New Incarnate Abilities


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So from what I hear, we are getting the 3rd and 4th teir alpha slots in issue 20. Has anyone heard if we are getting another piece of the incarnate system(Omega, Destiny, Lore, Hybrid, etc) in i20, or is it just the full alpha slot ability? And if we aren't getting another part in i20, does anyone know when we will?


 

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So from what I hear, we are getting the 3rd and 4th teir alpha slots in issue 20. Has anyone heard if we are getting another piece of the incarnate system(Omega, Destiny, Lore, Hybrid, etc) in i20, or is it just the full alpha slot ability? And if we aren't getting another part in i20, does anyone know when we will?
No one knows because i20 is in super secret closed NDA signed beta.


 

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So from what I hear, we are getting the 3rd and 4th teir alpha slots in issue 20. Has anyone heard if we are getting another piece of the incarnate system(Omega, Destiny, Lore, Hybrid, etc) in i20, or is it just the full alpha slot ability? And if we aren't getting another part in i20, does anyone know when we will?
The only people that know for sure can't say, but I sincerely hope the devs don't piecemeal out 1/20th of the Incarnate system each issue.


 

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The only people that know for sure can't say, but I sincerely hope the devs don't piecemeal out 1/20th of the Incarnate system each issue.
Well, I'm kinda busy
-trying to get most of my characters the Incarnate slot
-Trying out the new TFs (only done Tin Mage once so far, still havent done the other)
-respeccing toons
-Barely been back to Praetoria to try the new content there
-Running TFs to get more shards for incarnate enhancers
-Learning to be more effective in PvP (though that's not really I19 related, but it's content...)
-[I probably missed a ton of other stuff I could be doing in game...]
-and making sure to attend to silly things like relationships, nutrition, and personal hygiene.

If this is the glacial pace of new content coming out, all I can say is

"You get to drink from THE FIRE HOSE!"


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I'm also worried that Going Rogue is going to be released over the next year and a half or longer... I feel that when they sold the Incarnate system as part of Going Rogue that there was an implicit agreement that it would be available when that was released.

While I can understand it not being ready on launch (nothing is ever ready on time with MMOs), I really dislike the idea of getting 1/2 a slot per issue, when issue seem to take .5-5 months. I mean right now we're at issue 19, with 10 slots it could take years for the Incarnate system to be fleshed out at this rate.

I'm a bit worried that the content they have lined up is going to get progressively harder to challenge Incarnate players without being a roadblock. I also worry that they're afraid putting too many repetitive tasks into the game all at once (such as grinding for components for 10 slots) would overwhelm players.

I would be more than happy with just unlocking everything off the bat and letting players pace themselves how they like. Right now it feels like they're both afraid to release gatekeeper content which is simply unbeatable without powering up the incarnate stuff, and also that they're worried releasing too much grindy Incarnate progression at once will make players feel overwhelmed by the time sink nature of it.


 

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Well I thought about it, and they won't necessarily have to do the same amount per issue, and it is entirely possible that one issue may contain more than one slot (the alpha seems pretty strong IMO, so 2 weaker slots could theoretically be released at once). And as mentioned, could the remainder of alpha be released on a non issue patch update?


 

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Who says that it will be with I20?
From what War Witch said, it seemed they were hoping to dole out the Incarnate stuff from now onward at regualr intervals, to stop the 'Content dump - Huge gap' syndrome of the past.
Which would be ideal, I have to say, and much more advisable.


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-respeccing toons
Probably the point many are spending their 'busy-work' time on(the other stuff is primarily just playing the game). Seriously, they need to fix that respec system >_>


 

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I'm also worried that Going Rogue is going to be released over the next year and a half or longer... I feel that when they sold the Incarnate system as part of Going Rogue that there was an implicit agreement that it would be available when that was released.
Sorry but you're wrong. At best, Going Rogue was meant to include a preview of the Incarnate System; everything that was meant to be included got pushed back to I19, along with actual stuff to do with the Alpha Slot (Apex and Tin Mage) since those wouldn't have been released with Going Rogue. (No, it wasn't pushed back because it "wasn't ready". It was part of I18 Closed Beta. Aside from how you earn shards, the slot itself is unchanged from that time.)

So even if you assume that Going Rogue's release was somehow "incomplete" because they pushed something back in order to make it more fun, I19 has "completed" Going Rogue. The Incarnate System was always going to be released over time.


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Who says that it will be with I20?
TheOcho, right after i19 went to open beta.


