Union, New Open RP OOC Discussion


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Is that where determined to not look inferior to Chille, the US stages its own trapped miners crisis?
Haha!

Proving once and for all that the US can shaft their workers far better than any other country.

*Drum snares*

I kid, I kid.


 

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Haha!

Proving once and for all that the US can shaft their workers far better than any other country.

*Drum snares*

I kid, I kid.
That (dubious) honour belongs to the UK, methinks


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Of course, that's....because...
...
*Head asplodes*

Damnit, Birdy!
My work here is done.

Ravenswing is out of here. Peace!


Disclaimer: The above may be humerous, or at least may be an attempt at humour. Try reading it that way.
Posts are OOC unless noted to be IC, or in an IC thread.

 

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I can totally see it as a covert military ops kind of deal, heck that was one of the things I suggested. Changing the kids to 'Orphaned/Kids stolen off the streets' deal since...well it is a time honored tradition amongst villains to use them as test subjects for all kinds of experimentation.

I just honestly can't see this as something one crooked politician would try to pass as a law. That just seems a beyond stupid thing to do, it would kill their career prospects quicker than their life expectancy from dumping them infront of Lusca.

Plus as Techbot said, the plot is there for the players to enjoy and so far the reaction from both GGOOC channel and the Union RPers channel to this idea of a plot in general has been 'not touching it with a 10 foot barge pole' the only semi-positive response this has gotten is from a Non-Union player (as in, doesn't play on Union, not we're all part of a Union and he isn't).

You've got to remember, unlike the US RP side on the forums, Union is a shared RP Universe so something like this would involve pretty much everyone from the rookie street heroes right up until the heavy hitters. Heck I can picture even someone like The Corporation getting involved after all Mercs need good publicity too (plus as a way to show heroes 'how it is done').

The big but in this is...well...so far nobody wants to be involved.

Feel free to try to run it but don't be surprised if it doesn't get much attention.


 

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Beyond the kids themsevles though, the actual plot IS silly. There's just absolutely no way whatsoever that such a "law" permitting experimentation on private citizens, against their will (let alone kids), would ever make it past the initial proposition. The proposer would be likely to end up on the wrong end of a therapist for even suggesting it!
You are only assuming this. Can you prove your words? I can prove the plot is not silly, and you are wrong assuming otherwise.

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As someone who's currently working on multiple projects of their own and studying animations, I know exactly what its like to aim for perfection. But I also know that, if the audience doesnt care squat about it? Your outta business. End of.
As someone who's among the top-ten best paid Visual Designers of Finland, as someone who's been part-time teacher of animation in School of Art and Design, I can tell you I am not out of business. You should be grateful for my advice to you. Flipping out becouse of negative feedback will not help you in your career.

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For someone who's researched this thoroughly, you haven't really looked much at how a law is made.
You are only assuming this. Can you prove your words? I can prove your assumption is wrong.

The problem is most of you people in this thread jump into conclusions, and treat their assumptions as factual information. And demand me to make changes into a plot they don't know much about.


 

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You should be grateful for my advice to you. Flipping out becouse of negative feedback will not help you in your career.
Pot, meet kettle.

And no, I won't be thankful for someone taling down to me and being patronising, thank you all the same.


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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You are only assuming this. Can you prove your words? I can prove the plot is not silly, and you are wrong assuming otherwise.
Please provide this proof that the US government have produced a bill in the 21st Century that will allow the US government to kidnap children and perform secret experiments upon them, then.

Until said proof is provided, I think most of us will continue to believe that you're wrong.


The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise. ; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*

 

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As someone who's among the top-ten best paid Visual Designers of Finland, as someone who's been part-time teacher of animation in School of Art and Design, I can tell you I am not out of business. You should be grateful for my advice to you. Flipping out becouse of negative feedback will not help you in your career.
I know how you mean man. I often tell people my knowledge of Vintage Car Mechanics makes me a perfect GM, but they're doubtful. "That's ridiculous" they'll say "That's not even relevant to the discussion. Are you high?"

I am of course very high, but that shouldn't make my ideas any less brilliant.


 

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You are only assuming this. Can you prove your words? I can prove the plot is not silly, and you are wrong assuming otherwise.
Subjective. To YOU it's not silly. To absolutely EVERYONE else, it's really really silly.

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As someone who's among the top-ten best paid Visual Designers of Finland, as someone who's been part-time teacher of animation in School of Art and Design, I can tell you I am not out of business. You should be grateful for my advice to you. Flipping out becouse of negative feedback will not help you in your career.
Oh I *am* sorry. I just didn't realise we were speaking to someone of such awesome qualifications. How poor of me, to doubt someone of such grand intelligence, such magnificent looks, such outstanding personality, such stupendous strength of moral fibre.


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You are only assuming this. Can you prove your words? I can prove your assumption is wrong.
Of course you can, oh great and amazing Jaijot! Why, you're so maginificent, that we don't even need to see your proof! We will, of course, completely take your word for it. I will instantly go and flagellate myself for even doubting your greatness for the smallest unit of time, Planck.

