No Joker footage in "The Dark Knight Rises"
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Posted on: 2010-12-03 10:54 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
I would however like to see that footage some other way.
Good call. Put it on the inevitable "Collector's Edition" of the Blu-Ray trilogy. To do anything else would be a bit tasteless.
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And no Two Face also . This will be epic fo sho . Is it 2012 yet ?
I guess I'll be the dissenting opinion here and say that I don't see anything wrong with including the footage in the new movie. It's not like people aren't going to see the movie otherwise, or that they are doing it to draw in a bunch of people who wouldn't otherwise see the movie.
It would be tasteless if they released a "special edition" of the movies to theaters with 5 minutes of extra Joker footage just to make a buck, but to include it as a footnote to a great character and a great performance? I'd be OK with that. Is it tasteless or a cheap stunt to posthumously publish an author's unfinish manuscript, or release songs a musician had recorded before he died?
If handled properly, I wouldn't have any problem with them including the footage, but it won't make me want to see the movie any less if they don't.
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Those are some good points you make there, o robotic rodent. But I agree with Marcian. Put them as extras on a DVD. |
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I guess I'll be the dissenting opinion here and say that I don't see anything wrong with including the footage in the new movie. It's not like people aren't going to see the movie otherwise, or that they are doing it to draw in a bunch of people who wouldn't otherwise see the movie.
It would be tasteless if they released a "special edition" of the movies to theaters with 5 minutes of extra Joker footage just to make a buck, but to include it as a footnote to a great character and a great performance? I'd be OK with that. Is it tasteless or a cheap stunt to posthumously publish an author's unfinish manuscript, or release songs a musician had recorded before he died? If handled properly, I wouldn't have any problem with them including the footage, but it won't make me want to see the movie any less if they don't. |
I'm reminded of HBO's "The Sopranos". The actress that played Tony's mother died between seasons, and they did a "scene" with Tony talking to her in the next season. They used old footage of the mother from previous seasons and cut back and forth from that to new footage of Tony, to make it look they were having a conversation. It was poorly done, choppy at best, and should have never been included IMHO. I fear that any attempt to do this with any Joker footage would produce similar results.
I add a vote for I'd love to see it just to see what Heath had done because his Joker was so much fun for me but I would not want it in the movie unless it really fits perfectly which I cannot imagine it would.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I'll vote for the "no Ledger footage in the next movie" preference. Just let it cool off for a while.
Sooner or later someone, somewhere will want to do another Batman movie with the Joker and whenever that happens, even if it's 20 years from now, they will compare the new guy to Ledger (and Nicholson and so on) regardless. I just figure there's no point in rushing into that right now. At least let Ledger's grave get respectfully cold before you start that circus up again.
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I think thats different from what they would do with a movie. That sounds as crazy as if they had tried ot keep 8 simple rules going with rehashed dad footage.|
Originally Posted by sleestack
Those are some good points you make there, o robotic rodent. But I agree with Marcian. Put them as extras on a DVD.
I'm reminded of HBO's "The Sopranos". The actress that played Tony's mother died between seasons, and they did a "scene" with Tony talking to her in the next season. They used old footage of the mother from previous seasons and cut back and forth from that to new footage of Tony, to make it look they were having a conversation. It was poorly done, choppy at best, and should have never been included IMHO. I fear that any attempt to do this with any Joker footage would produce similar results. |
I think if there were some generic joker scenes from the prison bit, stuff that could be viewed out of context from the last one, without looking like a soddy flashback could have worked.
I certainly wouldn't see it as attempting to cash in on Heath's passing, but more of a nod to a brilliant actor, very respectful in my opinion to use his work if it could be fit into the movie.
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No opinion on it either way, but the thought occurs to me...
What makes you think Ledger wouldn't have wanted that footage shown in the new Batman movie?
I hear a lot of "Stepping on his grave" when everything in the past makes me think "He would of wanted it"
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Reminds me of how they finished Game of Death after Bruce Lee's untimely "accidental death" using a stunt double and cutting the footage back and forth and so on. Luckily the combat scenes and much of the movie had already been finished before Bruce perished, but still it was glaringly obvious and not well done. |
Originally Posted by sleestack
Those are some good points you make there, o robotic rodent. But I agree with Marcian. Put them as extras on a DVD.
I'm reminded of HBO's "The Sopranos". The actress that played Tony's mother died between seasons, and they did a "scene" with Tony talking to her in the next season. They used old footage of the mother from previous seasons and cut back and forth from that to new footage of Tony, to make it look they were having a conversation. It was poorly done, choppy at best, and should have never been included IMHO. I fear that any attempt to do this with any Joker footage would produce similar results. |
Also with the Crow the movie was 99% finished when Brandon met his accident and some changes were made, such as the scene with him appearing in the apartment to comfort the girl and we only see him from behind or in shadow thus concealing the fact that it was a stunt double for the late Brandon. That was fine.
To incorporate unused Joker footage into the movie would seem pointless unless the Joker somehow unleashed the new villain on Gotham and even then we could get by without footage of the Joker.
Also, remember Ed Wood's idea of using unused footage of Bela Lugosi for Plan 9 from Outer Space? I think we all know how well that worked out
Just save all unused footage of Heath as the Joker for a DVD extra and leave it at that.
I'm in the 'no Ledger' camp simply because I still hated his performance, though the script was probably more to blame for how it came about than Ledger himself.
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And the Heathsploitation genre is killed before it even began...
Seriously though, I don't particularly want to see it because there's very little they can do with it. They can't exactly make whole other film about the Joker. Plus the character was apprehended at the end of Dark Knight unlike Scarecrow (who escaped in Batman Begins), so there's even less point of including a scene with him in the next one.
I say, "no" - but mainly as part of a broader, "no pointless cameos" stance.
Chris Nolan hands in the script today to the Studio for 'The Dark Knight Rises' - or as he has said "He is in big trouble!".
What are they gonna do?, fire him?
It's not as if they've never used cut footage of dead actors in movie sequels before, right?
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Thats a great clip NinjaPirate, I'd forgotton all about the great work Rhythm & Hues pioneered with that. Theres a slightly better quality clip here where you can read the subtitles as they come up explaining the process.
But yeah... as clever as this is (as the saying goes), Just because you can do something - doesn't necessarily mean you should.
Jeff bridges has already been quoted as saying this technology is great because it means he can continue to act without putting any effort in other than giving his consent and reaping in the royalties. Although personally I think the youthful Jeff in Tron:Legacy is shockingly bad cgi and jars with the scene in the real world settings in the clips i've seen.
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So I didn't even know about this, but there was a rumor going around that Nolan was going to include some unused Joker footage from "The Dark Knight" in the upcoming Batman flick, "The Dark Knight Rises". In a recent interview Nolan put those rumors to rest, saying that any remaining footage of Heath Ledger as the Joker will not be in the new Batman movie.
All I have to say is, GOOD! It would have been a cheap stunt rightly viewed as trying to profit off Ledger's untimely demise. If I had heard this rumor before seeing this article, I would have dismissed it as patently false. Nolan seems way too smart to do something like this.