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Who says that it will be with I20?
From what War Witch said, it seemed they were hoping to dole out the Incarnate stuff from now onward at regualr intervals, to stop the 'Content dump - Huge gap' syndrome of the past.
Which would be ideal, I have to say, and much more advisable.
This is all I'm hoping for, but I got the fire hose turned on me for saying it.


 

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Sorry but you're wrong. At best, Going Rogue was meant to include a preview...
Sure, but that's not what they advertised. When you go to the Going Rogue website they advertise the Incarnate system as part of the expansion. It says that all but one of the slots haven't been unlocked yet, but there's absolutely no implication that it's meant to be a 1-2 year long process.

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of the Incarnate System; everything that was meant to be included got pushed back to I19, along with actual stuff to do with the Alpha Slot (Apex and Tin Mage) since those wouldn't have been released with Going Rogue. (No, it wasn't pushed back because it "wasn't ready". It was part of I18 Closed Beta. Aside from how you earn shards, the slot itself is unchanged from that time.)

So even if you assume that Going Rogue's release was somehow "incomplete" because they pushed something back in order to make it more fun, I19 has "completed" Going Rogue.
Define "going rogue" then, because it seems like what you're saying is that Praetoria, alignment swaps/missions, and DP/Demon Summoning are the entire sum of it. Not that that's terrible, but those aren't such major things that I think they merited the cash infusion an expansion provides.

It just seems to me that the Incarnate system is probably near complete for the most part and they're just turning turning the faucet to let it trickle out over the next two years. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's not done, but regardless I feel like the content infusion for going rogue isn't that much greater than the normal issue content, not so much so that I'd call it an expansion.


*edit* After looking around, a decent amount, I don't see the Incarnate system mentioned on the game box or online stores as part of the expansion. I think it's a bit confusing then that it's listed on the Going Rogue site instead of the normal CoH page, as it makes it seem like part of the ad campaign for the sale of the expansion.


 

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So ... Tired... of... the... same... old... complaints.

Are you done with all the content? When you go to a buffet, do you get 52 plates of food, just so you can prove you CAN? No one who does anything beside this game in their real life should be complaining that there isn't enough new stuff to do.

That's just my opinion. I think this is the best entertainment value I can get for my entertainment dollar. YMMV. GLHF.


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*edit* After looking around, a decent amount, I don't see the Incarnate system mentioned on the game box or online stores as part of the expansion. I think it's a bit confusing then that it's listed on the Going Rogue site instead of the normal CoH page, as it makes it seem like part of the ad campaign for the sale of the expansion.
GR is required to participate in the Incarnate system.


 

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Sure, but that's not what they advertised. When you go to the Going Rogue website they advertise the Incarnate system as part of the expansion. It says that all but one of the slots haven't been unlocked yet, but there's absolutely no implication that it's meant to be a 1-2 year long process.
They never said that we were going to get everything all at once either.

If they DO drop it on us all at once, you're going to see a monstrous gap between this and the next issue. It is not only possible, but highly likely that at this point they don't have more than the next couple slots ready to go.

They can do it one of two ways: Give us a piece at a time over the next couple years, or make us wait for the next couple years and drop the whole thing on us at once.

The more stuff they add to an issue, the longer the beta testing process will be by sheer necessity. Even if the entire Incarnate system was in beta already it would STILL be a year or more before it's ready to be released.

It makes more sense to do things in blocks that are manageable by the staff that are doing them, rather than force them to work on everything simultaneously. The more stuff the Paragon Studios staff has to work on at once, the more bugs are going to make it to the live servers simply because they got overwhelmed and overlooked things.

So, I'm guessing we will see small pieces of it released between issues, and larger chunks of it coinciding with issue releases.


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I'm guessing that the main misconception is: "Hey, the incarnate system is right there, all they need to do is add some small stuff which shouldn't take them that long"

It's a misconception because, well, you have no idea what else they're planning to add along that incarnate tree. They could give us more TF's, new powersets, new GR zones, more events, and heck they might even decide to spend some money on advertising(which they should, the game is in a great state at the moment).

I wouldn't worry.


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Define "going rogue" then, because it seems like what you're saying is that Praetoria, alignment swaps/missions, and DP/Demon Summoning are the entire sum of it.
Yes. And it's really not that much less content than City of Villains released with, however it is a little less, which is why it costs less than CoV, and isn't a standalone game.

As for them "advertising" the Incarnate System are being part of Going Rogue, this claim is at the very least inaccurate. It's included on the GR website because, as others have said, Going Rogue is required to take advantage of it. In that sense you could certainly argue that it's a part of Going Rogue, but no more than Grandville was a part of the City of Villains expand-alone release.


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