunTFs!
My problem is that PUGing is my only way to team. In my many years here, the people I knew and played with has dropped to 0. I guess I'll just keep my eyes open for DKTF's since they're always fun.
Best bet is to make new global friends...strike up a conversation with a good player see if it's a fit and add 'em to your global. It's how I do it.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Healer_NA
My problem is that PUGing is my only way to team. In my many years here, the people I knew and played with has dropped to 0. I guess I'll just keep my eyes open for DKTF's since they're always fun.
Though I haven't run one in a week or so. I'm focusing on leveling a character right now. But I could still hook you up!
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No teamwork? I would argue that good speeders have considerably MORE teamwork, much of which expands to build advice and tips for maximizing effectiveness.|
Originally Posted by Dark_Healer_NA
When did the speed TF become so commonplace that they became the rule as opposed to the exception? It's getting to the point where the 1 required team activity is no longer worth doing because there is no teamwork.
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I can't imagine that the 28 minute Tin Mage we ran last night utilized LESS teamwork than the three-hour one someone else ran.
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By no teamwork, I am referring to not requiring the aid of most of the team to complete missions without AV/GM fights. I just did an LGTF where I stood at the door because I don't have invis and couldn't make it to the speedsters. I only helped kill Hro'Dtohz and Honoree because I was teleported to the final room.
Personally.... i have done both... and to be honest...
i prefer a slow paced completly IC TF, same as when i do missions... there is nothing better than watch the different personalities and interactions... and typing one liners while fighting requires a lot of practice... specially when they are responding to someone else... in a friendly banter
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this has been the opposite of my experience. Shards have made fewer speed runs and more killing during SFs, imho.|
Originally Posted by The_Larker
As soon as it became known that shards would drop in them.In addition to special salvage for the incarnate system.Faster you get it done the faster you get your reward.
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Speed runs come from trying to get to the end reward asap to get more reward for time spent.
Since shards drop from kills I have seen many more "kill-most" SFs to maximize shard drops.
I have had the opposite experience with TFs and i19. Once we found out that shards drop, I have done more "kill all" TFs than ever before.
Before i19, the biggest reason people did speed TFs was that you received Merits for the TF and getting done quickly meant you could spend your merits quickly.
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Most of the tfs I have been on have been a rush to get the end prize. It's funny you should mention this too because it's something me and the missus talked about while doing a tf last weekend.|
Originally Posted by all_hell
this has been the opposite of my experience. Shards have made fewer speed runs and more killing during SFs, imho.
Speed runs come from trying to get to the end reward asap to get more reward for time spent. Since shards drop from kills I have seen many more "kill-most" SFs to maximize shard drops. |
Namely WHY we weren't takin our time tryin to get as many kills as possible to get the maximium amount of chances to get shard drops.
Personally I think doin a rikti run is the way to go for gettin shard drops last one I did was 8 shards and 700 merits not too shabby for 30 some odd minutes.
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Originally Posted by The_Larker
Most of the tfs I have been on have been a rush to get the end prize. It's funny you should mention this too because it's something me and the missus talked about while doing a tf last weekend.
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How is that different from eveyr raid and dungeon in ever game ever since Ultima Online? Taskforces have always been like that since Reward merits (I.E. meaningful rewards for doing them at all) were added to the game.
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I have no problem with either , but since I have several toons that need a specific TF badge , I may cut corners at times ( have someone stealth to boss , glowie etc ) but if I have never ran it , I want to take my time to get a good feel for the next time i go through it . 
Yeah, my experiences have been different so far.
I've actually never done a speed TF (some sped up bits here and there maybe, but not true speed TFs).
In fact, I was just mentioning how I want to join in on a Speed ITF some time, because I have no idea how people are doing it in the times they have and I am entirely curious to experience it, hehe.
I don't think I've ever done an ITF that came in under 1.5 hours. 
I've joked that it is entirely because of me, but that's not really true.