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The problem is most of you people in this thread jump into conclusions, and treat their assumptions as factual information. And demand me to make changes into a plot they don't know much about.
You must not change your plot, oh great one! You must present it to us in all of its magnificent glory, so that we can bask in its greatness and truly learn what it is to be such a grand Games Master. I'm sure we'll all be so ashamed by our crass behaviour, that we won't dare to show our faces in the thread and sully your great creation!

*bows and scrapes as he backs out of the room, then jumps into a woodchipper to atone for his sins against the great Jaijot"


@FloatingFatMan

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Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

 

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If I can make a suggestion;

Jaijot, you clearly have some very defined ideas that you are unable/unwilling to modify or explain for various reasons. In my experience in both p'n'p and online rp the GM's maxim of "No plot survives contact with the players" really is true. I have been involved in many plots which have had the GMs practically pulling their hair out because the players have gone off on some tangent, or been far too lucky for his plan to actually work.

Perhaps you would find it better to present your plot as a piece of fiction rather than rp which you wouldn't be able to control to the appropriate level. That way you could put your plot across in exactly the way you want, without having to worry about it being derailed by others.


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Please provide this proof that the US government have produced a bill in the 21st Century that will allow the US government to kidnap children and perform secret experiments upon them, then.
Why should I do that? I don't know much about law-making process in United States of America.

If you look at the original post I started this thread, you can see I did not mention United States of America anywhere in the post.

Good thing about forum roleplay is that events of it can take place anywhere in the world. You can take some heroes of Paragon City away from their home-turf. That way it also keeps overall Status Quo of Paragon City, Rhode Island and the whole United States of America almost intact, without God-Modding the world the majority of players keep playing in.

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Subjective. To YOU it's not silly. To absolutely EVERYONE else, it's really really silly.
You are wrong. You are very wrong. In here, there's a lot of people who think it's not silly at all.


 

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I'm a perfectionist. I have multiple awards in web designing, screenwriting and roleplaying game designing. In all the fields of my interest, I create masterpieces. This is mostly because I do, whatever it is I do, I always do it properly. I do background checks, I research and I perfect whatever I do, before giving it to audience.
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Why should I do that? I don't know much about law-making process in United States of America.

If you look at the original post I started this thread, you can see I did not mention United States of America anywhere in the post.
Hmmm, I sure do love that smell of hypocrisy.


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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Y'know it might have been usful to anyone who wanted to get involved to know that the plot wasn't taking place in the US, as I think nigh on all of our characters are based there, setting it elsewhere is quite a big important thing that you really should have mentioned before.

This is because it can change which characters people can use for it, that is of course if you were going to set it outside the US from the start.

You can't exactly have a go at people for making assumptions about basic details you've neglected to mention, here's an example.

"Alright you're in a house, it's quite stuffy and warm"

"Yikes in that case I open a window"

"Aaaand now you're dead due to explosive decompression ebcause you were in a house on the moon"


 

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Techbot, Jaijot's contention is that this plotline is not to take place in the USA, but somewhere else in the world (presumably a country where English is not the first language, since all of the countries I can think of where it is the first language would suffer basically the same problem as the USA).

As such, the intention is to remove a number of superheroes from the Unionverse Paragon City to undertake vigilante action against members of the government of a country where the heroes probably don't speak the language, and have had to rely on a translation of the original radio interview to even know why they're going there.

Plot hook is non-existent for me. My characters are vested in Paragon City, and trust the heroes of other countries to look out for their own.


The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise. ; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*

 

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Techbot, Jaijot's contention is that this plotline is not to take place in the USA, but somewhere else in the world (presumably a country where English is not the first language, since all of the countries I can think of where it is the first language would suffer basically the same problem as the USA).
Then, as Omy mentioned, he should have mentioned this rather than lambasting everyone with type-based arrogance.

I have no interest in the plot, mostly due to a certainty it will be no fun for me or my characters.
And I have yet to see these 'lots of people who agree' either.


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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Why should I do that? I don't know much about law-making process in United States of America.

If you look at the original post I started this thread, you can see I did not mention United States of America anywhere in the post.
So, it's not even IN America? So why the hell should any of our chars even care? We're in Paragon City, in America. Setting your plot in another country makes even LESS sense than senior government officials trying to pass such a law...

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You are wrong. You are very wrong. In here, there's a lot of people who think it's not silly at all.
Name two. Hell... Name ONE even...


@FloatingFatMan

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You can't exactly have a go at people for making assumptions about basic details you've neglected to mention, here's an example.

"Alright you're in a house, it's quite stuffy and warm"

"Yikes in that case I open a window"

"Aaaand now you're dead due to explosive decompression ebcause you were in a house on the moon"
In RP situation you described before, GM deliberately provokes reaction from a player.

In this thread I started, I asked two questions:

Anyone interested taking part in this kind of RP thread?
And should I prepare InGame NPC for InGame interaction?


I did not initiate speculation of how possible or impossible RP plot I described was. It was not a subject I expected, and I didn't initiate it. Looking back the thread I can see it was you who dragged the subject in there.