All that being said...
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Baronesa (and likely some others here), we should do some TFs together some time!|
Originally Posted by Baronesa
Personally.... i have done both... and to be honest...
i prefer a slow paced completly IC TF, same as when i do missions... there is nothing better than watch the different personalities and interactions... and typing one liners while fighting requires a lot of practice... specially when they are responding to someone else... in a friendly banter |
Anyone think we could try hooking up fully IC TFs in the TF global?
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Going quickly requires MORE teamwork in my opinion. For example, when the people I game with are really clicking on a Kahn TF, as soon as Ritter is found, one of us Ouros out to PI and heads to Tina. If it's timed correctly, that person can get there, go through her dialogue and light the next mission AND get to the mission door just as everyone else is zoning into PI, hit the Team TP, and enter the mish. On many runs, there may be two minutes between the end of the Ritter mish and the beginning of the final mission, in which someone else runs ahead and Team TPs us all in. If everyone knows what jobs need to be done and does them, times improve... because of teamwork.|
Originally Posted by Dark_Healer_NA
By no teamwork, I am referring to not requiring the aid of most of the team to complete missions without AV/GM fights. I just did an LGTF where I stood at the door because I don't have invis and couldn't make it to the speedsters. I only helped kill Hro'Dtohz and Honoree because I was teleported to the final room.
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Please don't think I'm bashing kill-all TFs -I enjoy them just fine occasionally- but I surely don't think it requires more teamwork to accomplish them.
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Real speed runs do require a great deal of cooperation and communication.|
Originally Posted by PuceNonagon
Please don't think I'm bashing kill-all TFs -I enjoy them just fine occasionally- but I surely don't think it requires more teamwork to accomplish them.
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A speed kill-all would be fun.
Lower level SFs have no real incentive to be turned into anything but speed runs. The drops from the mobs don't sell for that much and the inf from them is not very much either. So merits are the main reward, (other than the fun of running it).
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Originally Posted by all_hell
this has been the opposite of my experience. Shards have made fewer speed runs and more killing during SFs, imho.
Speed runs come from trying to get to the end reward asap to get more reward for time spent. Since shards drop from kills I have seen many more "kill-most" SFs to maximize shard drops. |
Speed Runs were popular when the only reward they were going for was the merits at the end.
Now, with shards dropping, I've seen much more, kill them all, TFs.
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Originally Posted by Bright Shadow
PM me your Global and I might take you on on some of the relaxed happy fun times ITFs and LGTFs I run! Though I haven't run one in a week or so. I'm focusing on leveling a character right now. But I could still hook you up! |
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Originally Posted by BrandX
This.
Speed Runs were popular when the only reward they were going for was the merits at the end. Now, with shards dropping, I've seen much more, kill them all, TFs. |
Yeah LGTFs and ITFs are less about speed runs and more about the speed of clearing it all. My last ITF I was with Eat_Me and Lady C, we did the TF relatively quickly but we still managed to clear good portions of each mission out and had gigglefits when Imperius chose the stalker (me, respectively) to follow and kill-and-mame.
Of course lower TFs, expect speed runs. Shards nor uniques from from anything bellow 50 approved so Posi and such haven't lucked out on this and honestly I don't mind it too bad. I'm in most TFs for the badge ******* so if completing a TF in 12 minutes via gimping the mission, as long as it doesn't burn me out and allows me to hit up the next following; I'm down for it.
I PUG but like another said, the friends I have when I'm on are either dedicated to RP in the D specifically or are not on when I'm up and about.
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Well, what exactly else are people missing from trying to speed through them?|
Originally Posted by Stryph
You removed me from your globals because I took a week of absence for Black Oops... -shakes fist-
Yeah LGTFs and ITFs are less about speed runs and more about the speed of clearing it all. My last ITF I was with Eat_Me and Lady C, we did the TF relatively quickly but we still managed to clear good portions of each mission out and had gigglefits when Imperius chose the stalker (me, respectively) to follow and kill-and-mame. Of course lower TFs, expect speed runs. Shards nor uniques from from anything bellow 50 approved so Posi and such haven't lucked out on this and honestly I don't mind it too bad. I'm in most TFs for the badge ******* so if completing a TF in 12 minutes via gimping the mission, as long as it doesn't burn me out and allows me to hit up the next following; I'm down for it. I PUG but like another said, the friends I have when I'm on are either dedicated to RP in the D specifically or are not on when I'm up and about. |
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HUH? I'm sorry but if anything the shards have slowed things down a bit. Before I-19 Speed TFs had become more and more common because no one cared about earning badges all they wanted was a quick payoff at the end in Merits. People doing TFs for shards may be moving fast at times but they are not blasting past mobs to reach the end .. Shard rates are tided completely to X number of defeats and stealthing, running or skipping huge portions of the map severely cuts into the number of shards you get. I did a LGFT tonight that was practically a kill all... by the time we finished off the Honoree it was getting late so we skipped a few mobs on the outskirts of the generator chamber but I left with 11 shards. I have done ITFs where we actually stayed and cleared the towers and all of the walls before leaving... and that was after fighting our way from the ship all the way to Romulus and Requeim in the mission prior to that. |
Originally Posted by The_Larker
As soon as it became known that shards would drop in them.In addition to special salvage for the incarnate system.Faster you get it done the faster you get your reward.
Thank the devs for doing that.Personally I very rarely run tfs unless I need the special salvage.I do rikti raids and mishes for my shards though. My suggestion start setting up your teams and explain to everyone what you are doing..who knows you might start a trend. |
Now since shard hunting only applies to LGTF, ITF, STF, KAHN TF, LRSF and the Baraccuda SF I am sure there are still speed runs going on the lower level ones. And there are still the slightly uninformed or just completely STUPID out there that think they can use the same SPEED TF mentality on the high level ones and then complain because it takes so long to get all the shards they need. I took a 50 level Plant/Rad troller out tonight for her first shard hunting .. She had 1 Shard at the beginning of the evening from completing the Mender Arc the day before. I did a Kahn TF and while we did take out a lot more mobs than most of the KAHNS I have been on it was hardly a kill all but I finished with 5 more shards and an Dimensional Keystone. I did the LGTF and that was a Kill all .. finished up with a total of 17 shards (11 more) and added a Hero One DNA. I used 4 shards to build an Essence of the Incarnate and had a Musculature Boost slotted and 13 shards left toward my umcommon. All that took was about 3 hours and tomorrow I will hook up with an ITF and should be able to slot an uncommon.
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Wendy~ I get what your talkin about and like I said in other posts in made no sense to me.
Until I found out that the core ppl running the tf only wanted to get the end salvage.
Hell even after the tf was over some folks stayed on to clear the map, it seems some folks are just speeding it to get their last piece of salvage to complete w/e they need.
Personally I'm for the kill all and it looks like the vast majority of the population is too,but, as always there is a percentage that make you wonder why they do things the way they do.
Hope this clears up what I was tryin to get across.
I don't mind as long as the TF is accomplished. Really speed run or not, if it's 50+ I'm still getting shards which means the more mobs you kill the more likely you'll get a shard drop anyways.
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I think it must depend on the TF. A 25min speed ITF, consists of Tankers/Brutes speeding through the first couple of cave mishs (to rescue chicks/destroy crystals) while everyone else tries to keep up, usually dying at the hands of bloodthirsty Romans/Cyclops and end up heading to the hospital once the mish is complete. Not much communication or teamwork needed for the simpler TFs I guess.
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Originally Posted by PuceNonagon
Going quickly requires MORE teamwork in my opinion.
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When did the speed TF become so commonplace that they became the rule as opposed to the exception? It's getting to the point where the 1 required team activity is no longer worth doing because there is no teamwork.