Next time, take responsibility of your own actions. Don't put blame onto somebody else.

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Name two. Hell... Name ONE even...
I can name 25794 who think it's not silly at all.

Log on into Facebook and ask anyone of them, how "silly" they think it is to plan to give goverment right to use children for medicine testing without telling anything to their parents.

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We're talking protests, riots...heck possibly even ARMED riots
Matti Vanhanen's second cabinet presented draft of the law 2nd november 2009.
Draft went into process 10th september 2010.
Now it's november 2010.
I still don't see any protests, riots. And not any armed riots.

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The proposer would be likely to end up on the wrong end of a therapist for even suggesting it!
Wrong.
The ministers who signed the draft are still in the goverment.

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Gideon, telling it how it is since 2005.
Gideon, telling how he assumes it is since 2005.


 

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Originally Posted by Jaijot View Post
In RP situation you described before, GM deliberately provokes reaction from a player.
You are not a GM. You're a player.

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[In this thread I started, I asked two questions:

Anyone interested taking part in this kind of RP thread?
And should I prepare InGame NPC for InGame interaction?


I did not initiate speculation of how possible or impossible RP plot I described was. It was not a subject I expected, and I didn't initiate it. Looking back the thread I can see it was you who dragged the subject in there.
To answer those questions, we needed more information than we were given. We now have it. It took a while, you'll notice.

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I can name 25794 who think it's not silly at all.

Log on into Facebook and ask anyone of them, how "silly" they think it is to plan to give goverment right to use children for medicine testing without telling anything to their parents.
The question was to find someone on these forums who plays in the Unionverse. Don't twist questions around to mean what you want them to mean.


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Matti Vanhanen's second cabinet presented draft of the law 2nd november 2009.
Draft went into process 10th september 2010.
Now it's november 2010.
I still don't see any protests, riots. And not any armed riots.



Wrong.
The ministers who signed the draft are still in the goverment.
Sorry, that facebook page means nothing to me, because I can only read English and a little bit of French. For all I know that facebook page is for people who like injecting cheese.

Poor argument is poor.

Oh, and if you have a political issue with some legislation that is occurring somewhere in the world and wish to increase awareness of it, I would suggest that you do so in an appropriate place.

The forum for an MMO based in the USA is not an appropriate place.

We come here for fun. To enjoy ourselves. Escape from the real world a little. An attempt to force real-world political strife down our throats (which, by the way, is what it feels like you're trying to do) contradicts that. You'll notice that we're rather protective of our fun. Which is why there have been so many objections to your "plot".


The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise. ; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*

 

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I can name 25794 who think it's not silly at all.

Log on into Facebook and ask anyone of them, how "silly" they think it is to plan to give goverment right to use children for medicine testing without telling anything to their parents.
Sorry, I don't read gibberish, and quite frankly I couldn't give a flying monkey's rectum about your political axe to grind. This is not the real world here, this is the Paragon verse; where superheroes are an everyday occurance and any attempt at such a thing would be stopped by one of them immediately.

Leave your RL politics where they belong, in RL.


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Matti Vanhanen's second cabinet presented draft of the law 2nd november 2009.
Draft went into process 10th september 2010.
Now it's november 2010.
I still don't see any protests, riots. And not any armed riots.
Don't care. As above, we're not in the real world. We're in Paragon City, in the USA. We play by rules set down by the game devs, and where no guidance is given, we work to AMERICAN law.


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Wrong.
The ministers who signed the draft are still in the goverment.
Irrelevant.


@FloatingFatMan

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

 

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In RP situation you described before, GM deliberately provokes reaction from a player.

In this thread I started, I asked two questions:

Anyone interested taking part in this kind of RP thread?
And should I prepare InGame NPC for InGame interaction?

I did not initiate speculation of how possible or impossible RP plot I described was. It was not a subject I expected, and I didn't initiate it. Looking back the thread I can see it was you who dragged the subject in there.

Next time, take responsibility of your own actions. Don't put blame onto somebody else.
See the thing is, if you want people to play in your plot you kinda need to give us details, so we know what characters we can and can not use for this plot. By not giving us these details of course we're going to jump to certian base assumptions.

Though this raises a very valid question, if your plot is not set in the US, then how were you going to pull off anything in game related to it anyway? Doesn't that kind of invalidate your latter question?

As to your real world political point, you'll notice the rest of us were refering to either the US or UK in our posts (Which is where my example came from!).

Now I'm sorry for not being able to keep up with the politics of a country who's language I can't even speak, but I have a hard enough time just keeping up with the politics of the english speaking world at times.

I'm adult enough to apologise about dragging and argument here, but I still feel the points raised by several people here are rather important, as anyone who's run a plot can tell you, you have to be sure it makes sense in the context of the world it's being run in and give the players enough details so they know if they want to join in and with what characters, heck in doing so many players can come to you with neat little sideplot ideas involving furthering thier own characters and plots at the same time!

And yes all of this should be in the collecting interest thread, as it's impossible to colelct interest without knowing what we're supposed to be interested in.